Strategy 2023: Round 6 Trades

[7/11]

He probably already has Bont.

Neale I am worried about from an SC POV. Last year, with Lyons slowing (even if it was injury related), Neale was generally the first Lions player to get his hands to the ball. McCluggage could do it to a degree but it was a fraction of the time, and other guys who rotated through like Bailey or Robertson weren't doing it either. Now Dunkley and Ashcroft both can get their hands to the ball as well as McCluggage not going away either, so it's not that Neale is taking a backseat but it's more that he doesn't have to do absolutely everything himself. He'll probably still finish as a top 8 midfielder but I don't think he'll be top three.

Been watching Neale quite closely, having owned him from round 1, and I’ve actually been impressed with his output. The first few rounds there were a lot of ‘almost’ moments that stopped him from scoring big.

Dunkley and Ashcroft haven’t been impacting him too much in and around stoppages. If anything, Dunkley is enhancing Neale’s scoring like he did for Macrae at the Bulldogs. Ashcroft’s involvement has been negligible the last couple of weeks in terms of impacting Neale. He receives a lot of handballs from Neale and Dunkley I’ve noticed rather than winning much of his own ball.

Last week Neale obviously dominated, but I could see it building with his first 4 rounds of scoring despite some people bemoaning their disappointment in his scoring.

Apart from the fact Neale has the round 12 bye, he has a pretty good draw the next 6 weeks. I see GWS and Fremantle in round 7 as more opportunities to go nuts. Especially if there is no tag forthcoming.

 

[Chumpion]

Been watching Neale quite closely, having owned him from round 1, and I’ve actually been impressed with his output. The first few rounds there were a lot of ‘almost’ moments that stopped him from scoring big.

Dunkley and Ashcroft haven’t been impacting him too much in and around stoppages. If anything, Dunkley is enhancing Neale’s scoring like he did for Macrae at the Bulldogs. Ashcroft’s involvement has been negligible the last couple of weeks in terms of impacting Neale. He receives a lot of handballs from Neale and Dunkley I’ve noticed rather than winning much of his own ball.

Last week Neale obviously dominated, but I could see it building with his first 4 rounds of scoring despite some people bemoaning their disappointment in his scoring.

Apart from the fact Neale has the round 12 bye, he has a pretty good draw the next 6 weeks. I see GWS and Fremantle in round 7 as more opportunities to go nuts. Especially if there is no tag forthcoming.

Completely agree! As a Neale owner his fundamental issue this season is he has gone missing in most 3rd quarters. Will often be on 60 at HT and then 70-75 at 3QT. He’s otherwise looked really good, and although his points output has been painful (till last week) I haven’t been too stressed with him as a starting pick.

 

[Bontempele]

Both fair questions...
Biggest issue with Johnson is that he's been sub twice already, and Freo are playing pretty average footy at the moment meaning that no one is set in their position. I think I might end up being swayed to grab him though as it's the smarter choice over Mitchell.

Williams I haven't watched enough of, so going off comments I've seen about slightly shaky JS (but think that's the case with all downgrade options). Georgiades was dropped along with a couple others for Williams to come in. He then kicked 3 goals in the VFL - so he must be close to returning.

Mitchell passed the eye test for me, but given some time i've looked at who's pushing for selection/ returning from injury and although he helps with Def/Fwd status it might be best to wait on him to see if he locks a spot.

I'm going to keep Ginbey as a POD. He's shown that he has a high ceiling. While Mckenna hasn't lit the world on fire, and he might have some tough assignments with Toby Green and Walters as potential matchups in coming weeks.
On the other hand, West Coast have Port, Carlton, Richmond, Suns and Hawks as their next few opponents. Hoping he gets back to his early form after only having to play half a game this week before being subbed to be managed. While he has a high BE this week, after that it goes back down and he looks more likely to get $400k than McKenna.

Yeah I think the risk with Mitchell is that he could score 30 next week and not really go up. But I take your about Johnson being sub. Not sure Georgy would come in for Williams - I think it's more likely he'd come in for either a forward or McKenzie if he plays down back. But Jonas is probably returning, so WIlliams might miss out this week anyway!

Yeah that's fair enough, probably a 50-50 with Ginbey vs McKenna. I think given they are similar average I'd just lean towards keeping the guy with a lower BE.

 

[PC]

I play Witt-less 24/7

I thought Touk was a smart footballer.

If anyone can

Touk can

Plenty of Witt [sic] on display in this thread

 

[jaca]

Ginbey, Chandler, Caminiti to Neale, Roberta, Williams

 

[randomcliche]

I’m in for a triple down (all bubble boys), but if we must go two down one up, then Stewart.

 

[Montyjnr]

Better defender to bring in this week out of Stewart v Sinclair?

Current lean is Sinclair - durability, $50k cheaper and next three games at marvel.

Stewart is a top 3 defender.

Sinclair is playing a weird midfield/defender hybrid role and has lost his monopoly on the kick-ins. Steele back might help him, but there is still a genuine risk you are forking out 547K for a guy that averages 95-100 and isn't top 6.

 

[ACmonster]

Ginbey/Long/Baker to Touk/Roberts/Williams

Would have liked to find a way of including Cowan in the outs but I don't like the sub $590k upgrade options (with the exception of Merrett..)

 

[ScottishBomber]

I would wait a week on moving Setterfield, in theory with Merrett out he should get more mid time this week?

This has crossed my mind to be honest. Will need to reevaluate.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

This has crossed my mind to be honest. Will need to reevaluate.

I can completely understand why waiting a week or more and also why to trade him.

Whilst not a big upgrade to Touk Miller, if hebholds value and I manage to keep some others rookies going up in price it still is an incremental gain.

Question is scoring role, cba’s or who he plays dependent. Pies not as tight on restricting opposition but will be a good test this week.

 

[Spifflicator]

Not sure I want to be paying top dollar for Cameron….whilst in great form I would prefer to take Cogs who will deliver similar output and save you coin that can be spent on upgrading another rookie off field

What about Hawkins who has dropped $89k, to around $430k? Seems to have started slow with the foot injury and now seems back to his best with B2B tons. I’m considering him over my current upgrade of Stewart (swing Ziebell back), as it leaves me enough cash to get Laird next week.

So many sliding door type trades this week.

 

[donnybuang]

Stewart is a top 3 defender.

Sinclair is playing a weird midfield/defender hybrid role and has lost his monopoly on the kick-ins. Steele back might help him, but there is still a genuine risk you are forking out 547K for a guy that averages 95-100 and isn't top 6.

Could have told me that last week when I chose Sinclair over Stewart 🤣 😪

 

[ScottishBomber]

I can completely understand why waiting a week or more and also why to trade him.

Whilst not a big upgrade to Touk Miller, if hebholds value and I manage to keep some others rookies going up in price it still is an incremental gain.

Question is scoring role, cba’s or who he plays dependent. Pies not as tight on restricting opposition but will be a good test this week.

Have now decided to go double down:

Mackenzie to Johnson
Chandler to Williams

Next week looking at double upgrade Ginbey to Sicily and Setterfield to Parish or a fallen premo mid, maybe back to Steele.

 

[N29]

Stewart is a top 3 defender.

Sinclair is playing a weird midfield/defender hybrid role and has lost his monopoly on the kick-ins. Steele back might help him, but there is still a genuine risk you are forking out 547K for a guy that averages 95-100 and isn't top 6.

Top 6 yes, I'm not convinced top 3 with any certainty myself. Has had two big scores yes but has also played the teams sitting 16th, 17th and 18th. He also comes with injury and tag concerns. Would anyone's opinion change if Ryan Clarke came in this week for Sydney? 27 disp in the reserves.

Might get Keays in two weeks also.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Have now decided to go double down:

Mackenzie to Johnson
Chandler to Williams

Next week looking at double upgrade Ginbey to Sicily and Setterfield to Parish or a fallen premo mid, maybe back to Steele.

No upgrade?
Ginbey sounds like he will play more defense this week, however I think his main scoring has been when in mids. High BE.

I like the Chandler run coming back and remain hopefully he can push his value higher. Brought him in at $200k, maybe I am prepared to give more flex

 

[OnTopBar]

Too many choices this week with who to trade out and bring in, I definitely want Daicos, just can't resist his slootyness any longer, plus my defence is weak as piss.
I'll use another boost but might buck the trend by keeping Ginbey as he can hold down D6 when Day comes back off the bench next week
Mackenzie is pretty much in the same boat, might lose a little in the short term but has scored an 89 & 93, he can hold down M8 for a while when Green comes in from the bench next week.
So rather than lose 2 rookies who've shown that they can perform, I'll lose 2 'underforming' ones instead and upgrade another slow burner, obviously I have to keep the cash gen going so have to choose 2 out of the 3 rookies available this week, going with Roberts by virtue of his lower BE and ability to score, yes, JS is an issue over Johnson but his BE-1 means he might be still within reach next week. Williams can come in because he suits my structure as well. Mitchell and Wagner are also on the radar as downgrades.

Trades:

Wilmot > Roberts
Baker > Williams
Cowan > Daicos

My defence is by far my weakest line, bringing in Daicos, moving Sheezel back, keeping Ginbey along with Day coming back next week has pretty much fixed that line in one fell swoop for now.

 

[ACmonster]

No upgrade?
Ginbey sounds like he will play more defense this week, however I think his main scoring has been when in mids. High BE.

I like the Chandler run coming back and remain hopefully he can push his value higher. Brought him in at $200k, maybe I am prepared to give more flex

I'm in exactly the same position re Chandler

 

[mwross91]

Few interesting option currently:

OPTION 1:
Cowan > Lloyd
Baker > Roberts
Davey > Williams

OPTION 2:
Cowan > Stewart
Baker > Roberts
Wilmot > Williams

Option 3:
Cowan > Roberts
Baker > Williams
Ginbey/Jones > Touk

Essentially:
Remove my 3 worst rookies, and grab LLOYD
Remove bench rookies and grab STEWART
Remove one playing rookie and grab TOUK (or anyone up to $660k)

I feel like option 2 feels right but Touk and Lloyd feel better value.
Would love some input!

 

[N29]

I would be prioritising Touk personally with his draw coming up. So option 3 for me.

 

[OnTopBar]

Few interesting option currently:

OPTION 1:
Cowan > Lloyd
Baker > Roberts
Davey > Williams

OPTION 2:
Cowan > Stewart
Baker > Roberts
Wilmot > Williams

Option 3:
Cowan > Roberts
Baker > Williams
Ginbey/Jones > Touk

Essentially:
Remove my 3 worst rookies, and grab LLOYD
Remove bench rookies and grab STEWART
Remove one playing rookie and grab TOUK (or anyone up to $660k)

I feel like option 2 feels right but Touk and Lloyd feel better value.
Would love some input!

I like option 1 personally, you're essentially upgrading a non playing rookie in Davey > Lloyd, can't really see him coming back for quite a while, particularly with Snelling doing so well.