Player A v Player B (and General Player) Discussions

[Termin8er789]

I guess it depends on how your team looks and if you think you can last the rest of the season with only two trades. Can you use Shiel as an upgrade instead on a direct swap?

I have 202k left in the bank which is going into my Ellis -> Carrazzo trade this week. I don't really have any cash leftover to upgrade Shiel, but my team will be completed anyways so don't really need another upgrade.

 

[Termin8er789]

It would seem a bit of a "luxury" trade to me. If Croz was playing this week, and you avoided the FWD donut, would you get Sylvia?
If the answer is "no", then you are trading in Sylvia to cover a 40-60 point donut.
With your DEF having: Broughton, Lake, Ellis, S Shaw and Darley, long term you might be better upgrading there. Sylvia will give you flexibility, but will probably spend most weeks on the bench for you. A DEF upgrade will play every week (hopefully)
Good luck

Due to the fact that Buddy, Riewoldt and Chappy were all named (hope they aren't late withdrawals) I will probably save the trade and just keep Shiel for the remainder of the year. Hopefully lucks falls my way and none of my mids miss the next 3-4 matches (if they do hopefully Gibson plays to provide cover). I think at this point of the season trades are more precious than ever before. At worst if Buddy is a late withdrawal I'll just cop the donut and take the extra trade. I know, it's short term pain for long term gain.

 

[IDIG]

Hi guys, what do you think of Ablett vs Thompson? I'm actually leaning towards Thompson, mainly due to the Crows' easy run home...

Brave, very brave

 

[Zim^zuM]

To get rid of Adams or Pfieffer for Goodes?

 

[feralmong]

To get rid of Adams or Pfieffer for Goodes?

I reckon Adams may play more, except maybe a weeks rest. Port are weird with kids. If he gets dropped you may not see him this year again.

I'm considering Porps or Smedts to Goodes. Have the cash to do either. Goodes BE is low now. He'll go up in price next week.

 

[feralmong]

Double post. My bad.

 

[Rowsus]

Not sure why everyone is so quickly falling in love with Chris Yarran?
2 good scores do not promise riches to come.
Let's compare Yarran and S Shaw
Yarran ave 64.7, S Shaw ave 69.2.
Let's put their scores into 5 groups: 0-50, 51-65, 66-80, 81-95, 96+
Yarran: 4 / 2 / 1 / 0 / 3
Shaw: 1 / 1 / 3 / 0 / 1
Yarran: 60% of scores under 65, 30% of scores over 96
Shaw: 33% of scores under 65, 16% of scores over 96

Most people with Shaw don't seriously consider him for D7, as they shouldn't . I'm just amazed they consider Yarran a D7. There really isn't much between them, except to say Yarran might be a little more likely to produce a 96+ in the next 8 weeks. Shaw has a much easier draw and costs less.
Neither are D7!

 

[Damoz]

I personally, would rather have consistency, and S. Shaw is much more consistent. I don't have any Plans to get Yarran, just never liked him from the Start of his debut.

Thanks for the Analysis Rowsus. This may get a few people thinking about what they want to do now, if it's really worth getting Yarran or not.

 

[Goodie's Guns]

Good analysis Rowsus, I'm with you and Damoz and not sure why people are considering him as D7. Think people should be looking to upgrade and not sideways trade cash cows which is pretty much what they are doing if the bring in Yarran.

 

[Damoz]

Exactly right. Its not worth having yarran going into finals especially with a majority of people on limited trades at this point. Can't afford to be guessing what yarran will be getting

 

[blue dreamer]

We are guessing no matter who you choose, Yarran is a number 6 draft pick and clearly in his teams best 22, his low scores are from playing through an injury and because of this being sub affected. Right now I am happy to have traded him in last round (for Bugg) as this gave me the cash to upgrade to Carrazzo.

 

[Damoz]

Well its similar to the Sylvia scenario. Both Sylvia and Yarran should only be used as Emergencies. You don't want injured players getting more injured costing you more Trades.

As I said before, I'd rather have consistency, knowing roughly what they will get. Not guessing if its a 50 or 100.

Completely your choice. But I don't want Yarran going into SC Finals, injury prone and unpredictable scoring.

 

[Grant]

Not sure why everyone is so quickly falling in love with Chris Yarran?
2 good scores do not promise riches to come.
Let's compare Yarran and S Shaw
Yarran ave 64.7, S Shaw ave 69.2.
Let's put their scores into 5 groups: 0-50, 51-65, 66-80, 81-95, 96+
Yarran: 4 / 2 / 1 / 0 / 3
Shaw: 1 / 1 / 3 / 0 / 1
Yarran: 60% of scores under 65, 30% of scores over 96
Shaw: 33% of scores under 65, 16% of scores over 96

Most people with Shaw don't seriously consider him for D7, as they shouldn't . I'm just amazed they consider Yarran a D7. There really isn't much between them, except to say Yarran might be a little more likely to produce a 96+ in the next 8 weeks. Shaw has a much easier draw and costs less.
Neither are D7!

I'll declare now that I reckon Yarran will average 90 for the rest of the season, making him a good pick for a defender at his current price, while Sam Shaw will average around the 65 mark.

In the full games Yarran has played in defence he averages a respectable 91.2 (scores 111, 77, 56, 98 and 114) after averaging 87.3 permanently playing defence last season. If you think Sam Shaw will score better then you obviously don't realise the circumstances surrounding Yarran's dire spell.

111 - Excellent game v Richmond.
77 - Extremely undervalued performance v Brisbane (was more like a 100 for mine).
56 - Poor game v Collingwood.
58 - Injured v Essendon. Was hobbling/on bench for 2nd half. Only not subbed out due to Carrazzo injury.
25 - Sub v Adelaide, replacing Murphy in second half of a blowout game.
42 - Started forward with no impact v Port.
36 - Sub v Geelong. Came on about halfway through 3rd quarter for Warnock.
30 - Started forward with no impact v WC.
98 - Okay v Hawthorn playing in defence, although I thought his score was 20pts overvalued.
114 - Best v Collingwood running off the half back line.

You could use the same argument analysing emperical numbers that Ivan Maric would not be a good pick this season. However, I used some basic logic that he would average about 90-95 this season. These moneyball kind of players are the ones that you can gain an advantage over the rest of the competition, hence are most valuable.

 

[BuddyLove]

I agree 100%

Stats and my logic (flawed as it may be) say that Yarran will average 90 for the rest of the season
He averaged 87 last year and that included 1 injury affected game (from memory) & his round 1 shocker!

90 point player for under $300k = bargain!

If you are seriously cashed up, have lots of trades and are only playing for league then there are safer and better D7 options, for the rest of us I think he is a go!

 

[Impromptu]

I'll declare now that I reckon Yarran will average 90 for the rest of the season, making him a good pick for a defender at his current price, while Sam Shaw will average around the 65 mark.

In the full games Yarran has played in defence he averages a respectable 91.2 (scores 111, 77, 56, 98 and 114) after averaging 87.3 permanently playing defence last season. If you think Sam Shaw will score better then you obviously don't realise the circumstances surrounding Yarran's dire spell.

111 - Excellent game v Richmond.
77 - Extremely undervalued performance v Brisbane (was more like a 100 for mine).
56 - Poor game v Collingwood.
58 - Injured v Essendon. Was hobbling/on bench for 2nd half. Only not subbed out due to Carrazzo injury.
25 - Sub v Adelaide, replacing Murphy in second half of a blowout game.
42 - Started forward with no impact v Port.
36 - Sub v Geelong. Came on about halfway through 3rd quarter for Warnock.
30 - Started forward with no impact v WC.
98 - Okay v Hawthorn playing in defence, although I thought his score was 20pts overvalued.
114 - Best v Collingwood running off the half back line.

You could use the same argument analysing emperical numbers that Ivan Maric would not be a good pick this season. However, I used some basic logic that he would average about 90-95 this season. These moneyball kind of players are the ones that you can gain an advantage over the rest of the competition, hence are most valuable.

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I agree 100%

Stats and my logic (flawed as it may be) say that Yarran will average 90 for the rest of the season
He averaged 87 last year and that included 1 injury affected game (from memory) & his round 1 shocker!

90 point player for under $300k = bargain!

If you are seriously cashed up, have lots of trades and are only playing for league then there are safer and better D7 options, for the rest of us I think he is a go!

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Will try to work out this 'Like' function over the weekend.

Note Rowsus and Goodie's Gun's comments, but I have Bugg/S.Shaw/Ellis is my D7 (yes, my team is horrible, but surprisingly still top 10,000) and thus Yarran is tempting.

 

[Damoz]

Sorry Grant, it still doesn't convince me. It's only my opinion, and it's obviously entirely up to you.

I just feel as though, there's not a lot of security, that I'll get the best of him. But this is just my thoughts. I don't believe, that it's worth (If that's the word to use?) getting him, not knowing whether he will be the Sub? Whether or not, he will Score well? Whether or not, he will Score when you need him most? Whether or not he will get injured, costing you another Trade?

Everyone is probably thinking, "Damoz is over-thinking things", but I just feel that, it's simply not worth the Trade, and Price.

Good Luck to those who do decide to get him in this week. Anyone know his BE?

 

[Rowsus]

Good Luck to those who do decide to get him in this week. Anyone know his BE?

His break even is -31.

 

[Impromptu]

Sorry Grant, it still doesn't convince me. It's only my opinion, and it's obviously entirely up to you.

I just feel as though, there's not a lot of security, that I'll get the best of him. But this is just my thoughts. I don't believe, that it's worth (If that's the word to use?) getting him, not knowing whether he will be the Sub? Whether or not, he will Score well? Whether or not, he will Score when you need him most? Whether or not he will get injured, costing you another Trade?

Everyone is probably thinking, "Damoz is over-thinking things", but I just feel that, it's simply not worth the Trade, and Price.

It's a 50-50 decision FOR and AGAINST.

 

[Drew]

Interesting reading on the Yarran thing, don't really know much about him and haven't considered him all year. What would your thoughts be on sideways trading him for Lake? Lake's worth $220k more and is only averaging 84, that cash could be very useful somewhere else...

 

[Damoz]

Interesting reading on the Yarran thing, don't really know much about him and haven't considered him all year. What would your thoughts be on sideways trading him for Lake? Lake's worth $220k more and is only averaging 84, that cash could be very useful somewhere else...

That's another thought I guess. But I've only got 4 Trades left, and not Trading, unless of serious injury. If I had a couple more, I might be then considering it, especially where I could upgrade someone else, such as Dickson to S'Bottom.