Discussion 2023: Rate My Team

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It's Ballsy especially with so many injury risks like Fyfe, Hope and Yeo. But it could be a stroke of genius
Just keep moving the pieces and looking at different options.

Don't think we even need to factor in the likes of Chesser , Dean , Gillbee , Gould , Wagner , Weddle etc etc at this early stage although people are naturally drawn to their cheap starting price to make their onfield side look "stronger" than it actually will be come Round 1.

Not sure both McKenna & Wilmot fit with Kiddy & Rich.

Think their are (possibly) enough $ 170-$225k players that could work.

Never used to like paying over $ 500k for starting defenders now D , D , S , S & S are over $ 600k , that's getting into midfield territory.

If I start Daicos am I committing to my D6 already ?

Based on last year's points he is 11th on aggregate which is a tick , but only 25th on average

95 would see him 16th , 100 gets him up to 10th/11th.

Titch added so Crisp/Pendles probably lose some rotations , just a matter of how many games JDG & Tay Tay miss.

Fly might just let him sit on Titch's hip pocket.

Fly comes across as a smart man , think he got Titch for a specific purpose/reason and will adjust the game plan accordingly.

With the addition of DPP though might need to add the likes of Crisp , Pendles , Short & Whitfield etc into the defender equation.

Obviously we don't know at this stage whether that will happen or not.

But yes Fyfe , Hopper & Yeo do obviously have durability concerns , can they all last 6-10 consecutive games or ideally be upgraded at Bye time.

Enough viable rookies appear we may not even need to start all 3 of Fyfe , Hopper & Yeo in any case.

35 days to go though so way too early to be locking in to many players and structures in any case.

Possibly now with some mid price F options appearing , can we wait on the likes of Rozee and Taranto , their price may not get away from us.
 
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We might look back at Grundy and Marshall and think it was just so obvious.
I just think Grundy is a genuinely hopeless forward, he needs to be a predominant Ruck or he really should just be in the twos IMHO, Goodwin is surely smart enough to realise that and goes Grundy with support from Gawn as the Ruck structure rather than the other way around.
 
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I just think Grundy is a genuinely hopeless forward, he needs to be a predominant Ruck or he really should just be in the twos IMHO, Goodwin is surely smart enough to realise that and goes Grundy with support from Gawn as the Ruck structure rather than the other way around.
I can't see why they would pick up such a high value player for a part time role. As you say he must be predominantly in the ruck.
 
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I just think Grundy is a genuinely hopeless forward, he needs to be a predominant Ruck or he really should just be in the twos IMHO, Goodwin is surely smart enough to realise that and goes Grundy with support from Gawn as the Ruck structure rather than the other way around.
I agree entirely.

I expect Gawn will get FWD status, the question is what level can Gawn score at with about 40% ruck time.

Grundy my issue is two fold, durability is the first, he's become very shaky on this front and scoring in only 60% ruck time given he's pretty much useless everywhere else. I wonder if Melbourne can find him a role when he doesn't ruck.

It's still just a really weird move, if Grundy could play forward I'd get him as an incredible 2nd ruck but he can't or at least has shown zero ability to be remotely competent to date in his career.

I just have no feel how those two can really work, Gawn basically has to ruck a lot less and while he's a much better forward than Grundy he's still not very good and he leaks points rapidly when up there so not sure if he can hit the 110 level in that role.

Grundy the feel isn't much better, he's going to have a ruck share more than ever and he's never been good with a share, does having such a good midfield prop up his ruck numbers a bit and maybe inflate the ratio? He definitely could score 110+ but he could easily score 90s also.

Rucks definitely messing with me, will be watching so many guys closely in preseason.
 
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Man am I relieved to see so many other Yeo at D3 teams, I thought I was losing the plot.
Pre season games will answer alot of these questions for us in terms of what structure we should go with but I just think there should be enough decent defence rookies for it to be our lightest line, let's assume all of Jones,Coffield,McKenna and Ginbey play well in the praccys and are named Round 1 plus Yeo and Bowes are looking good as half backs rotating onto the ball, very quickly you dont want to be missing majority of these guys and going light in defence just about picks itself.

Don't think any other line is screaming out with the same scope of cash generation from rookies/lower end mid pricers right now.
 
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Also think Crozier, Stocker, Buckley, Marchbank, Goater and Cole are worth watching to see if they pop up come round one in that price range.

It looks a pretty strong group. Even if one gets dropped there can often be great value to a donut if you've got a lot of rookies at a position, especially if you've got some kind of DPP coverage to work in (say a Ziebell type).
 
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Also think Crozier, Stocker, Buckley, Marchbank, Goater and Cole are worth watching to see if they pop up come round one in that price range.

It looks a pretty strong group. Even if one gets dropped there can often be great value to a donut if you've got a lot of rookies at a position, especially if you've got some kind of DPP coverage to work in (say a Ziebell type).
Crozier is worth watching but I just don't think hes best 22 and he's a massive sub risk as hes a pretty versatile sort of player, Goater I expect I will pick, not much interest in the rest as don't see them having the capacity to score well enough for the price.
 
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Also think Crozier, Stocker, Buckley, Marchbank, Goater and Cole are worth watching to see if they pop up come round one in that price range.

It looks a pretty strong group. Even if one gets dropped there can often be great value to a donut if you've got a lot of rookies at a position, especially if you've got some kind of DPP coverage to work in (say a Ziebell type).
Does the X vs Y stack up with some of these players.

You swap a def premium (with some question marks) for a mid premium (who have mixed runs) and a decent mid/fwd rookie for sub standard def rookie.

Goater would be fine, Stocker too, if they play which has questions. Same with Weddle per Goodie. Cole history just doesn't support he will make much money and could give poor scores if on field (which at his price you probably want).

Weddle and Stocker play on the Sunday and wet also have sub risk now. I will be happy if Yeo is my D3 rather than D4, not prepared to have a mock team with more aggressive stance than this as it is those last swaps into round 1 which can undo us.
 
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Have 120k in the bank to upgrade a couple 117k rookies to 170k if required.

A few XvY’s at this stage are:
Redman v Daicos. Will watch Redmans role very closely over the preseason. Daicos’s ownership is so big I’m already thinking about bringing him in defensively as we all know this kid is a serious talent.

Not many games early at GMHBA for Stewart and maybe with Williams injured Doch is back down back? Sicily also high on the radar - no need to point out why.

Been set on my mid premos for a bit now. I love Lairds low(ish) ownership & not many teams in his early draw tag. Could punch out a few big ones early.
Another XvY is LDU v Green and even though my north hat is screaming LDU think Green has a clearer role with less midfield competition.

Rucks could go either way. Set on English if he makes it through preseason and will watch Marshall’s role in the preseason. Also want to watch Darcy’s ruck split and could even go Witts to avoid the trouble.

No Taranto or Dunkley in the forwards are the big risk but at this stage happy to go in with Ziebell at F3 with confirmation he’s down back. Could go him down to Fyfe or shuffle to get up to Taranto. Not as bullish on Dunkley in a stacked Brisbane midfield as others. Every chance I’m wrong but happy to bet against at this stage.
Keen for some thoughts 😊
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Have 120k in the bank to upgrade a couple 117k rookies to 170k if required.

A few XvY’s at this stage are:
Redman v Daicos. Will watch Redmans role very closely over the preseason. Daicos’s ownership is so big I’m already thinking about bringing him in defensively as we all know this kid is a serious talent.

Not many games early at GMHBA for Stewart and maybe with Williams injured Doch is back down back? Sicily also high on the radar - no need to point out why.

Been set on my mid premos for a bit now. I love Lairds low(ish) ownership & not many teams in his early draw tag. Could punch out a few big ones early.
Another XvY is LDU v Green and even though my north hat is screaming LDU think Green has a clearer role with less midfield competition.

Rucks could go either way. Set on English if he makes it through preseason and will watch Marshall’s role in the preseason. Also want to watch Darcy’s ruck split and could even go Witts to avoid the trouble.

No Taranto or Dunkley in the forwards are the big risk but at this stage happy to go in with Ziebell at F3 with confirmation he’s down back. Could go him down to Fyfe or shuffle to get up to Taranto. Not as bullish on Dunkley in a stacked Brisbane midfield as others. Every chance I’m wrong but happy to bet against at this stage.
Keen for some thoughts 😊
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Daicos 45% ownership. Dunkley 63% ownership.
 
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Have 120k in the bank to upgrade a couple 117k rookies to 170k if required.

A few XvY’s at this stage are:
Redman v Daicos. Will watch Redmans role very closely over the preseason. Daicos’s ownership is so big I’m already thinking about bringing him in defensively as we all know this kid is a serious talent.

Not many games early at GMHBA for Stewart and maybe with Williams injured Doch is back down back? Sicily also high on the radar - no need to point out why.

Been set on my mid premos for a bit now. I love Lairds low(ish) ownership & not many teams in his early draw tag. Could punch out a few big ones early.
Another XvY is LDU v Green and even though my north hat is screaming LDU think Green has a clearer role with less midfield competition.

Rucks could go either way. Set on English if he makes it through preseason and will watch Marshall’s role in the preseason. Also want to watch Darcy’s ruck split and could even go Witts to avoid the trouble.

No Taranto or Dunkley in the forwards are the big risk but at this stage happy to go in with Ziebell at F3 with confirmation he’s down back. Could go him down to Fyfe or shuffle to get up to Taranto. Not as bullish on Dunkley in a stacked Brisbane midfield as others. Every chance I’m wrong but happy to bet against at this stage.
Keen for some thoughts 😊
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I think Dunkley is a must have, pretty close to first picked in any serious supercoach team.
 
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