2014: Retirements, Delistings and Trade Rumours
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I don't expect immediate week in, week out and awesome output from Jaksch next year, but the underlying talent is there and we needed someone else on the list that truly allows us to be flexible with Henderson going forward without sacrificing quality at either end. I'm optimistic Jaksch won't be a bust for the club, great long kick and was spoiling balls against Henderson all game when they beat us this year. Hopefully he can take a great contested mark - it's one thing we strongly value so I'm assuming he has it in him. We've only dropped 12 places in the draft order and will probably still get a very good player to work with there, given the supposed evenness of the draft from pick 6-20. If there is someone available, I'd be hoping for a pacy outside midfielder with accurate foot skills to address that gap in our young midfield brigade.
I noticed Whiley in their game against Collingwood this year - looks like we really have someone to work with there. If he develops as rapidly away from GWS as Miles, we really have done well in the trade.
I noticed Whiley in their game against Collingwood this year - looks like we really have someone to work with there. If he develops as rapidly away from GWS as Miles, we really have done well in the trade.
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Doubt it. Probably not even top 5 but it was a decent day of trades.
In 1986 Sydney Swans had Geoffrey Edelsten owner. He got Hafey as coach, Greg Williams from Geelong, Bernard Toohey from Geelong, Gerard Healy from Melbourne and Merv Neagle from Essendon. Not seen anything like it in all my time following footy in one off season. There were probably other players but those guys were all gun players of that time that come straight to mind that almost made Swans a gun team overnight. With Healy and Williams in centre they played some amazing football at times. Either that season or next, Sydney had a 3 week period where they kicked 30 goals or more three weeks in a row. It was amazing. They never won a flag from that though. Actually come to think of it. Hawks got Platten in 1986. Carlton got Kernahan, Bradley, Naley and Motley. Those guys were not transfers from other clubs in the league. They were recruited from South Australia. 1986 off season was massive. Those 3 clubs I think were basically best of that season.
Getting back to this year though. What is fascinating though about this year is how many players that a month ago no one saw going actually left for new clubs.
There was no serious talk at all of Bulldogs captain going, Christensen going, Beams going and Boyd going but it has happened. Bit of a shock.
Greenwood I never saw happening too. Every one of those clubs own supporters would never saw any of those guys going. Gotta say I reckon Cats the biggest losers this trade period and hard to go past Lions as biggest winners. Lions got two genuine quality mids ready to be in their prime and they did not lose any of their established young guns. Patfull is gone but at his age it is no massive loss for longer term. One young mid was worth giving up to get these trades done. You would rather give up Crisp than Aish or Taylor or Mayes. Given their list is young, pick 5 was well and truly worth also giving up.
In 1986 Sydney Swans had Geoffrey Edelsten owner. He got Hafey as coach, Greg Williams from Geelong, Bernard Toohey from Geelong, Gerard Healy from Melbourne and Merv Neagle from Essendon. Not seen anything like it in all my time following footy in one off season. There were probably other players but those guys were all gun players of that time that come straight to mind that almost made Swans a gun team overnight. With Healy and Williams in centre they played some amazing football at times. Either that season or next, Sydney had a 3 week period where they kicked 30 goals or more three weeks in a row. It was amazing. They never won a flag from that though. Actually come to think of it. Hawks got Platten in 1986. Carlton got Kernahan, Bradley, Naley and Motley. Those guys were not transfers from other clubs in the league. They were recruited from South Australia. 1986 off season was massive. Those 3 clubs I think were basically best of that season.
Getting back to this year though. What is fascinating though about this year is how many players that a month ago no one saw going actually left for new clubs.
There was no serious talk at all of Bulldogs captain going, Christensen going, Beams going and Boyd going but it has happened. Bit of a shock.
Greenwood I never saw happening too. Every one of those clubs own supporters would never saw any of those guys going. Gotta say I reckon Cats the biggest losers this trade period and hard to go past Lions as biggest winners. Lions got two genuine quality mids ready to be in their prime and they did not lose any of their established young guns. Patfull is gone but at his age it is no massive loss for longer term. One young mid was worth giving up to get these trades done. You would rather give up Crisp than Aish or Taylor or Mayes. Given their list is young, pick 5 was well and truly worth also giving up.
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The logic to your post is all there and correct.
BUT lol as a supporter I'm thrilled with the move.
The risk is blowing money we need to spend anyways. The potential reward we all know what it is.
However sometimes the message is important too. And for long suffering fans it's the message we wanted. I struggle to find a Bulldog fan who is unhappy. We all agree we have paid well overs but we all agree we had to do it. My whole life all I have heard is "the doggies are great but lacking that big FWD" my whole life we have had band aid solutions. The only power forward that was anything decent was Barry Hall. But that was for only one season. One season too late. All he did was replace Johno and Aka's goals that they stopped scoring.
The way I see Boyd is we have an up and down straight draw after already having the 2nd highest pair on the table, and also have a flush draw. There are about 15 cards left in the deck to make our hand. GWS have gone all in and we have called with still an ok sized stack to work from if the card does not drop lol.
I know two families that took a punt on "useless" farm land 30 years ago. Sold their house and at that time paid a whopping $300k. The bank balance of these families is now $120 million and $70 million lol. Sometimes you need to make the far fetched play. And if your not going to make the play when your salaries are low and can juggle this easily, your so called captain demands to leave or wont play, you coach resigns, your members have had enough, then when will you lol.
All in all even if he is a flop, Bulldog fans themselves wont say we farked up hard and attack the club, we will say at least we showed everyone we can pull off and have the balls to make a move. It's restored the faith and hope that was lost only a week ago. It's shown in the free agency era we can attract players in high demand, not just lose them. We are not insignificant.
The way I also see it is Griffen was a dead ship thats 28/29. His value plummeted with the perception being he either played at GWS, or stayed home. There was talk of pick 4 but I dont see it, why would GWS pay high knowing at 1:30 we would crumble to accept pick 7 and steak knives. If that. They would have played us at our game and taken pick 1 off the saints next year for Boyd. And get Griffen for free.
So essentially I view it as we have swapped pick 6 in exchange for Tom Boyd. Compo picks could be gone next year, if they stay then it was pick 6 + Griffen compo pick for a player that would have been #1 again this season if he was in the draft. Considering last season Griffen + 4 (Bontemempelli) probably wouldn't have been enough to get pick 1 (Boyd) I think we have done extremely well to end up with both bonts and boyd.
We have also covered our bases with a 7 year deal. Most likely he will be a great player. So if clubs come chasing they have to pay.
All in all I'm very happy to have taken the risk
Griffen at GWS means the #1 tag goes to him (assuming so).
That frees up Ward and possibly even Treloar/Greene.
Gonna be an interesting dilemma for me next year because it will be my first time having a GWS player in my team
That frees up Ward and possibly even Treloar/Greene.
Gonna be an interesting dilemma for me next year because it will be my first time having a GWS player in my team
Not sure if these are confirmed but...
Some big Trades have been Completed!
Trade 1:
Port Received: Patrick Ryder.
Essendon Received: Pick 17 & 37
Trade 2:
Essendon Received: Adam Cooney
Western Bulldogs Received: Pick 37.
Trade 3:
Essendon Received: Jonathan Giles and Pick 62.
GWS Received: Pick 53.
Some big Trades have been Completed!
Trade 1:
Port Received: Patrick Ryder.
Essendon Received: Pick 17 & 37
Trade 2:
Essendon Received: Adam Cooney
Western Bulldogs Received: Pick 37.
Trade 3:
Essendon Received: Jonathan Giles and Pick 62.
GWS Received: Pick 53.
Giles Averaged 74 ish last year, which will probably put him in the $380k - $400k mark. A bit in-between for me, he was a pretty good pick a couple of years ago when rookie priced.
I would have enough concerns about his scoring potential to stay away.
Probably more so also because a fit Leunberger or Krezuer at a cheaper price would seem to be better value, emphasis on FIT.
I would have enough concerns about his scoring potential to stay away.
Probably more so also because a fit Leunberger or Krezuer at a cheaper price would seem to be better value, emphasis on FIT.
