Strategy 2023: Round 2 Trades

Gruffles · 24 Mar 2023

Id drop down to a Daicos,Young, Ridley, Rioli, Richards type. Bank the extra cash.
I am wishing I had 2 500k defenders at D1 D2 over Doch & Dawson and 200k to play with at the moment!

aj74 · 24 Mar 2023

I've gone MPM and breakout heavy this year figuring that you need to get them right to win:
MPM: Hopper, Worpel, Callaghan, Bruhn, Flanderses, Callaghan
Breakouts: Young, Richards, Green, Gulden

Bruhn has already been corrected, currently to JHF. Hopper and Flanders may not make it past the weekend. ZB and Rachelle have put their hands up early and I'm also keeping an eye on young Liam Henry from Freo. He seems the sort of player who is in the right role to benefit from Freo's draw up to round 8 or so. 200k F/M. Plays North this week and if he scores well, is gonna be hard to pass up. So there's people to look at there, but I can wait a week. Thinking though that I need to be prepared to ditch an MPM for another.

I also think that there are more breakouts/value to chase with the 3 R's down back (4 if you count Rich but he's too old for my risk profile) and Daicos. THere's DeGoey, Rowell and of course LDU in the middle that might be worth getting on early too once we've had a look and up forward, I really should have kept Cogs instead of Rozee so far but the season is long and I can wait on that one for now.

My bench currently looks like Wilmot, Cowan, Goater, Baker, Chesser, Madden, Flanders, Greene. Ie, a bit of a wasteland. I need to get some cash gen happening there and fast and I think that rules out tinkering with premos for the next couple of weeks.

I've got 22k in the bank and 5 trades left before price rises, not counting any MPMs that demand picking that can be spent on rookies. The two backs don't have anyone yet threatening their spots. I could switch Chesser or Goater back if needs be but Wilmot and Cowan are looking like classic slow burn back rookies while Goater/Chesser look beige or crap. Madden isn't tradeable for obvious reasons. So Goater, Baker, Chesser, Flanders and Greene are in the gun. Baker, I like. Mature age rookie priced and should be able to average 60 when not facing the Melbourne juggernaut. Leaves 3 rookies and Flanders in the gun.

I think Hollands is a must have for reasons mentioned in the game day thread. Likewise, I liked what I saw from Pou and if I'm forced to bring him in this week to make trade room for next week, then I'm ok with that. I think he is the highest reward/lowest risk of the other names on offer. Now I can't fund these guys without altering my 22 and I can't predict which ones I'll need to turf out of there yet. So it has to be funded out of Goater or Flanders. Say Goater and a 123k rookie to Pou and Hollands. Can do that with my 22k in the bank, leaving me 9k. I lose a D/M link in Goater but doubt I would be using that yet with Chesser in there anyway. And if I correct Chesser, with me looking to get Bowes, Yeo or even Crozier down back soon, I'll be able to reform that link with Constable/Ginbey anyway.

Right.... so trade 2 is Goater > Pou. Leaves Chesser, Flanders and Greene near the cannon looking nervous. I've now got a M/F link which is always noice to have and I've funded next week's trade of Chesser/Greene > Hollands.

There's nobody really screaming to get picked this week and I've already claimed a trade for next week. I'm going to have to take a chance on someone this week. It's going to have to be Chandler. I think for Flanders so that I've got the money banked. With only 2 trades left next week already, I don't have the luxury of freeing up cash then and will have to grab the best payers I can for cash gen.

---- me what an essay. Sorry about all that guys but I needed to get the thoughts out on paper instead of bouncing about my head. I was getting really close to going Macrae > DeGoey for the returned cash, onfield points and potential breakout.

mwross91 · 24 Mar 2023

aj74 said:

Yeah I keep coming back to Rioli (if you already made your Stewart trade you can update it if you like).

The kid can play and is priced partially for his early season role last year which was down forward if I'm not mistaken? Richmond fans could back me up or correct me on that one. Like you said, he seems to get the kick ins and lets face it, pace, skills, playing off half back in 2023. There could be a few ppg in value there before his price rise. Thinking of going Doc > Rioli next week because he will be a POD next to the others you mentioned (I already have Young) and I still have points to make up on the leaders. Otherwise I couldn't afford him but he is well on the radar as a smokey

Have leaned towards Ed Richards currently... price point and similar scoring finish to last year as well.

Bones · 24 Mar 2023

Along similar lines to @aj74 but as well thought out - thinking of going early on Chesser and Ash to McKenna and Sheezel via DPP - just think I'm going to have too many issues to fix up next week - Jones, Bruhn, Ash (if not this week), possibly Flanders and Hopper and no doubt other problems yet to emerge.

Toothless Tigers · 24 Mar 2023

aj74 said:

I would be wary of selecting Rioli because:

Ben Miller (Omitted), Jack Ross (Omitted), Rhyan Mansell (Omitted)

This means Mansell role of defensive forward is now Liam Baker which means Jayden Short moves back to his customary HBF.

But then again I could be totally and utterly completely wrong

Matt · 24 Mar 2023

Does anyone else have Bailey Dale as a problem?
Still not quite sure how he ended up in my team after all the changes I made to it before round 1

Old Big 'Ead · 24 Mar 2023

Yes, I like Ed Richards. He has reached 100 in 6 of his last 8 games, with one of the 2 that he missed being 97. One of those tons was against the Saints as well. He scored 106 last week in a losing side with 59% DE, so I think that is worth a shot.

So, my trade ATM, before I change them again for the umpteenth time

Fyfe > JHF
Flanders > Chandler
Day > Richards

I didn't want to use a boost this week, as I will probably next week to maximise the rookies, but need to take advantage of these players while I can.

Ricky Bobby · 24 Mar 2023

Matt said:

Yes I’ve got him. I’m hoping he shows me this week that he isn’t really a problem 🤔😬

Matt · 24 Mar 2023

Ricky Bobby said:

I've traded him out & back in constantly all week, I'll give him another week as well. Surely he can't be that bad again, or he'll be added to my Bruhn/Hopper/Laird problems

NT.Thunder · 24 Mar 2023

Matt said:

Ricky Bobby said:

I've mentioned Ed Richards a few times and also what appears to be Ed's rise in SC numbers which coincided with Bailey Dale's fall in SC numbers starting from late last season. Coincidence - maybe, but something to think about.

I think you need to hold Dale against the Saints though personally

Mark Crorigan · 24 Mar 2023

The idea being to pick Laird back up in ~2 weeks after Flanders has made some money. Defence looking shaky at the moment, but that's next week's problem. I feel like I'm diluting my team too much though.

NT.Thunder · 24 Mar 2023

Numbers below. Rounds 18, 19 & 20 below shows that they can coexist from a SC perspective. Interestingly Caleb Daniel also missed round 18 & 19 last season and back in round 20 so maybe Daniel impacts Baily Dale more so

Ed Richards

Bailey Dale

TeeButOne · 24 Mar 2023

Which of these would be best to consider for this week (and likely consider the other (in some form) next week)?

- O. Allen up to JHF (@ F5), or
- F. Greene down to Chandler (@ F8)

Thanks in advance.

Connoisseur · 24 Mar 2023

AngryAnt said:

Blue Bloods said:

aj74 said:

You've got a pretty good squad that managed to pretty well all underperform at the same time. So I figure Marshall and everyone north of Dunkley remains. You generally want to give rookies more than a week to show their wares so they are probably off limits too. You've got the 'must haves' there at the moment anyway. Maybe you want to look at Hollands, Phillips and Chandler. Time will tell how many of and which ones you should take. I notice also that Alwyn Davey Jnr played out the match. We were concerned a bit by his tank pre season so him playing out the game has to place him on some radars

I mean really, your squad is ok on paper. I'll go through it like you need to trade something but really, you might be just as good leaving it as is. Well.. other than getting Callaghan in. I think you might really need him.

You got your mid-pricers a bit wrong perhaps but that's to be expected. Not all of them will work. I only saw the 2nd half of the Freo match but Fyfe looked cooked. Never write off a champion and all but either JL gets him more in the mids or he will have to drop him soon. He was a liability. 9 stats, 3 contested and 6 clangers including 3 FA. It's not every week that he'll play that bad, sure but he has that sort of performance in him now. I wouldn't risk it.

Hopper was very underwhelming and Bruhn ran out of gas. I'm looking at moving them on myself so it's how I would advise you. On Hunter Clark, I'd have to ask a Sainters fan if he was playing a new role or something. His DE for the last few years was in the low 70s and he went at 33% on the weekend. Had as many disposals as usual. Maybe the one extra clanger. I do notice there were more tackles and clearances. Maybe he needs another look before giving the flick? If you have Kayo, check him out. It was a good game for watching

Flanders is also in the gun for me but only because I need his coin to do what I want with Hopper and Bruhn. He's a HFF playing on a humid night against a Sydney side with something to prove. Not ideal conditions for a forward. He scored you 64 which is unders for cash gen but perhaps worthy of another look. They have a middling draw to come with the likes of Essendon and North but also Geelong and Port. None of them are at night in Qld though. Your call. But I'm looking to move him on

Chesser: We knew he would take a while to work into it and that he could miss games. If you didn't, then ok you could look to trade him. Otherwise, you would have expected the result on the weekend to some degree. He is a useful DPP for your Ginbey/Constable types. And Greene: well we knew a Hawthorn tall would struggle this year and we are just hoping for spike games. I would only trade him if and when a better rookie demands a spot.

Wilmot almost did his job. I expect he'll improve. Cowan looked the goods prior to being subbed but will be a slow burn. His 2nd(?) quarter suggested that he has a big score in him somewhere so I'm holding and Baker is a mature aged mid that should return better scores for us over the next month. I hope.

You have injury worries with Kelly and Bytel. The latter looks capable at the level and there is no point flipping him if he is missing the week. Chances are you'll want to flip him straight back in again in a fortnight for no apparent gain. Kelly is a totally different beast though. I'd trade him out but only because I didn't pick him in the first place. He gets injured a lot, regardless of him getting his body right over the last 2 years, maybe even 3 years with him playing 14/17 in 2020. But even with him having his body right for those two or 3 years, his SC output has been in consistent decline from mid 110s to the 105 he hit last year. Now he's got the whole concussion thing going on. If it was my call, I'd bite the bullet on him. I understand that others see him in a different light.

So your uninjured premos are good and there aren't many rookies screaming to be picked. That could change next week though and I know I'm preparing for it. It might not happen but if it does, I'm going to want to trade those rookies. That philosophy, in your case, leaves you either tinkering with your MPs or moving on Kelly. As the only MPs you don't have calling out to be picked this week are pretty much what.... Ziebell and Callaghan...

Callaghann is one you'll probably want by next week. Probably. But all you have to cut from your mids is Kelly and Hopper and you don't have an MF swing to directly trade Fyfe or others to him. You don't have enough coin to upgrade those rookies, even if you want to.

If Hopper really is cooked, then you downgrade him to Callaghan and would then go either Fyfe or Bruhn to ZB. I'd choose Fyfe. ALways pick the up and comer over the 30+year old with injury history. Kelly you'd then have 20k to take Kelly to whoever's in range, though I'd suggest going down to an LDU at least. It's not too late to be looking for breakouts.

But my preferred move would be Kelly down to Callaghan. This gives you another look at Hopper and frees up 340k. Now you can afford Fyfe > ZB and Bruhn/Flanders to a 500k forward. Upgrading Bruhn could get you to Cogs who yeah... injuries maybe but he could also be on an early season tear. Upgrading Flanders might get you as far as Taranto - definitely Gulden. You could even keep Bruhn/Flanders and go Clark > 500k defender and change but I dunno. As mentioned above, I think he deserves another look. Next week is rookie time and you might be dumping Flanders and Hopper. Under those circumstances, Clark > Anyone is a possibility in round 2.

So yeah:
Out: Kelly, Fyfe, Bruhn/Flanders
In: Cogs/Taranto/Gulden, Ziebell, Callaghan

Thank you all for the responses. Originally intended on keeping Kelly but Bytel out and then Chesser being named meant I will likely trade Kelly now. Did consider Chester to Callaghan via a fwd midpricer downgrade but the issue was that it required Hopepr to be downgraded next week or either traded this week unless Mackenzie was to be benched going forward.

Fall less than $5,000 short of Callaghan, Ziebell and Callaghan but can afford Callaghan next round to replace Bruhn and swing Coniglio back to the fwd line to join Dunkley, JHF, Ziebell, Sheezel and Chandler on-field. Means Clark earns a stay for an extra round as Fyfe, Flanders and Kelly would be the players exiting.

Ricky Bobby · 24 Mar 2023

NT.Thunder said:

I agree with the “hold against the saints” call. This is where I’m hoping he shows me something.
If he disappoints, then Ed Richards could be one of the potential corrections options

Old Big 'Ead · 24 Mar 2023

Mark Crorigan said:

Don't trade Laird out, and then back again. That's a waste of 2 trades?? Wouldn't even trade Laird out - he's a Premium, and you picked him for a reason, so keep him.

Sarong to JHF would be better, and Jones is playing (against the Saints too - look at what the Fremantle defenders did last week). If you really want McKenna let Clark go IMO

Old Big 'Ead · 24 Mar 2023

Ricky Bobby said:

I see Richards skyrocketing in selection next week...

Mark Crorigan · 24 Mar 2023

Old Big 'Ead said:

You're correct - I feel like I've been slapped and been told to snap out of it. Maybe I'll give JFH another week to see how he goes before deciding. I have a massive soft spot for Serong even if he is a bellend who burns me every year.

Socrates2 · 24 Mar 2023

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Seems a fair call imo as it frees up a lot of money.

Pieman17 · 24 Mar 2023

Had already done Bruhn to Gulden but all this talk has me a little nervous.

Maybe I should go to Rozee instead hmmmm

Strategy 2023: Round 2 Trades

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