Strategy 2023: Rookies Discussion

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Hollands 56 not too bad from only 11 touches
Hollands owner and Essendon supporter too; LOL.

I think Hollands' 56 was quite generous especially when 3 of the possessions was in 1 play (iirc).

What I do like is Hollands worked so hard to get the ball and 'elite running into space', but the ball just didn't get to him.

Was hoping Hollands' left foot helicopter point was a goal :(

Very happy (and lucky) to get 56 but hopefully gets a few more games where the ball does go to him.
 
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Hollands owner and Essendon supporter too; LOL.

I think Hollands' 56 was quite generous especially when 3 of the possessions was in 1 play (iirc).

What I do like is Hollands worked so hard to get the ball and 'elite running into space', but the ball just didn't get to him.

Was hoping Hollands' left foot helicopter point was a goal :(

Very happy (and lucky) to get 56 but hopefully gets a few more games where the ball does go to him.
Doesn't get easier with Geelong next week but I think he should be safe, has elite aerobic capacity and did some really nice things defensively as well. His disposal wasn't great either at times and the game felt a bit fast for him but hopefully they persist. LOB seems a better candidate as an impact sub, someone who would be competing for his direct spot.
 
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So do we rate Chesser as a rookie lock or are their still concerns with him being potential sub out candidate like Cowan?
 
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Find it odd in 2023 that people still worry about where players are named.
Like it's netball & you're only allowed in certain parts of the court
Could argue where and what position they're assigned affects potential scoring output, hence why we care so much. Happy to be proven wrong
 

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Doesn't get easier with Geelong next week but I think he should be safe, has elite aerobic capacity and did some really nice things defensively as well. His disposal wasn't great either at times and the game felt a bit fast for him but hopefully they persist. LOB seems a better candidate as an impact sub, someone who would be competing for his direct spot.
I would be very surprised if Hollands doesn't get a 2nd game if they watch the highlights.

It was his work rate when off the ball and giving options for his teammates, but ball simply didn't get to him.

Normally, I don't watch Carlton games nor care, but due to SuperCoach (Saad, Docherty, Hollands, Cowan*), I may need to watch them all.... :(
 
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Could argue where and what position they're assigned affects potential scoring output, hence why we care so much. Happy to be proven wrong
How? No-one is forced to start in any position.
One player must be in the goal square at start of quarter & that's it.
Tiges named Liam Baker at CHB,very good player but luckily didnt actually play there.
 
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How? No-one is forced to start in any position.
One player must be in the goal square at start of quarter & that's it.
Tiges named Liam Baker at CHB,very good player but luckily didnt actually play there.
It's 100% completely and entirely irrelevant. Fagan named Rayner forward this week and no chance he plays there.
It is and it isn't. Players can start and go anywhere that's true, but sometimes, and I mean sometimes, team selection sheets are indicative of validating some preseason roles. I mean if Bruhn was named on the ball I'd be much more certain in taking him than on the bench with Atkins and similar for Gulden. Now it's entirely possible that both Gulden and Bruhn both get some midfield minutes but it shows no major changes to roles. Setterfield being named in the centre gives me some clarity on what his role is likely to be.
 
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It is and it isn't. Players can start and go anywhere that's true, but sometimes, and I mean sometimes, team selection sheets are indicative of validating some preseason roles. I mean if Bruhn was named on the ball I'd be much more certain in taking him than on the bench with Atkins and similar for Gulden. Now it's entirely possible that both Gulden and Bruhn both get some midfield minutes but it shows no major changes to roles. Setterfield being named in the centre gives me some clarity on what his role is likely to be.
Disagree entirely. There may be teams that are more honest than others, and that may be an experiment worth looking at, but for the most part they don't want to give anything away / don't care.

Geelong (in regards to Bruhn) have named Smith in the backline (will play wing), Holmes in the middle (will play mostly wing), Tuohy on the wing (will play backline), Blics on the wing (may play wing, may play inside mid, will play back-up ruck) - so how can you take anything out of that?

Also the benches named currently will change when the final 22 & sub are confirmed.
You may be able to get more info from the final team 1 hour before the match (using benches to work out who is playing where) but where Bruhn/Gulden is named is irrelevant. Josh Daicos is named in the mids, Simpkin is named on the wing, Macrae is named on the wing, Rozee is named in the forwards etc.


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View: https://twitter.com/aflratingsPete/status/1636544638625673217


Ok rant over :p:LOL:
 
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And key position forwards are unable to leave the forward fifty and present up the field as a marking option when exiting the D50 to reduce the SC reliance on goals scored or players not in a CBA are unable to attend a stoppage around the ground until the next goal is kicked.
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Hollands owner and Essendon supporter too; LOL.

I think Hollands' 56 was quite generous especially when 3 of the possessions was in 1 play (iirc).

What I do like is Hollands worked so hard to get the ball and 'elite running into space', but the ball just didn't get to him.

Was hoping Hollands' left foot helicopter point was a goal :(

Very happy (and lucky) to get 56 but hopefully gets a few more games where the ball does go to him.
Doesn't get easier with Geelong next week but I think he should be safe, has elite aerobic capacity and did some really nice things defensively as well. His disposal wasn't great either at times and the game felt a bit fast for him but hopefully they persist. LOB seems a better candidate as an impact sub, someone who would be competing for his direct spot.
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