BBL|12: Combined SCS Team

[Ironhawk]

I haven't added to this thread to date but thought I would put forward a few things for you all to consider:

• Being a SGR, try and use the fixture (below) to optimise bench loop where appropriate
• Decide on your 4 BATs & 4 BWL's that you're comfortable with fielding straight up, the remainder can be used as loop if fixture allow
• Clarke is a prime candidate to be loop in WKP, keep a trade on hand to potentially trade in a Holt/Handscomb if required
• Connolly provides a loop for BAT or BWL, keep another trade on hand for CGreen if both loops are required
• Lynn, MShort & Labuschagne locks out in the first game so a decision needs to be made on them
• If adopting the above strategy, then only up to 2 trades can be executed for tonight's game as we potentially need to trade in up to 2 donuts if our loops succeed (means using our final boost)

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That should provide a good starting platform to hopefully clarify what's required and/or possible for this round.

Some very sound advice here, I appreciate your contribution, and agree we should work out our players we are looking to loop.

I think a few were looking at trading out Clarke, but he might be worth keeping as a loop option for these next few rounds (assuming he has learned how to run between wickets). We definitely have a few options there - Carey is probably the best WKP loop across the remaining four rounds, but would likely tie up two trades (bringing in a donut keeper too) - not sure it is worth it. Something to consider if we are definitely bringing him in.

It's great to see more and more people chipping in as we go, it's what I had been hoping would happen all along. Definitely welcome (and recommended) for anyone to contribute here.

 

[Ironhawk]

One thing I have meant to flag for a while - if we don’t have a compelling use for it beforehand, I would like to have a boost in hand for the last round:

- It allows us to exit more Scorchers straight after their double/before their bye, which is good, because they’re a strong team with a number of good options

- It obviously allows us to add more Hurricanes in their place for the final round double

- Perhaps more importantly, if we are wanting to have a crack to catch up points (eg if we drop to say 25, and want to chance our arm to get into the top 11 … or maybe if we stay around where we are and want to have a crack at the podium), we have more opportunities to change our side with info heading into (and even during) that final round, and greater ability to create PODs.

If we find several SGR players we really want near term, there’s an argument for getting an extra one in early to make use of them for longer, but absent that or a 120+ type loop score, the final round seems a good one to use the boost on my assessment.

This was my original thoughts too. We'll likely have multiple Scorchers we need to bench/trade after Rd 12 with their final round bye, that extra trade could give us an edge. Meant to mention this a few posts back, thank you for the reminder.

 

[Chumpion]

One thing I have meant to flag for a while - if we don’t have a compelling use for it beforehand, I would like to have a boost in hand for the last round:

- It allows us to exit more Scorchers straight after their double/before their bye, which is good, because they’re a strong team with a number of good options

- It obviously allows us to add more Hurricanes in their place for the final round double

- Perhaps more importantly, if we are wanting to have a crack to catch up points (eg if we drop to say 25, and want to chance our arm to get into the top 11 … or maybe if we stay around where we are and want to have a crack at the podium), we have more opportunities to change our side with info heading into (and even during) that final round, and greater ability to create PODs.

If we find several SGR players we really want near term, there’s an argument for getting an extra one in early to make use of them for longer, but absent that or a 120+ type loop score, the final round seems a good one to use the boost on my assessment.

Yep great call, I think this makes a lot of sense!

 

[Darkie]

Some stats below on BAT vs BWL players, to see if scoring has really shifted or not.

I’ve stripped out anyone I consider to be an all rounder, and Inglis and recently Harper (who have scored a lot from keeping).


Full season (min 5 games played), top 25 players by average:

Jhye Tye Rogers NCN Dorf Dooley McAndrew Thornton Dwarsh Abbott Kelly
vs
Jewell Bancroft Lynn

Ie 11 bowlers vs 3 batsmen over the full season.


Last 5 games (minor filtering based on game count - eg Farooqi excluded), top 25 players by average:


Tye Rogers Sandhu Hatcher Kelly Abbott Dwarsh Bird KRicho McAndrew

Lynn, Jewell, Crawley (3) Bancroft Munro Vince

Ie 10 bowlers vs 6 batsmen over the last 5.

To me the conclusion is that scoring (and perhaps conditions) has shifted to reduce batsmen’s disadvantage, but that bowlers are at least as viable as a selection at this point, all else being equal.

 

[Ironhawk]

Some stats below on BAT vs BWL players, to see if scoring has really shifted or not.

I’ve stripped out anyone I consider to be an all rounder, and Inglis and recently Harper (who have scored a lot from keeping).


Full season (min 5 games played), top 25 players by average:

Jhye Tye Rogers NCN Dorf Dooley McAndrew Thornton Dwarsh Abbott Kelly
vs
Jewell Bancroft Lynn

Ie 11 bowlers vs 3 batsmen over the full season.


Last 5 games (minor filtering based on game count - eg Farooqi excluded), top 25 players by average:


Tye Rogers Sandhu Hatcher Kelly Abbott Dwarsh Bird KRicho

Lynn, Jewell, Crawley (3) Bancroft Munro Vince McAndrew Vince

Ie 9 bowlers vs 8 batsmen over the last 5.

To me the conclusion is that scoring (and perhaps conditions) has shifted to reduce batsmen’s disadvantage, but that bowlers are at least as viable as a selection at this point, all else being equal.

Vince there twice for the last 5 games part, but interesting analysis.

 

[bunlit]

My two cents,

I think the safe plays are to bring Head, Dorff, Holt in, Agar, Wade, Webster out (outs may differ)

loop Clarke, Head/Lynn, Marnus with Bancroft, Ellis, Hardie

Thinking one trade in the first game leaves some flexibility open if loops fire

Think there's plenty of rounds left to maximize DGR with a boost in hand

 

[Ironhawk]

My two cents,

I think the safe plays are to bring Head, Dorff, Holt in, Agar, Wade, Webster out (outs may differ)

loop Clarke, Head/Lynn, Marnus with Bancroft, Ellis, Hardie

Thinking one trade in the first game leaves some flexibility open if loops fire

Think there's plenty of rounds left to maximize DGR with a boost in hand

Agree largely with a lot of this. Think Dorff might fall into that latter comment a bit too though - might be better getting him closer to his double than relying on him through the singles? He does seem to be one of their more reliable bowling options. Think he probably plays out from here after being rested, unless they give him another game off before the finals if their place seems secure (which would likely be during the double). Don't mind it if others like these trades. Definitely don't want to be locking in all 3 trades right now, but need to at least sort out those we make for the first two games.

 

[Darkie]

Vince there twice for the last 5 games part, but interesting analysis.

Thank you - McAndrew was in the wrong spot as well.

It’s now 10 bowlers and 6 batsmen. Still I’m favour of the bowlers, albeit the margin has narrowed from the first 5 or so games.

 

[Darkie]

How confident are we that Head bowls significantly?

The last time he took a T20 wicket was … 2020.

 

[blue dreamer]

Agree largely with a lot of this. Think Dorff might fall into that latter comment a bit too though - might be better getting him closer to his double than relying on him through the singles? He does seem to be one of their more reliable bowling options. Think he probably plays out from here after being rested, unless they give him another game off before the finals if their place seems secure (which would likely be during the double). Don't mind it if others like these trades. Definitely don't want to be locking in all 3 trades right now, but need to at least sort out those we make for the first two games.

Do scorchers even need to rest now given the bye at the end of the season.
Long time lurker, first time poster (to this thread).

 

[Young gun]

How confident are we that Head bowls significantly?

The last time he took a T20 wicket was … 2020.

Only played 3 games since then. He seems to be a better bowler in tests. If he’s captain you’d think he bowls

 

[Ironhawk]

How confident are we that Head bowls significantly?

The last time he took a T20 wicket was … 2020.

Not very. I don't know who the Strikers will go with. He seems in very good form batting in the tests (going over a run a ball), bowling would be a bonus.

Do scorchers even need to rest now given the bye at the end of the season.
Long time lurker, first time poster (to this thread).

I really don't know. Despite having a "bye" in the final round, their final game is on the 22nd, the 6ers final game is the 23rd for example, with all teams finishing by the 25th. It's not a much longer break than many other teams. They probably don't need to rest players, but I expect they probably still will. The more I think on it, Dorff does seem a reasonable pick, but it's not just my decision.

Welcome to the thread, it's still a good point you have raised. Hopefully you've been able to take some things away from this thread for your own team while lurking.

4 hours until the next game - I'm still not sure what we are proposing to do before then!

 

[mike89]

Only played 3 games since then. He seems to be a better bowler in tests. If he’s captain you’d think he bowls

It's the whole Sutherland thing again isn't it? How transferable is that red ball improvement. I guess opportunity is as important or more so.

Personally I'm bringing him in as, in my view, the form batter in the country, and any bowling is just icing. Again, very similar to last year's Marsh.

 

[mike89]

In my view the only straightforward in is Head and the only straightforward out is Webster. Execute that one and buy ourselves a few more hours.

 

[Darkie]

Only played 3 games since then. He seems to be a better bowler in tests. If he’s captain you’d think he bowls

That’s true for BBL. Interestingly he’s played 11 other matches (one for Aus, ten for Sussex) and didn’t take a wicket in those either.

He’s bowled 3+ overs 7 times in 98 matches, and taken 22 wickets from 44 bowling opportunities.

I have no idea how Adelaide plan to use him (is he or Carey captaining?), but if history is a guide, I wouldn’t assume ER points are something we can rely on. His wicket points would average around 2 per game, plus there would be a few dot points.

I’d love to have a sighter on his role, but may not get that opportunity.

I’ll probably still take him anyway - especially if he’s named to open and they are batting first - but there’s a bit more downside to his role than I may have thought previously.

 

[Darkie]

In my view the only straightforward in is Head and the only straightforward out is Webster. Execute that one and buy ourselves a few more hours.

I am happy to proceed with this.

 

[Professor]

Thoughts on fading Matt Short? He's due for a slump. You maximise his cash, bring in your preferred targets, Carey/Head/Warner/Smith/Ussie etc. The dynamic of the Strikers now changes considerably. As mentioned above, is Siddle captain or Head/Carey. Who now opens with Short? Who demands the strike more? I don't see Short getting too many overs especially with Head available to do the same.

This from someone ranked 3185.

 

[Darkie]

Also, we need to make a call on any Heat players before the first lockout.

I think we also ended up with a constrained set of options last round because we elected to make decisions progressively, rather than from the outset. Remaining nimble is good, but it can come at a cost.

 

[mike89]

Thoughts on fading Matt Short? He's due for a slump. You maximise his cash, bring in your preferred targets, Carey/Head/Warner/Smith/Ussie etc. The dynamic of the Strikers now changes considerably. As mentioned above, is Siddle captain or Head/Carey. Who now opens with Short? Who demands the strike more? I don't see Short getting too many overs especially with Head available to do the same.

This from someone ranked 3185.

I like the way you think - my rank ~700 team is probably giving him the E to try and cycle a poor score out.

A team in this position though? No way in hell.

 

[Ironhawk]

In my view the only straightforward in is Head and the only straightforward out is Webster. Execute that one and buy ourselves a few more hours.

Assuming we do this: