Discussion 2023: Rate My Team
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It's definitely different!
If we both head into the season with our current drafts, one of us is probably first and the other is last.
My main concern is too many low end forwards. You've effectively already picked all 6 starting premium forwards with one of Gawn/Grundy almost certainly getting FWD status. I'm not sure I can buy Curnow at 105+ and Jackson basically requires an injury for that level also. Taranto also projects there as more best case than floor.
So you'll be locked out of the DPP changes and anyone else who lifts to that level like Moore, Butters, Rozee, Zorko or Cunnington types who could do it.
I do think there's value in the picks but I find it hard to see those guys all at the level. The DPP changes really do shift the FWD threshold, last year it was quite clearly 102+.
I actually like the Cripps unique pick. The 3 premium defender structure looks very unique, albeit huge risk taking on Yeo right now (definitely a body that can be challenged though) but if the majority is wrong on the defenders you've got a really good point of distinction, probably not the 3 I'd take but I don't have any issue with them either!
Like it, definitely one of those top 50 or 50,000th type teams though
If we both head into the season with our current drafts, one of us is probably first and the other is last.
My main concern is too many low end forwards. You've effectively already picked all 6 starting premium forwards with one of Gawn/Grundy almost certainly getting FWD status. I'm not sure I can buy Curnow at 105+ and Jackson basically requires an injury for that level also. Taranto also projects there as more best case than floor.
So you'll be locked out of the DPP changes and anyone else who lifts to that level like Moore, Butters, Rozee, Zorko or Cunnington types who could do it.
I do think there's value in the picks but I find it hard to see those guys all at the level. The DPP changes really do shift the FWD threshold, last year it was quite clearly 102+.
I actually like the Cripps unique pick. The 3 premium defender structure looks very unique, albeit huge risk taking on Yeo right now (definitely a body that can be challenged though) but if the majority is wrong on the defenders you've got a really good point of distinction, probably not the 3 I'd take but I don't have any issue with them either!
Like it, definitely one of those top 50 or 50,000th type teams though
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Time for a second draft ahead of the real preseason stuff. Figured I'd throw out a pretty pure GnR approach as hadn't tried one previously...
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Defenders
Daicos - Defensive pick that I really like, supreme talent, finished last year strong. Generally when your biggest worry is that they'll get tagged, you know you're on the right path. Getting tagged is the first world problem of "negatives".
Yeo - Until he's hurt, he's in for me.
6 Rookies - Feels like I'm stretching a bit here, definitely felt like the last couple are speculative but there are a few more names and defintiely some 200k options that I can flip to if needed (Humphrey is a luxury spend rookie on mid bench and Allen similar up forward).
Structure - This is my desired look, heck I could definitely just go Yeo at D1 if the rookies look good enough.
Byes - Zero issues, I've only got two "premium" picks, they do share a bye and it's the loaded bye but plenty of options to build around it.
Mids
Laird - Locked for mine, enjoyed having him way too much last year.
Oliver - I will watch preseason, there's definitely a case for Petracca here who I do think can easily score similarly and is cheaper. The "more midfield options" is scary at this price but I'll believe it when I see it.
Neale - Replaces Miller here, I don't see any difference between them but Miller with a preseason injury is all but out for mine. Would need to play both preseason games and look flawless to get back in.
Macrae - Strong watchlist here, needs the right role, I don't want to see any silly business. Lot of alternatives here so not concerned if he's not right, of those options only Bont is more expensive and 5k is immaterial.
Steele - Another who has to confirm this spot but if he looks right in preseason games then I'll go him, too proven for his starting price to bother trying to find breakout guys instead of the obvious bounce back target.
Callaghan - Will watch closely but he's an elite talent who ticks all the SC boxes, reminds me a lot of Bont who was able to break 100 in his second season. Role needs to be as advertised but assuming Greene remains forward, he's an obvious 3rd midfielder and with both Coniglio and Kelly very versatile he could easily slot into a very heavy midfield role. Perryman the wildcard, I've never really rated him but internally they obviously always have so they must see something at training that hasn't translated to AFL as yet, but they invested heavily to get Callaghan and I like him at that price.
Ashcroft - I'd be shocked if I don't start him. Pure on field rookie option for mine, that his role seems even better than I expected only further affirms that.
Phillips - Wait to be confirmed but intra-club was an onfield rookie role, you have to structure around that.
3 Rooks - I don't usually like taking DPP guys here but the pure mid options look awfully thin and I'll fill the bench somehow. Not worried about finding 3, Humphrey I rate but is as much a buffer pick as a genuine pick right now, better to have an extra 60k I can be flexible with.
Structure - Remains my preferred structure, I'm open to Hopper but think Callaghan has similar scoring potential in the right role, happy to spend less if another on field option pops up. Obviously this structure is very easy to change if the back rookies don't appear and I have to pick a Dawson type.
Byes - Balance is really solid, not as nice as it was with Miller and his free bye, but basically 2/0/2/1 for the premiums and leaves lots of potential targets, Callaghan a perfect late bye also if he lasts that long.
Ruck
NicNat - Ready for him to prove me wrong but looks fitter than last couple of years, has proven scoring history and has a vastly improved midfield around him this year and the most role certainty, he'll play as much as he can basically. Ultimately, he's underpriced and, somehow, one of the most durable options and has as much upside as anyone. Yeah, I'm lost here
Marshall - I don't like the durability issues but the ceiling and role are the best value available until Ross throws a curveball at us at least. If he had have kept FWD, he'd be a lock.
Structure - I hate having effectively picked two keepers because there's so much randomness at the position that I could very easily have both picks wrong and then we're into mass ruck trades for the third year in a row. Honestly, just a look at what value allows. Going up to Witts, who is still the safest pick, imo, does require a change somewhere else.
Byes - Zero issues here, different rounds and both share with only a couple of the guys I think are most likely to be the right pick in the case these two are the wrong picks.
Forwards
Dunkley - Automatic lock pick for mine. It's not often that you can argue the #1 carry over pick has 15 points of upside but I think you can here. There's just nowhere near enough reward to take him on.
Coniglio - Will watch but if role is as advertised, he's also 10 points underpriced. Easy pick.
Rozee - Basically a ditto, can easily push the 110 mark with his skill profile, too much value to not start.
Taranto - I don't love picking a F6 target up front but he's great value and I think he's a pretty solid bet to be an F6 level scorer so it's worth the punt. Also a defensive pick if nothing else.
Allen - Definitely not a lock, but with a high risk backline setup, having a guaranteed best 22 guy to field definitely helps.
McLean - If he's fit and named round one he's basically a lock, if his role is as advertised then he's a must start on top of that.
2 Rooks - Very confident these appear, definitely think there could be someone else to replace Allen and free up that cash, not that I really know how to use it anyway.
Structure - Mainly seeing what it looks like without a Fyfe/Ziebell, who basically pair with a Hopper type (or each other) if I do go for them. I actually think both could feasibly match Taranto but I'd say Taranto hits 102 level with about 75% certainty (removing injury) while I'd say I'm at more like 30-40% on the other two, Fyfe also has much more durability issues to throw on top of that. Ultimately I'm not looking to start anyone in the forwards who doesn't have 105 as a likely outcome imo if they're over 300k if I can avoid it. I'm also heavier here than I'd like but I just like Rozee/Taranto more as keeper picks than equivalent options elsewhere and with both having DPP, worst case they'll slot into strong F7/M9 options if there's a lot of crucial DPP changes.
Byes - Round 15 bye is far from ideal, all 3 are DPP though and that's the best bye for MIDs on paper so definitely a solid chance to hide one up there. Round 15 also the easiest bye to plan for and around, so if you're going overloaded it's the one.
Team feels strong on paper to me, obviously defender rookies will make or break it but very confident in Ginbey, McKenna and Constable being playable rookies if they make their sides, so basically need to find one more that's not significantly worse than other positions and 2 to provide cover, I'm not as confident on the latter part. That said, Coffield and a few others definitely could switch with Allen in this team given the amount of FWD rookies on the cards and will probably be the right play once I work out what player it is!
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Defenders
Daicos - Defensive pick that I really like, supreme talent, finished last year strong. Generally when your biggest worry is that they'll get tagged, you know you're on the right path. Getting tagged is the first world problem of "negatives".
Yeo - Until he's hurt, he's in for me.
6 Rookies - Feels like I'm stretching a bit here, definitely felt like the last couple are speculative but there are a few more names and defintiely some 200k options that I can flip to if needed (Humphrey is a luxury spend rookie on mid bench and Allen similar up forward).
Structure - This is my desired look, heck I could definitely just go Yeo at D1 if the rookies look good enough.
Byes - Zero issues, I've only got two "premium" picks, they do share a bye and it's the loaded bye but plenty of options to build around it.
Mids
Laird - Locked for mine, enjoyed having him way too much last year.
Oliver - I will watch preseason, there's definitely a case for Petracca here who I do think can easily score similarly and is cheaper. The "more midfield options" is scary at this price but I'll believe it when I see it.
Neale - Replaces Miller here, I don't see any difference between them but Miller with a preseason injury is all but out for mine. Would need to play both preseason games and look flawless to get back in.
Macrae - Strong watchlist here, needs the right role, I don't want to see any silly business. Lot of alternatives here so not concerned if he's not right, of those options only Bont is more expensive and 5k is immaterial.
Steele - Another who has to confirm this spot but if he looks right in preseason games then I'll go him, too proven for his starting price to bother trying to find breakout guys instead of the obvious bounce back target.
Callaghan - Will watch closely but he's an elite talent who ticks all the SC boxes, reminds me a lot of Bont who was able to break 100 in his second season. Role needs to be as advertised but assuming Greene remains forward, he's an obvious 3rd midfielder and with both Coniglio and Kelly very versatile he could easily slot into a very heavy midfield role. Perryman the wildcard, I've never really rated him but internally they obviously always have so they must see something at training that hasn't translated to AFL as yet, but they invested heavily to get Callaghan and I like him at that price.
Ashcroft - I'd be shocked if I don't start him. Pure on field rookie option for mine, that his role seems even better than I expected only further affirms that.
Phillips - Wait to be confirmed but intra-club was an onfield rookie role, you have to structure around that.
3 Rooks - I don't usually like taking DPP guys here but the pure mid options look awfully thin and I'll fill the bench somehow. Not worried about finding 3, Humphrey I rate but is as much a buffer pick as a genuine pick right now, better to have an extra 60k I can be flexible with.
Structure - Remains my preferred structure, I'm open to Hopper but think Callaghan has similar scoring potential in the right role, happy to spend less if another on field option pops up. Obviously this structure is very easy to change if the back rookies don't appear and I have to pick a Dawson type.
Byes - Balance is really solid, not as nice as it was with Miller and his free bye, but basically 2/0/2/1 for the premiums and leaves lots of potential targets, Callaghan a perfect late bye also if he lasts that long.
Ruck
NicNat - Ready for him to prove me wrong but looks fitter than last couple of years, has proven scoring history and has a vastly improved midfield around him this year and the most role certainty, he'll play as much as he can basically. Ultimately, he's underpriced and, somehow, one of the most durable options and has as much upside as anyone. Yeah, I'm lost here
Marshall - I don't like the durability issues but the ceiling and role are the best value available until Ross throws a curveball at us at least. If he had have kept FWD, he'd be a lock.
Structure - I hate having effectively picked two keepers because there's so much randomness at the position that I could very easily have both picks wrong and then we're into mass ruck trades for the third year in a row. Honestly, just a look at what value allows. Going up to Witts, who is still the safest pick, imo, does require a change somewhere else.
Byes - Zero issues here, different rounds and both share with only a couple of the guys I think are most likely to be the right pick in the case these two are the wrong picks.
Forwards
Dunkley - Automatic lock pick for mine. It's not often that you can argue the #1 carry over pick has 15 points of upside but I think you can here. There's just nowhere near enough reward to take him on.
Coniglio - Will watch but if role is as advertised, he's also 10 points underpriced. Easy pick.
Rozee - Basically a ditto, can easily push the 110 mark with his skill profile, too much value to not start.
Taranto - I don't love picking a F6 target up front but he's great value and I think he's a pretty solid bet to be an F6 level scorer so it's worth the punt. Also a defensive pick if nothing else.
Allen - Definitely not a lock, but with a high risk backline setup, having a guaranteed best 22 guy to field definitely helps.
McLean - If he's fit and named round one he's basically a lock, if his role is as advertised then he's a must start on top of that.
2 Rooks - Very confident these appear, definitely think there could be someone else to replace Allen and free up that cash, not that I really know how to use it anyway.
Structure - Mainly seeing what it looks like without a Fyfe/Ziebell, who basically pair with a Hopper type (or each other) if I do go for them. I actually think both could feasibly match Taranto but I'd say Taranto hits 102 level with about 75% certainty (removing injury) while I'd say I'm at more like 30-40% on the other two, Fyfe also has much more durability issues to throw on top of that. Ultimately I'm not looking to start anyone in the forwards who doesn't have 105 as a likely outcome imo if they're over 300k if I can avoid it. I'm also heavier here than I'd like but I just like Rozee/Taranto more as keeper picks than equivalent options elsewhere and with both having DPP, worst case they'll slot into strong F7/M9 options if there's a lot of crucial DPP changes.
Byes - Round 15 bye is far from ideal, all 3 are DPP though and that's the best bye for MIDs on paper so definitely a solid chance to hide one up there. Round 15 also the easiest bye to plan for and around, so if you're going overloaded it's the one.
Team feels strong on paper to me, obviously defender rookies will make or break it but very confident in Ginbey, McKenna and Constable being playable rookies if they make their sides, so basically need to find one more that's not significantly worse than other positions and 2 to provide cover, I'm not as confident on the latter part. That said, Coffield and a few others definitely could switch with Allen in this team given the amount of FWD rookies on the cards and will probably be the right play once I work out what player it is!
Differences I have Doch over Daicos, Bont & Brayshaw over Neale & Steele, Jackson over NN and Fyfe over Allen. I'm a little worried also over the thin backline.
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Here’s what i’m looking at currently, I could tell you i’m going to roll with this till the preseason games but no doubt there will be heaps of changes. Any suggestions greatly appreciated - need all the help i can get.
Some brief notes:
DEF:
The defence worries me not having one of the 600+ guys but just not sure if i can fit them in.
MID:
Oliver and Laird are basically locks, really like the value of Serong to get them both.
RUCK:
There’s obvious question marks on DC with his durability and the possibility of Cox. Like the look of NN but the slightest stumble and he’s off my list.
FWD:
Strong watch on Cunnington in the preseason - will happily drop Cogs or Rozee to him depending on their preseason roles.
Some brief notes:
DEF:
The defence worries me not having one of the 600+ guys but just not sure if i can fit them in.
MID:
Oliver and Laird are basically locks, really like the value of Serong to get them both.
RUCK:
There’s obvious question marks on DC with his durability and the possibility of Cox. Like the look of NN but the slightest stumble and he’s off my list.
FWD:
Strong watch on Cunnington in the preseason - will happily drop Cogs or Rozee to him depending on their preseason roles.
He's basically a bit smaller Bont with more speed, inside game will be the question if he gets the role that has been slated but there's not really anything about him that says he can't be a very good inside option outside of just not having done it an awful lot. Was eased in last year on a wing with the Giants having half a dozen inside mids.
Happy to sit on this til the next round of info. Feels thin in the mids compared to a few but loading the forwards looks the way to go this far out as I’m not confident in in the rookies there outside of McLean.
Young, Daicos, Yeo, Ginbey, McKenna, Wilmot, Constable, Cowan
Laird, Neale, Steele, Kelly, Mitchell, Ashcroft, Phillipou, Phillips, Baker, Long, Drury
Marshall, Cameron, Madden
Dunkley, Cogs, Rozee, Taranto, Fyfe, Mclean, Van Rooyen, Richards
If Cameron doesn’t get up I’ll strongly consider Lycett at R2 as a stopgap. Looked extremely fit at the intra club, albeit on the B side, but I can’t see Teakle pushing him out early in the season.
Young, Daicos, Yeo, Ginbey, McKenna, Wilmot, Constable, Cowan
Laird, Neale, Steele, Kelly, Mitchell, Ashcroft, Phillipou, Phillips, Baker, Long, Drury
Marshall, Cameron, Madden
Dunkley, Cogs, Rozee, Taranto, Fyfe, Mclean, Van Rooyen, Richards
If Cameron doesn’t get up I’ll strongly consider Lycett at R2 as a stopgap. Looked extremely fit at the intra club, albeit on the B side, but I can’t see Teakle pushing him out early in the season.
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I don't think he will get too much of the inside game and tbh doesn't need to. I expect he'll benefit from Tom Green improving and Cogs back in the contested side of the game feeding him. He'll provide some good run in the new game plan with Kelly, Callaghan uses the ball well and if he stays fit I expect he'll make some pretty good coin. He's priced only $40k more than the top draft picks of this round but I think he has JS and the game that can make $150k and provide points on ground to get through the first QTR of the season. He's a good user.
Pretty comfy with this at the moment -
D: Dawson, Daicos, Yeo, Gibney, McKenna, Constable, (Wilmot, Cincotta)
M: Laird, Oliver, Bont, Cogs, Green, Hopper, Ashcroft, Phillips, (Baker, Chesser, Davey)
R: Grundy, Marshall, (Madden)
F: Dunks, Rozee, Taranto, Fyfe, McLean, Phillipou, (Greene, Drury)
All the benches feel weak re js, although I am fairly confident on the on field rookies. Would love another true mid prem, but can't get there even with Dawson (to Young) and Fyfe (to a rookie) down and Hopper up. Fiddled around with R2 but not happy with anyone really, Grundy as good a chance as any to score well and don't trust DC/Draper.
D: Dawson, Daicos, Yeo, Gibney, McKenna, Constable, (Wilmot, Cincotta)
M: Laird, Oliver, Bont, Cogs, Green, Hopper, Ashcroft, Phillips, (Baker, Chesser, Davey)
R: Grundy, Marshall, (Madden)
F: Dunks, Rozee, Taranto, Fyfe, McLean, Phillipou, (Greene, Drury)
All the benches feel weak re js, although I am fairly confident on the on field rookies. Would love another true mid prem, but can't get there even with Dawson (to Young) and Fyfe (to a rookie) down and Hopper up. Fiddled around with R2 but not happy with anyone really, Grundy as good a chance as any to score well and don't trust DC/Draper.
I'm enjoying preseason for the first time in years. The first team for the year, with a billions tinkers to come.
Backs - Saad may become Young but I like Saad's chances of improving with Blues' injuries. Daicos looks to be in enough teams he shouldn't need too much explanation. WIth Yeo (and NN later) I think WC will be keen to start the year well and Yeo looks fit. Rookies still placeholders but with some thought in them .
Mids - Laird, Oliver, Bont haven't left the side. Brayshaw would be Neale if I find $60K. Hopper and some high cost rookies that should be fieldable.
Rucks - Witts (or Marshall to fund Neale) I'm not convinced but I need to hold at least one ruck who might make the journey... because NN is unlikely to. But I think he's likely to be top scoring ruck in the first few weeks with WC pushing hard at the start of the year. I just need him to not be injured during a game. Ideally, he's the one everyone scrambles to get while I can only be half frustrated when he gets the inevitable injury.
Forwards - Dunkley, Cogs, Rozee all feel safe and will be very common. I hate the Fyfe pick and if someone show up in that price range I'll swap in an instant - as such keeping an eye on Allen, Ziebell, Windhager, etc). Fading Taranto the only real different choice here.
Structure - I'm hoping I can keep something similar, I'd like 1 more mid premium but feel that pushing for one more sacrifices pieces I'm happy with.
