2015: Rate My Team - Part II (SC Gold Team Picker Edition)

[Fluffywhitebirds]

Hi Fluffy
Allow me to explain. This is just what I said that I was comfortable with doing. By all means you should get that 5th premium mid if that's what you are comfortable with. However you said that the M11 would have to be compared to the 3rd best defence rookie, but I think you really should be comparing the 5th best defence rookie overall with the M11 tbh. There was a lack of back rookies in 2014 who were able to generate cash. The following is a list of all defence rookies that played from round 1 onwards along with their first score plus a little description of how much cash they made before their bye rounds.

Rookie Defenders from Round 1
Tom Langdon - 111: GOOD. Made $194k before his bye round.
Will Langford - 77: GOOD. Made $158k before his bye round.
Jeremy Laidler - 95: He had a high starting price and he missed his 2nd game despite being the top scorer for the whole of the Sydney Team. Made $115k before his bye round.
Luke McDonald - 48: Had a high starting price. Made $111k before his bye round.
Alexis Georgiou - 66: Played the first 7 games (his only 7 games of AFL) at an average of 45 so did not generate much cash. Made $83k before his bye round.

[The following rookies didn't play much]
Clay Cameron - 50: Played his first 4 games for an average of 44 points a game and did not play his next game until round 11. Made $29k
Tom Clurey - 31: This was his first and last game of 2014 so he did not generate any cash for any of the poor souls who started him.
Brodie Martin - 42: Played as the starting sub in round 7 and then didn't play another game until round 9. So he did not generate any cash before his bye round, in fact he lost $800 after his 3rd game.

Rookie Midfielders from Round 1
Jared Polec- 107: Made $274k
Dom Tyson - 111: Made $241k
Luke Dunstan - 100: Made $194k
Jamie Bennell - 68: Made $180k
James Aish - 61: Made $173k
Harry Cunningham - 66: Made $159k
Martin Gleeson - 59: Made $149k 7 games
Xavier Ellis - 66: Made $120k

[Others rookies who played round 1]
David Ellard - 120
Josh Saunders - 112
Viv Michie - 61
Eli Templeton - 44
Sean Lemmens - 37
Brad McKenzie - 35
Derick Wanganeen - 11
Jack Martin - 9
Dom Sheed - 7

As you can see even if I compared the the 3rd best defence rookie Laidler with the 7th best mid rookie Gleeson. Gleeson beats laidler on cash generation even though it wasn't much. But you really should be comparing the D8 with M11 which is about $66k which is almost double what Georgiou made. Also Georgiou didnt have much job security and couldn't make his way back into the squad. In a sense Georigou became dead weight and didn't make a hell of a lot. Gleeson ended up getting injured but had made a decent amount of cash by then.

So for example if this format was for last year it wud be something like this:
D5 Langdon, D6 Langford, (D7 Laidler, Lmac)
M4 Polec, M5 Tyson, M6 Dunstan, D7 Bennell, M8 Aish (M9 Cunningham, M10 Gleeson, M11 Ellis)

Of course this was only for 2014 so if more defence rookies pop up during the preseason, it would sway my decision but for now 4 premium mids & 7 rookies for me it is.

Thanks mate for the terrific and in-depth response! I think we are actually in agreement - you could justify a 5th premo mid subject to the rookie availability. One angle not reflected in the above is the premo trade-off implied by having, say, an extra defender vs an extra mid premo. For example, if the difference in rookie prices of having an extra mid spot was $66k, I'd much rather have and Andrew Swallow on the park than a Michael Hibberd (for example). Likely 10-15 PPP difference, which for me far outweighs the $66k...

 

[FirstTimer]

After some consultation with a few people at a few footy clubs came up with my latest squad based on performances at this time (Swanny excluded ) , some are different to others so thoughts pls , thx


Def: Smith, Shaw, Hibberd, Walker, Waters, Edwards (Goddard D/F, Johnson)
Mid: Ablett, Pendlebury, Rocky, Watson, Heeney, Boekhorst, Vandenberg, Freeman, (Lambert M/F, Krakouer M/F, Maynard D/M)
Ruc: Goldstein, Leuenberger (Read R/F)
Fwd: Deledio M/F, Franklin, Martin M/F, Swan M/F, Mitchell M/F, Clark (Hogan, Laverde M/F)

Cash Leftover $21,500

* Picked Walker because he is fully fit (for once) and a good scorer ,loves to run of half back and up or down sized wth ease
* Watson word is (Philzay back me up here ) he is chomping at the bit to play , great scorer and good price and fit , originally had Fyfe and Selwood , should i stay with them or leave Rocky and Watson or ?????
* Rucks pretty much set
* Forwards ok at this stage
* Rookies all subject to round 1 starting
Open to all suggestions here so let me have it boys and girls.

 

[dicksilverman]

After some consultation with a few people at a few footy clubs came up with my latest squad based on performances at this time (Swanny excluded ) , some are different to others so thoughts pls , thx


Def: Smith, Shaw, Hibberd, Walker, Waters, Edwards (Goddard D/F, Johnson)
Mid: Ablett, Pendlebury, Rocky, Watson, Heeney, Boekhorst, Vandenberg, Freeman, (Lambert M/F, Krakouer M/F, Maynard D/M)
Ruc: Goldstein, Leuenberger (Read R/F)
Fwd: Deledio M/F, Franklin, Martin M/F, Swan M/F, Mitchell M/F, Clark (Hogan, Laverde M/F)

Cash Leftover $21,500

* Picked Walker because he is fully fit (for once) and a good scorer ,loves to run of half back and up or down sized wth ease
* Watson word is (Philzay back me up here ) he is chomping at the bit to play , great scorer and good price and fit , originally had Fyfe and Selwood , should i stay with them or leave Rocky and Watson or ?????
* Rucks pretty much set
* Forwards ok at this stage
* Rookies all subject to round 1 starting
Open to all suggestions here so let me have it boys and girls.

nice looking team!

 

[Couch Coach]

After some consultation with a few people at a few footy clubs came up with my latest squad based on performances at this time (Swanny excluded ) , some are different to others so thoughts pls , thx

Ruc: Goldstein, Leuenberger (Read R/F)

* Rucks pretty much set

Question: What is the point of a R/F bench if there is no link in the forwards? Best donut player?

 

[freowho]

Question: What is the point of a R/F bench if there is no link in the forwards? Best donut player?

Even if you don't start with a link in the forward line you will probably end up needing a link when trades dry up in the second half of the year, either someone on the ground or an F7 who you use for loopholing scores in the forward line and cover for the rucks, so by planting the link at R3 now it is 1 less trade you will have to use during the year. Paddy Ryder is a good F6-F7 but you will probably pick him up a lot cheaper during the year.

 

[aj74]

After some consultation with a few people at a few footy clubs came up with my latest squad based on performances at this time (Swanny excluded ) , some are different to others so thoughts pls , thx


Def: Smith, Shaw, Hibberd, Walker, Waters, Edwards (Goddard D/F, Johnson)
Mid: Ablett, Pendlebury, Rocky, Watson, Heeney, Boekhorst, Vandenberg, Freeman, (Lambert M/F, Krakouer M/F, Maynard D/M)
Ruc: Goldstein, Leuenberger (Read R/F)
Fwd: Deledio M/F, Franklin, Martin M/F, Swan M/F, Mitchell M/F, Clark (Hogan, Laverde M/F)

Cash Leftover $21,500

* Picked Walker because he is fully fit (for once) and a good scorer ,loves to run of half back and up or down sized wth ease
* Watson word is (Philzay back me up here ) he is chomping at the bit to play , great scorer and good price and fit , originally had Fyfe and Selwood , should i stay with them or leave Rocky and Watson or ?????
* Rucks pretty much set
* Forwards ok at this stage
* Rookies all subject to round 1 starting
Open to all suggestions here so let me have it boys and girls.

Nice team. Though I think there are question marks over Maynard's endurance (otherwise he would have gone a lot higher than he did). Keep an eye on him over summer as I can see him spending a fair bit of time in the magoos next year, building up a tank.

Here's my first crack. Haven't checked who's injured or anything

B: Simpson, Heater, Seeeeds, Mayes, Whitecross, Marsh (H Goddard, D McKenzie)
M: Gaz, Pendles, J Selwood, Dangerfield, van Berlo, Heeney, Laverde, Freeman (Boekhurst, Lambert M/F, Krak M/F)
R: NicNat, Luey (Wright R/F)
F: Lids, Ryder, D Martin M/F, Swan M/F, Wingard, Petracca M/F (Steele, Clark)

10/11/9 bye structure and 88k left over.

I don't like the looks of the forward rookies so have picked keepers, or players with "ready to go" bodies. Reckon Salem would be good down there too as he has the right bye and is a whole lot better than his 32.5 average from last year. Will watch over summer.

Hate what I see in the backs this year and am mindful of how expensive backs can make poor value. Taking a punt on a few. Marsh was close to a call up before ripping his hammy in 2014 so should hopefully be in the frame for round 1

 

[FirstTimer]

Hi Aj ,
Imo concern on Whitecross and how many games he will play with or without the vest , Marsh whats the reports on him this year and like your Mayes pick as he could be a stand out this year and Ryder hasn't been in a lot of teams although he might turn out to be a good POD and Petracca , lots of discussion he will wear the vest in early games so just be wary , good side

 

[DMCC10]

What do you guys think of this one? Due to the lack of defensive rookies i have decided to load up on this line. In total i have 13 premiums plus 4 mid pricers (Gilbert, Waters, Biggs, Mitchell) which i think is pretty good as it gives the side balance. Thoughts?

DEF: Kade Simpson, Heath Shaw, Michael Hibberd, Shannon Hurn, Sam Gilbert, Beau Waters (Hugh Goddard, Harry Wigg)
MID: Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Patrick Dangerfield, Shane Biggs, Blaine Boekhorst, Nathan Freeman, Trent Dumont (Jack Steele, Touk Miller, Kane Lambert)
RUC: Todd Goldstein, Nic Naitanui (Toby Nankervis)
FWD: Brendon Goddard, Dustin Martin, Dane Swan, Tom Mitchell, Mitch Clark, Jesse Hogan (Jayden Laverde, Caleb Daniel)

SALARY: $12,100
BYES: 8/12/10

 

[Junior Wölf]

What do you guys think of this one? Due to the lack of defensive rookies i have decided to load up on this line. In total i have 13 premiums plus 4 mid pricers (Gilbert, Waters, Biggs, Mitchell) which i think is pretty good as it gives the side balance. Thoughts?

DEF: Kade Simpson, Heath Shaw, Michael Hibberd, Shannon Hurn, Sam Gilbert, Beau Waters (Hugh Goddard, Harry Wigg)
MID: Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Patrick Dangerfield, Shane Biggs, Blaine Boekhorst, Nathan Freeman, Trent Dumont (Jack Steele, Touk Miller, Kane Lambert)
RUC: Todd Goldstein, Nic Naitanui (Toby Nankervis)
FWD: Brendon Goddard, Dustin Martin, Dane Swan, Tom Mitchell, Mitch Clark, Jesse Hogan (Jayden Laverde, Caleb Daniel)

SALARY: $12,100
BYES: 8/12/10

A great new team structure. Very nice work. You had hope that most of the defenders are keepers. I feel that you could swap one 400k defender for a 500k m/f as they will score better.

 

[Rowsus]

A great new team structure. Very nice work. You had hope that most of the defenders are keepers. I feel that you could swap one 400k defender for a 500k m/f as they will score better.

How does he achieve that with only $12,100 left over?

 

[Junior Wölf]

How does he achieve that with only $12,100 left over?

Hopefully magic but if he traded Heath Shaw at $497,800 to a Josh McGuinness at $117,300 leaving him $380,500. And upgrades Daniel Caleb $117,300 with the $380,500 and the $12,100 that comes to $509,900 which is very close to a Harley Bennell at $514,600.

 

[Hasnoshoes]

After a whole bunch of revisions this is what my team looks like at the moment. Keepers are in bold and explanations below.

B: Simpson, Smith, Hibberd, Walker, Hurn, Waters (Whitecross, Goddard)
M: Ablett, Rockliff, Griffin, van Berlo, Heeney, Vandenburg, Freeman, Boekhurst (Steele, Lambert, Cavka)
R: NicNat, Luey (Cox)
F: Deledio, Goddard, D Martin, Swan, Mitchell, Clarke (Hogan, Krak)

Leftover = $67,700
Byes - 10/10/10
Keepers = 14

Rookies are obviously just guesswork at the moment and will change come round 1.

Backline - Let's face it, we only ever get one or maybe two good defender rookies a year. I've decided to load up the backline with 5 keepers and a value pick. Whitecross is essentially a rookie with a good chance of playing games.

Midfield - I don't care how expensive they are or what's going on with their teams, Gaz and Rocky are the two best scoring players in the comp and you can't afford to miss their captain/loophole points. Griffin is a value keeper (hopefully). The rest of the midfield are rookies because they prove time and time again to bring the best returns and it just makes more sense to me to load up the forward and backline early. This is obviously subject to change if it looks like there just aren't enough starting round 1.

Rucks - To be honest my rucks have changed more than any other position and will probably change by round 1. Right now they just fit in with my team structure.

Forwards - So many good premium options here so I've loaded up on five (hopefully) keepers with Swan & Mitchell bringing a bit of value too. Rookies seem pretty standard here.

Would love to hear some feedback!

 

[Hasnoshoes]

After a whole bunch of revisions this is what my team looks like at the moment. Keepers are in bold and explanations below.

B: Simpson, Smith, Hibberd, Walker, Hurn, Waters (Whitecross, Goddard)
M: Ablett, Rockliff, Griffin, van Berlo, Heeney, Vandenburg, Freeman, Boekhurst (Steele, Lambert, Cavka)
R: NicNat, Luey (Cox)
F: Deledio, Goddard, D Martin, Swan, Mitchell, Clarke (Hogan, Krak)

Leftover = $67,700
Byes - 10/10/10
Keepers = 14

Rookies are obviously just guesswork at the moment and will change come round 1.

Backline - Let's face it, we only ever get one or maybe two good defender rookies a year. I've decided to load up the backline with 5 keepers and a value pick. Whitecross is essentially a rookie with a good chance of playing games.

Midfield - I don't care how expensive they are or what's going on with their teams, Gaz and Rocky are the two best scoring players in the comp and you can't afford to miss their captain/loophole points. Griffin is a value keeper (hopefully). The rest of the midfield are rookies because they prove time and time again to bring the best returns and it just makes more sense to me to load up the forward and backline early. This is obviously subject to change if it looks like there just aren't enough starting round 1.

Rucks - To be honest my rucks have changed more than any other position and will probably change by round 1. Right now they just fit in with my team structure.

Forwards - So many good premium options here so I've loaded up on five (hopefully) keepers with Swan & Mitchell bringing a bit of value too. Rookies seem pretty standard here.

Would love to hear some feedback!

 

[Junior Wölf]

After a whole bunch of revisions this is what my team looks like at the moment. Keepers are in bold and explanations below.

B: Simpson, Smith, Hibberd, Walker, Hurn, Waters (Whitecross, Goddard)
M: Ablett, Rockliff, Griffin, van Berlo, Heeney, Vandenburg, Freeman, Boekhurst (Steele, Lambert, Cavka)
R: NicNat, Luey (Cox)
F: Deledio, Goddard, D Martin, Swan, Mitchell, Clarke (Hogan, Krak)

Leftover = $67,700
Byes - 10/10/10
Keepers = 14

Great team. I am tempted more and more to have a 4 premo midfield structure, thus having one more keeper in either defence/forward line. My only concern in the whole team is NVB. With Tex gaining captaincy, what does that mean for him? With a maturing midfield group at Adelaide, do the crows need NVB round 1?

 

[Courtesans]

What do you guys think of this one? Due to the lack of defensive rookies i have decided to load up on this line. In total i have 13 premiums plus 4 mid pricers (Gilbert, Waters, Biggs, Mitchell) which i think is pretty good as it gives the side balance. Thoughts?

DEF: Kade Simpson, Heath Shaw, Michael Hibberd, Shannon Hurn, Sam Gilbert, Beau Waters (Hugh Goddard, Harry Wigg)
MID: Gary Ablett, Scott Pendlebury, Joel Selwood, Patrick Dangerfield, Shane Biggs, Blaine Boekhorst, Nathan Freeman, Trent Dumont (Jack Steele, Touk Miller, Kane Lambert)
RUC: Todd Goldstein, Nic Naitanui (Toby Nankervis)
FWD: Brendon Goddard, Dustin Martin, Dane Swan, Tom Mitchell, Mitch Clark, Jesse Hogan (Jayden Laverde, Caleb Daniel)

SALARY: $12,100
BYES: 8/12/10

I like this team, and I can't put a finger on it as to why. Seems to me like a good mix of premiums, a bit of risk of mid pricers' with reason. Like the set and forget rucks. Getting 8 players on the park in the midfield consistently in the first 8-10 rounds will I think be difficult for us all. DPP F/M be invaluable.

 

[aj74]

Thanks First Timer.

Yeah I dunno about Whitecross either so will keep an eye out.

Marsh: He's been on a modified programme it seams. His hammy tear was pretty bad so he's no guarantee of a start. I've got him in my squad atm because he was close to a call up at the end of last year and the coaches were making all the right noises about him. He's tall and quick with a bunch of x-factor - a package in short supply at the club.

Thanks for the tip on Petracca. I see a report now mentioning his tank needs work. Will save 100k and just go for Hogan.

Going NVB to Anderson as well for another 80k or so.

Can go Whitecross to Waters (assuming he even gets on the park) -70k or so

Leaves D8 a choice between Whitecross, Marsh and a promising rookie. I'll say Whitecross for the planning stage as it ties up more cash. (-70k)

I like Wright as a genuine R3 if the GCS talls break down again. Also ties up 85k that I can release before round 1 if it turns out that he isn't playing.

Heater to B. Smith for now. Will get Heater after his annual price dip/brainfade. (- 5k)

So its:

B: Simpson, B Smith, Seeeeeds, Mayes, Waters, Whitecross (Goddard, McKenzie)
M: Gaz, Pendles, Selwood, Danger, Anderson, Heeney, Laverde, Freeman (Boekhorst, Lambert, Krak)
R: Nic Nat, Leuey (Wright)
F: Lids, Ryder, Dusty, Swan, Wingard, Clark (Hoges, Steele)

If Waters, Leuey and Clark can hold it together and if I'm right about Seedsman, Mayes and Wingard taking the next step, then it's 16 keepers there with 100k in the kitty to upgrade any non-playing rookies. Byes are 11/10/9

 

[freowho]

I like this team, and I can't put a finger on it as to why. Seems to me like a good mix of premiums, a bit of risk of mid pricers' with reason. Like the set and forget rucks. Getting 8 players on the park in the midfield consistently in the first 8-10 rounds will I think be difficult for us all. DPP F/M be invaluable.

I've always covered my midfield from the backline and my rucks from the forward line but without many good D/M players it is going to put a lot of pressure on the forward line if I need to use it to cover 2 lines.

 

[Brettthejett]

Effort #v3.0

If and a big if Mayes Ibbo Seeeds Waters Krez Luey JZ Titch and TBC become keepers then i only need to fill 4 mid spots. wishful thinking i know
let me know what you think lads any feedback is appreciated

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Effort #v3.0

If and a big if Mayes Ibbo Seeeds Waters Krez Luey JZ Titch and TBC become keepers then i only need to fill 4 mid spots. wishful thinking i know
let me know what you think lads any feedback is appreciated

Hi Brett.

Just too many 'ifs' for my liking mate.

DEF: Just far too many midpricers here. Hurn is quite proven so I would keep him and then I would keep one other of the defenders you have chosen and change the rest. Just way too much risk involved and I would imagine it would take a lot of trades to fix this backline.

MID: 4 superstars. How can I possibly argue with any of these selections? Your opposition would be horrified to have to come up against that combo!

RUC: I had toyed with the idea of the Kreuzenberger but at this stage have decided against it. I think the chance of it working out is just too low to justify starting with them both. If one of them gets injured and hasn't yet made enough cash then it's going to be incredibly hard to bring in a decent ruckman unless you had piles of cash laying around. I think having one of them is ok but would try and turn the other into a 'set and forget' option.

FWD: I really like your forwards to be honest. I think all of the premium/midpricer picks have the potential to be keepers. There is risk involved with Ziebell and Belly but I think JZ could go 100+ if he stays injury free and Belly is required if you choose Leuey and/or Kreuzer plus he could end up as a decent F7 by seasons end. I think Mitch Clark is a must have at $155k too.

So all in all I would try to turn some defender midpricers into premiums and upgrade one of your rucks. It will take some serious shuffling to do that. Downgrading one of your forwards to Clark would be a good start I reckon.

Good luck this season mate.

 

[Brettthejett]

Hi Brett.

Just too many 'ifs' for my liking mate.

DEF: Just far too many midpricers here. Hurn is quite proven so I would keep him and then I would keep one other of the defenders you have chosen and change the rest. Just way too much risk involved and I would imagine it would take a lot of trades to fix this backline.

MID: 4 superstars. How can I possibly argue with any of these selections? Your opposition would be horrified to have to come up against that combo!

RUC: I had toyed with the idea of the Kreuzenberger but at this stage have decided against it. I think the chance of it working out is just too low to justify starting with them both. If one of them gets injured and hasn't yet made enough cash then it's going to be incredibly hard to bring in a decent ruckman unless you had piles of cash laying around. I think having one of them is ok but would try and turn the other into a 'set and forget' option.

FWD: I really like your forwards to be honest. I think all of the premium/midpricer picks have the potential to be keepers. There is risk involved with Ziebell and Belly but I think JZ could go 100+ if he stays injury free and Belly is required if you choose Leuey and/or Kreuzer plus he could end up as a decent F7 by seasons end. I think Mitch Clark is a must have at $155k too.

So all in all I would try to turn some defender midpricers into premiums and upgrade one of your rucks. It will take some serious shuffling to do that. Downgrading one of your forwards to Clark would be a good start I reckon.

Good luck this season mate.

Cheers mate i think 3 possibly 4 of the defs will be year long prospects not so sure on a couple of them.
would like to pick a prem ruck or even nic nat but only have 32k left atm
if i was to downgrade a fwd would be one of titch and jz but im pretty set on both tbh.