2023: SC Planning Thread

[mwross91]

Can't remember a year where pre-season games posed more questions than answers.

As we take in all available information, one thing that sticks out to me is the poor rookies which are available in the fwd line this year especially who to put in as F5/F6 on the field. In no particular order

1. McLean who had minimal CBA's - how is he supposed to go through the guts with Bont/Libba/Macrae/Treloar/Baz, etc, poor return at an elevated price tag?
2. Allen - will be up and down, think we've seen his floor
3. Sheezel - being trialed in multiple positions during pre-season, didn't he do rubbish the week before and look lost in HB? yet he somehow managed to scrape a 70 by doing well in the last 1/4. Pretty risky imo
4. Chandler - poor role and will have a low floor as well, no thanks
5. F Green - looked the goods but not sure i have the nads to put him on the field
6. Comben - the new relton? (sorry thats a bit harsh)

Probably missed a few but point being is that i'm thinking we need to pay up for some mid pricers (likes of Bruhn, Flanders, etc) to round out F5/F6, not to mention that some of these fwd rookies might be sub risks.

Really difficult year to finalise teams imo

I'm bullish on Sheezel - he seems to be the player that they want to get involved. So like you said, when he was quiet for a few qtrs they decide to throw him loose off half back and he gets into the game. I think that gives him an edge to not simply be a fwd like Comben, Mclean, Allen, Green and Chandler - especially considering that other than Mclean and Chandler the rest of these options are in v poor sides where kicking bags of goals or even 1-2 will be difficult most weeks.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Can't remember a year where pre-season games posed more questions than answers.

As we take in all available information, one thing that sticks out to me is the poor rookies which are available in the fwd line this year especially who to put in as F5/F6 on the field. In no particular order

1. McLean who had minimal CBA's - how is he supposed to go through the guts with Bont/Libba/Macrae/Treloar/Baz, etc, poor return at an elevated price tag?
2. Allen - will be up and down, think we've seen his floor
3. Sheezel - being trialed in multiple positions during pre-season, didn't he do rubbish the week before and look lost in HB? yet he somehow managed to scrape a 70 by doing well in the last 1/4. Pretty risky imo
4. Chandler - poor role and will have a low floor as well, no thanks
5. F Green - looked the goods but not sure i have the nads to put him on the field
6. Comben - the new relton? (sorry thats a bit harsh)

Probably missed a few but point being is that i'm thinking we need to pay up for some mid pricers (likes of Bruhn, Flanders, etc) to round out F5/F6, not to mention that some of these fwd rookies might be sub risks.

Really difficult year to finalise teams imo

At this point in time I just have the one rookie on field forward and it’s Sheezel. He’s passing the eye test and looks as though he should be able to go 65+ playing fwd and/or def. The rest of the ones mentioned above appear far too risky for mine.

 

[wogitalia]

Can't remember a year where pre-season games posed more questions than answers.

As we take in all available information, one thing that sticks out to me is the poor rookies which are available in the fwd line this year especially who to put in as F5/F6 on the field. In no particular order

1. McLean who had minimal CBA's - how is he supposed to go through the guts with Bont/Libba/Macrae/Treloar/Baz, etc, poor return at an elevated price tag?
2. Allen - will be up and down, think we've seen his floor
3. Sheezel - being trialed in multiple positions during pre-season, didn't he do rubbish the week before and look lost in HB? yet he somehow managed to scrape a 70 by doing well in the last 1/4. Pretty risky imo
4. Chandler - poor role and will have a low floor as well, no thanks
5. F Green - looked the goods but not sure i have the nads to put him on the field
6. Comben - the new relton? (sorry thats a bit harsh)

Probably missed a few but point being is that i'm thinking we need to pay up for some mid pricers (likes of Bruhn, Flanders, etc) to round out F5/F6, not to mention that some of these fwd rookies might be sub risks.

Really difficult year to finalise teams imo

I actually think we've been so utterly spoiled the past couple of seasons that people have forgotten what forward rookies normally look like, just be grateful we've got about 5 premiums and several midprice guys we can choose from to cover it. Last year had Brodie, Coniglio, Curnow, McGovern (failed), Xerri et al so we didn't even have to think about starting a rookie, the hardest part was squeezing them all in! Year before it was Daniher, Ziebell, Warner et al.

Actually think it's a pretty good group but there's almost too many options and picking the right one from a bad pool is going to be a real challenge.

 

[Harmonic Nine]

Wonder if it’s feasible to put say Dunkley in the mids, then run a McLean/Fergus/Allen on field at F6. If your F6 leaks points then you bring Dunks down to the fwd line and everyone shuffles down with say Sheezel going from F5 to F6, then bringing your best scoring mid off the bench.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Wonder if it’s feasible to put say Dunkley in the mids, then run a McLean/Fergus/Allen on field at F6. If your F6 leaks points then you bring Dunks down to the fwd line and everyone shuffles down with say Sheezel going from F5 to F6, then bringing your best scoring mid off the bench.

Way too much value to take in the midfield for a forward to be taking up one of my spots.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Problem with Sheezel is the sheer amount of defenders they already have and a forward line that's severely lacking any actual talent, see plenty of games where he gets stuck forward and starved of the footy.

Expect Corr and Hall are clear best 22 as soon as they are fit.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Sheezel looked great, my worry is he may get the sub early and come on when and as needed but I think after a few rounds he'll be a regular and good scorer. Just hope he gets TOG% early in the season, I'm hoping to run him at F6

 

[Shaunpro1]

Sheezel looked great, my worry is he may get the sub early and come on when and as needed but I think after a few rounds he'll be a regular and good scorer. Just hope he gets TOG% early in the season, I'm hoping to run him at F6

Im just struggling to see how hes required in defence when they have everyone available, Corr,Ziebell,McDonald,Hall,McKay and Logue feels their clear 6 to me, Scott and Perez are rated pretty highly internally and will keep getting their chance aswell, to me they need him alot more forward of centre than down back long term as impressive as he has looked when swung down there.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Im just struggling to see how hes required in defence when they have everyone available, Corr,Ziebell,McDonald,Hall,McKay and Logue feels their clear 6 to me, Scott and Perez are rated pretty highly internally and will keep getting their chance aswell, to me they need him alot more forward of centre than down back long term as impressive as he has looked when swung down there.

I agree and that's my worry - I think he'll end up there but not for a few rounds.

 

[Shaunpro1]

I agree and that's my worry - I think he'll end up there but not for a few rounds.

Corr was BOG in the VFL praccy expect hes picked Round 1, Hall one of their better players aswell and will keep building.

 

[AngryAnt]

Im just struggling to see how hes required in defence when they have everyone available, Corr,Ziebell,McDonald,Hall,McKay and Logue feels their clear 6 to me, Scott and Perez are rated pretty highly internally and will keep getting their chance aswell, to me they need him alot more forward of centre than down back long term as impressive as he has looked when swung down there.

Only time they looked like they knew what they were doing exiting their backline was when he was back there. Not saying that they will play him there but it's also a sign that they might look to get him involved if he's being starved of opportunity up forward.

 

[Shannon]

Im just struggling to see how hes required in defence when they have everyone available, Corr,Ziebell,McDonald,Hall,McKay and Logue feels their clear 6 to me, Scott and Perez are rated pretty highly internally and will keep getting their chance aswell, to me they need him alot more forward of centre than down back long term as impressive as he has looked when swung down there.

If Hall & Corr are named round then agree it is hard to see him getting much time there - his last quarter yesterday was so impressive with the perfect lucrative role which caught my eye.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Was there any update on Crozier? Was really impressed with what I saw early in the game.

 

[Shaunpro1]

If Hall & Corr are named round then agree it is hard to see him getting much time there - his last quarter yesterday was so impressive with the perfect lucrative role which caught my eye.

He was really guarding grass as a forward that floor is going to be horrificly bad if he gets stuck up there in a belting, would love Clarko to give us something definitive but hes never been one for that haha.

 

[OnTopBar]

Fyfe at F5 and Bruhn at F6, problem solved, Greene and Davey at F7 & 8

 

[wogitalia]

Im just struggling to see how hes required in defence when they have everyone available, Corr,Ziebell,McDonald,Hall,McKay and Logue feels their clear 6 to me, Scott and Perez are rated pretty highly internally and will keep getting their chance aswell, to me they need him alot more forward of centre than down back long term as impressive as he has looked when swung down there.

Hall is the interesting one and whether he actually makes their best 22 or if he does whether it's as a defender. Clarko has never liked that type of player in defense. Ziebell was definitely in the "Hodge" role and makes sense, he's stupid courageous and very good in the air and reads it well.

Scott has played exclusively wing and will continue to do so, I'd imagine. Perez isn't half the prospect that Sheezel is, he'll win that if it comes down to it and I like Perez.

I expect it will be an in game thing though, he'll start forward, it's a higher value and harder to fill position that they'd want him in longer term.

Was there any update on Crozier? Was really impressed with what I saw early in the game.

Dislocated finger is what I heard, depends really if it's a normal dislocated finger, in which case no issues, or the kind that Logue had that took 2 months out of his preseason. Haven't heard any further update.

Agreed he looked great and the role is there. Richards and Duryea injuries also relevant here. That he started on field is a good sign though. Similar issue there though where you've got Jones, Dale, Keath, Bruce*, Daniel and Richards, so probably a Crozier vs Duryea decision for the final spot if all fit. Crozier and Dale can play taller on smaller 3rd tall types but I expect they go the three talls (*Bruce for Gardner for now). Daniel could also play a different position, Crozier much better defensively and not that much worse offensively with Dale and Richards already the main outlets. Crozier also screams starting sub though as can play forward or back and small or medium.

He was really guarding grass as a forward that floor is going to be horrificly bad if he gets stuck up there in a belting, would love Clarko to give us something definitive but hes never been one for that haha.

He at least was roaming very high (D50 high) in the first 3 quarters so it seems he's got the chance to push up and find the ball at least. I think he makes good cash but I'm not sure you'd want to be relying on him scoring week to week.

 

[AngryAnt]

Was there any update on Crozier? Was really impressed with what I saw early in the game.

Rate him over Jones as a pick at that price point. Jones has the ability to drop a 30 on field. Scored 101 but basically had multiple intercept marks in the first quarter alone, not going to happen every week.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Rate him over Jones as a pick at that price point. Jones has the ability to drop a 30 on field. Scored 101 but basically had multiple intercept marks in the first quarter alone, not going to happen every week.

I much prefer Jones due to the JS. Hopefully his floor is closer to the 50 mark.

Crozier is right on the fringe for mine. Don’t really want to pay $218k for a bloke who’s barely best 22.

 

[Blue Bloods]

Rate him over Jones as a pick at that price point. Jones has the ability to drop a 30 on field. Scored 101 but basically had multiple intercept marks in the first quarter alone, not going to happen every week.

Agree on the scoring but Jones 100% be there, Crozier 50%.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Rate him over Jones as a pick at that price point. Jones has the ability to drop a 30 on field. Scored 101 but basically had multiple intercept marks in the first quarter alone, not going to happen every week.

Will have enough good games in a good side for mine, can deal with 40s if the ceiling is 80+, especially when the JS is one of the best out of anyone.