Strategy 2023: Rookies Discussion
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Chandler appears to be preferred to Melksham. He played along side Pickett, but not Fritsch. Although Fritsch seems to play deeper fwd role than Chandler anyway. I feel like he has reasonable JS if he maintains his form. Is there someone I'm missing who could push him out of the 22?
200-250k is not out of the question from him.
200-250k is not out of the question from him.
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https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/h...s/news-story/2a5540ef2b3989bcb4aa2e9875e27a1e
Number 1 draft pick Aaron Cadman a likely in(207k fwd), will be interested to see how he goes.
Article from HS regarding Rookies to target before price changes this round:
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KFC SuperCoach 2023: The rookies you need to buy, hold and sell before round 3
This is your last chance to grab the best KFC SuperCoach rookies before their prices shoot up. Who do you need, who can you pass on and who can you trade out? See our expert verdict.
Dan Batten
5 min read
March 28, 2023 - 4:25PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
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Rookies are usually all the rage ahead of KFC SuperCoach round 3 price changes.
But with mid-priced money trains leaving the station, cheapies have taken a taken a back seat as coaches clamor for players like Jack Ziebell and Will Setterfield.
While no KFC SuperCoach wants FOMO, ensuring you have the top cash cows should be the No.1 priority ahead of round 3.
If that means getting on Ziebell or Setterfield after one price rise, so be it.
These are the cheapies you need to buy, hold and sell.
MUST-HAVES
Harry Sheezel (North Melb) $198,300 FWD | Av 114 | Break Even: -116
Conor McKenna (Bris) $167,500 DEF | Av 86 | BE: -76
Will Ashcroft (Bris) $202,800 MID | Av 80 | BE -45
Reuben Ginbey (WC) $171,300 DEF/MID | Av 81 | BE -64
If you don’t own these four, get them in ASAP.
Sheezel posted three KFC SuperCoach double tons as a forward at junior level, but the exciting talent is now doing it at the other end in style.
Astonishingly, he has racked up over more than 30 disposals and 20 kicks in both of his first two matches and has also averaged five intercepts and 596m gained. A projected score of 67 will see him rise $83k – and that looks a modest estimate.
Some were scared off by McKenna’s modest pre-season scores but his role off half-back looks very favourable. He is averaging six intercepts per game and kicking at 82 per cent efficiency across his first two matches and is a reliable on-field option who the Lions will continue to use out of defence.
Reuben Ginbey has been a shining light for the Eagles. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images
Ashcroft had a minor blip on debut but showed his class with 31 disposals, 15 contested possessions, nine clearances, a goal and 105 points against the Dees. The 21 per cent of coaches who don’t own Ashcroft, take heed: he is capable of producing these scores on a regular basis.
Ginbey has attended the third most centre-bounces for the Eagles and will continue to be used through the midfield or across half-back. His defensive intent has been impressive over the first two rounds, laying 18 tackles, and is another who you can trust on-field.
BUY
Kade Chandler (Melb) $123,900 FWD | Av 82 | BE: -94
Cam Mackenzie (Haw) $180,300 MID | Av 73 | BE: -43
Charlie Constable (GC) $123,900 DEF | Av 61.5 | BE: -53
Noah Long (WC) $117,300 MID/FWD | Av 63 | BE -59
There is a slight question mark as to whether Chandler can hold his spot when Kysaiah Pickett returns from suspension. But after seeing his performances across the last fortnight, I think Chandler should still be in the Demons’ best 22. The forward has managed to hit the scoreboard in both matches, has used the ball well and showed his defensive traits with seven tackles in round 1.
We’ve seen rookies who look to have shaky job security play their way into a side with promising form in past seasons, and Pickett’s enhanced role through the midfield should also help Chandler’s cause. With a tantalising break even of -94, it is definitely a risk worth taking.
Kade Chandler is making it hard for Melbourne coaches to leave him out. Picture: Jonathan Ng
If you’re unsure of job security up forward, Long is your guy. The last selection of the 2022 national draft has burst onto the scene as a hardworking small forward, hitting the target with all seven of his disposals on the way to 62 points against the Giants, backing up his score of 63 in round 1. The rebuilding Eagles should look to give him as much senior opportunity as possible.
Constable looked to be in danger of losing his spot to Lachie Weller but the midfielder turned defender continued in a favourable role against the Bombers, taking three kick-ins to Weller’s four. The Suns still have Wil Powell to return in the coming weeks but fellow cheapie Bodhi Uwland looks to be the most vulnerable.
I am still bullish on the hopes of Mackenzie despite his centre bounce numbers dropping against the Swans. His ball-use is first class and he should continue to receive midfield opportunity, as he did in his 93-point debut.
HOLD/LOW-PRIORITY BUY
Tom Cole (WC) $182,300 DEF | Av 65 | BE -27
Anthony Caminiti (StK) $102,400 FWD | Av 54 | BE: -49
Darcy Wilmot (Bris) $123,900 DEF | Av 60 | BE: -49
Ollie Hollands (Carl) $162,300 MID | Av 64 | BE: -35
Mattaes Phillipou (StK) $166,800 MID/FWD | Av 68 | BE: -40
Josh Bruce (WB) $161,200 FWD | Av 62 | BE: -33
Luke Pedlar (Adel) $173,400 FWD | Av 59.5 | BE: -21
Alwyn Davey (Ess) $117,300 MID/FWD | Av 52 | BE: -37
Fergus Greene (Haw) $123,900 FWD | Av 41 | BE: -12
Max Michalanney (Adel) $135,300 DEF | Av 55 | BE: -33
Toby McLean (WB) $178,900 MID/FWD | BE: 18
Lachie Cowan (Carl) $117,300 DEF | Av 44.5 | BE: -23
Miller Bergman (NM) $123,900 DEF | Av 53.5 | BE: -37
I wouldn’t be going out of my way to bring in these cash cows unless you already have the top bunch of rookies along with Setterfield and Ziebell. And if you have, well… must be nice!
Cole looks to be a lock for the Eagles’ best 22 and could be a downgrade move from Liam Jones, and Ollie Hollands isn’t going anywhere either after 21 disposals and some gutsy efforts against the Cats.
Wilmot and Phillipou haven’t been high-possession winners but have been making every disposal count. Phillipou, in particular, highlighted his high impact as a forward with three goals and 59 points from just seven touches against the Western Bulldogs.
Mattaes Phillipou has star power at the Saints. Picture: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images
Alwyn Davey Jr is an exciting prospect. Picture: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images
His teammate Caminiti looms as a potential trade-in option if you absolutely need the extra $20k. While he will be a slow burn, his 73-point effort showed he can produce spike scores.
Greene has been moved on by quite a few teams, but his score of 49 on the weekend was well unders due to his goalkicking. The mature-age recruit booted an inaccurate 0.4 and should receive more opportunities against the Roos this week if you can afford to hold.
Same goes for Pedlar, who missed two gettable set shots in his score of 36.
WAIT
Samson Ryan (Rich) $123,900 RUC/FWD
Hayden Crozier (WB) $218,500 DEF
Ryan should be a very popular rookie option next week if he can hold his spot until round 4. A FWD-RUC in KFC SuperCoach, Ryan posted 72 points from six disposals thanks to three goals and two contested marks. A trade from Esava Ratugolea or Nick Madden is on the cards.
And while many have their sights set on discount defender Jack Bowes, Crozier produced a stellar effort last round. Crozier finished with 22 disposals, 10 marks, eight intercepts, six rebound 50s and 96 points and is one to keep an eye out for on Thursday night.
PASS
Jye Menzie (Ess) $154,200 FWD | Av 52 | BE: -39
Charlie Comben (NM) $123,900 RUC/FWD | Av 47.5 | BE: -25
Bodhi Uwland (GC) $123,900 DEF | Av 45.5 | BE: -21
Menzie has slotted two goals in each of his first two games but does he come straight out for Jake Stringer when he is fit? Either way, he probably isn’t worth jumping on at his inflated price.
Normal service resumed for Comben with a score of 12 on the weekend, while Uwland’s spot could come under question after just the five touches against Gold Coast.
Charlie Comben in action at North Melbourne training. Picture: Michael Klein
SELL/HOLD
Campbell Chesser $123,900 DEF/MID | Av 23.5 | BE: 23
Josh Goater (NM) $192,700 DEF/MID | Av 56 | BE -3
Ben King (GC) $176,300 FWD | Av 44.5 | BE: 11
Esava Ratugolea $174,000 FWD/RUC | Av 43 | BE: 13
Feel free to hold these rookies if you think they can produce a spike game or don’t fit into your trade plans, but by all means trade if you feel like off-loading.
Chesser has struggled to have an impact in his first two games and could be dropped – which means he can serve as a handy emergency loophole with his dual position status.
King bounced back with 70 points but faces the Cats this weekend, while his possible round three opponent Ratugolea’s role as a key defender may not be as lucrative as first hoped.
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KFC SuperCoach 2023: The rookies you need to buy, hold and sell before round 3
This is your last chance to grab the best KFC SuperCoach rookies before their prices shoot up. Who do you need, who can you pass on and who can you trade out? See our expert verdict.
Dan Batten
5 min read
March 28, 2023 - 4:25PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
0 comments
Rookies are usually all the rage ahead of KFC SuperCoach round 3 price changes.
But with mid-priced money trains leaving the station, cheapies have taken a taken a back seat as coaches clamor for players like Jack Ziebell and Will Setterfield.
While no KFC SuperCoach wants FOMO, ensuring you have the top cash cows should be the No.1 priority ahead of round 3.
If that means getting on Ziebell or Setterfield after one price rise, so be it.
These are the cheapies you need to buy, hold and sell.
MUST-HAVES
Harry Sheezel (North Melb) $198,300 FWD | Av 114 | Break Even: -116
Conor McKenna (Bris) $167,500 DEF | Av 86 | BE: -76
Will Ashcroft (Bris) $202,800 MID | Av 80 | BE -45
Reuben Ginbey (WC) $171,300 DEF/MID | Av 81 | BE -64
If you don’t own these four, get them in ASAP.
Sheezel posted three KFC SuperCoach double tons as a forward at junior level, but the exciting talent is now doing it at the other end in style.
Astonishingly, he has racked up over more than 30 disposals and 20 kicks in both of his first two matches and has also averaged five intercepts and 596m gained. A projected score of 67 will see him rise $83k – and that looks a modest estimate.
Some were scared off by McKenna’s modest pre-season scores but his role off half-back looks very favourable. He is averaging six intercepts per game and kicking at 82 per cent efficiency across his first two matches and is a reliable on-field option who the Lions will continue to use out of defence.
Reuben Ginbey has been a shining light for the Eagles. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images
Ashcroft had a minor blip on debut but showed his class with 31 disposals, 15 contested possessions, nine clearances, a goal and 105 points against the Dees. The 21 per cent of coaches who don’t own Ashcroft, take heed: he is capable of producing these scores on a regular basis.
Ginbey has attended the third most centre-bounces for the Eagles and will continue to be used through the midfield or across half-back. His defensive intent has been impressive over the first two rounds, laying 18 tackles, and is another who you can trust on-field.
BUY
Kade Chandler (Melb) $123,900 FWD | Av 82 | BE: -94
Cam Mackenzie (Haw) $180,300 MID | Av 73 | BE: -43
Charlie Constable (GC) $123,900 DEF | Av 61.5 | BE: -53
Noah Long (WC) $117,300 MID/FWD | Av 63 | BE -59
There is a slight question mark as to whether Chandler can hold his spot when Kysaiah Pickett returns from suspension. But after seeing his performances across the last fortnight, I think Chandler should still be in the Demons’ best 22. The forward has managed to hit the scoreboard in both matches, has used the ball well and showed his defensive traits with seven tackles in round 1.
We’ve seen rookies who look to have shaky job security play their way into a side with promising form in past seasons, and Pickett’s enhanced role through the midfield should also help Chandler’s cause. With a tantalising break even of -94, it is definitely a risk worth taking.
Kade Chandler is making it hard for Melbourne coaches to leave him out. Picture: Jonathan Ng
If you’re unsure of job security up forward, Long is your guy. The last selection of the 2022 national draft has burst onto the scene as a hardworking small forward, hitting the target with all seven of his disposals on the way to 62 points against the Giants, backing up his score of 63 in round 1. The rebuilding Eagles should look to give him as much senior opportunity as possible.
Constable looked to be in danger of losing his spot to Lachie Weller but the midfielder turned defender continued in a favourable role against the Bombers, taking three kick-ins to Weller’s four. The Suns still have Wil Powell to return in the coming weeks but fellow cheapie Bodhi Uwland looks to be the most vulnerable.
I am still bullish on the hopes of Mackenzie despite his centre bounce numbers dropping against the Swans. His ball-use is first class and he should continue to receive midfield opportunity, as he did in his 93-point debut.
HOLD/LOW-PRIORITY BUY
Tom Cole (WC) $182,300 DEF | Av 65 | BE -27
Anthony Caminiti (StK) $102,400 FWD | Av 54 | BE: -49
Darcy Wilmot (Bris) $123,900 DEF | Av 60 | BE: -49
Ollie Hollands (Carl) $162,300 MID | Av 64 | BE: -35
Mattaes Phillipou (StK) $166,800 MID/FWD | Av 68 | BE: -40
Josh Bruce (WB) $161,200 FWD | Av 62 | BE: -33
Luke Pedlar (Adel) $173,400 FWD | Av 59.5 | BE: -21
Alwyn Davey (Ess) $117,300 MID/FWD | Av 52 | BE: -37
Fergus Greene (Haw) $123,900 FWD | Av 41 | BE: -12
Max Michalanney (Adel) $135,300 DEF | Av 55 | BE: -33
Toby McLean (WB) $178,900 MID/FWD | BE: 18
Lachie Cowan (Carl) $117,300 DEF | Av 44.5 | BE: -23
Miller Bergman (NM) $123,900 DEF | Av 53.5 | BE: -37
I wouldn’t be going out of my way to bring in these cash cows unless you already have the top bunch of rookies along with Setterfield and Ziebell. And if you have, well… must be nice!
Cole looks to be a lock for the Eagles’ best 22 and could be a downgrade move from Liam Jones, and Ollie Hollands isn’t going anywhere either after 21 disposals and some gutsy efforts against the Cats.
Wilmot and Phillipou haven’t been high-possession winners but have been making every disposal count. Phillipou, in particular, highlighted his high impact as a forward with three goals and 59 points from just seven touches against the Western Bulldogs.
Mattaes Phillipou has star power at the Saints. Picture: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images
Alwyn Davey Jr is an exciting prospect. Picture: Quinn Rooney/Getty Images
His teammate Caminiti looms as a potential trade-in option if you absolutely need the extra $20k. While he will be a slow burn, his 73-point effort showed he can produce spike scores.
Greene has been moved on by quite a few teams, but his score of 49 on the weekend was well unders due to his goalkicking. The mature-age recruit booted an inaccurate 0.4 and should receive more opportunities against the Roos this week if you can afford to hold.
Same goes for Pedlar, who missed two gettable set shots in his score of 36.
WAIT
Samson Ryan (Rich) $123,900 RUC/FWD
Hayden Crozier (WB) $218,500 DEF
Ryan should be a very popular rookie option next week if he can hold his spot until round 4. A FWD-RUC in KFC SuperCoach, Ryan posted 72 points from six disposals thanks to three goals and two contested marks. A trade from Esava Ratugolea or Nick Madden is on the cards.
And while many have their sights set on discount defender Jack Bowes, Crozier produced a stellar effort last round. Crozier finished with 22 disposals, 10 marks, eight intercepts, six rebound 50s and 96 points and is one to keep an eye out for on Thursday night.
PASS
Jye Menzie (Ess) $154,200 FWD | Av 52 | BE: -39
Charlie Comben (NM) $123,900 RUC/FWD | Av 47.5 | BE: -25
Bodhi Uwland (GC) $123,900 DEF | Av 45.5 | BE: -21
Menzie has slotted two goals in each of his first two games but does he come straight out for Jake Stringer when he is fit? Either way, he probably isn’t worth jumping on at his inflated price.
Normal service resumed for Comben with a score of 12 on the weekend, while Uwland’s spot could come under question after just the five touches against Gold Coast.
Charlie Comben in action at North Melbourne training. Picture: Michael Klein
SELL/HOLD
Campbell Chesser $123,900 DEF/MID | Av 23.5 | BE: 23
Josh Goater (NM) $192,700 DEF/MID | Av 56 | BE -3
Ben King (GC) $176,300 FWD | Av 44.5 | BE: 11
Esava Ratugolea $174,000 FWD/RUC | Av 43 | BE: 13
Feel free to hold these rookies if you think they can produce a spike game or don’t fit into your trade plans, but by all means trade if you feel like off-loading.
Chesser has struggled to have an impact in his first two games and could be dropped – which means he can serve as a handy emergency loophole with his dual position status.
King bounced back with 70 points but faces the Cats this weekend, while his possible round three opponent Ratugolea’s role as a key defender may not be as lucrative as first hoped.
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Ryan looks to be a part of your future forward line, but im not sure it works regulalrly, while Jack and Tom are both fit. I'd be happy with him as a slow burn R3 and ditching Madden. Sure as he'll don't need a dedicated C loop with all the injuries and let's face it, looping Laird in round 1 sucked balls.
Do you think Ryan will hang around for a while?
Ryan looks to be a part of your future forward line, but im not sure it works regulalrly, while Jack and Tom are both fit. I'd be happy with him as a slow burn R3 and ditching Madden. Sure as he'll don't need a dedicated C loop with all the injuries and let's face it, looping Laird in round 1 sucked balls.
Do you think Ryan will hang around for a while?
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What are peoples thoughts around Chandler, Long and Phillips if named? I'll be bringing in 1 and don't mind that the first 2 have had a price range but curious to know how others would rate them.
Chandler has been scoring well, is in a good team but competition for spots will continue. Long looks pretty good and should continue to get a run of games, just whether his role supports scoring and Phillips, good role when gettings CBA's but seems to be that fringe onballer and with Simpkin and LDU back might see more sub time.
Chandler has been scoring well, is in a good team but competition for spots will continue. Long looks pretty good and should continue to get a run of games, just whether his role supports scoring and Phillips, good role when gettings CBA's but seems to be that fringe onballer and with Simpkin and LDU back might see more sub time.