Position 2022: Ruck Discussion
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I reckon Jackson is the perfect option especially even more so with Hayes and or Strnadica hopefully with both or either being r/f to see who will be number 1 or 2 with Grundy
rather than overpay for
Gawn-who Jackson will take time away from
Darcy-with this achilles being mentioned with someone his size
nicnat-who knows whether he will continue with his scoring form last year
ROB-could potentially breakout
English-same as ROB
Preuss-if Flynn gets injured he would be a better option obviously
rather than overpay for
Gawn-who Jackson will take time away from
Darcy-with this achilles being mentioned with someone his size
nicnat-who knows whether he will continue with his scoring form last year
ROB-could potentially breakout
English-same as ROB
Preuss-if Flynn gets injured he would be a better option obviously
To be clear, I'd be surprised if the Bombers ran two rucks, that's the whole point of having Wright, imo, more that I'd have liked Draper to show out a bit more against his backups. Like if NicNat and Williams were against each other I'd expect dominance.
Good luck, could yet join you on that wagon! Rate him very highly as a prospect.
To be fair, if you take out the ACL's for NicNat his durability record is pretty good, missed just one game the previous two seasons.
I mean he's not great but it's hard to pretend Gawn is significantly better over the run either and Darcy is absolutely worse since entering the league.
I still struggle to reconcile the expectations on Jackson with what he needs to produce.
Being conservative with the forward premium cutoff he needs to average about 92+, personally I think that's more like 97+.
He averaged 77 over the 2nd half of last season, he averaged 76 in the finals. So you're still asking for an awful lot of improvement if you've got similar expectations of the forwards to myself.
There's no real strong indication of him average 95. There were 8 rucks in total who averaged that or higher last year. Gawn the only one in any real kind of ruck share, Marshall can be debated but he basically was #1 when he played with him and Ryder basically not playing together.
The best of the 2nd rucks would be McEvoy at 89 and even his scoring is significantly inflated from his time spent as the #1 solo ruck when others weren't playing for a good third of the season.
English managed 89 also, but is the same story as McEvoy and was actually the #1 ruck for a large chunk of the season.
I really like Jackson as a player and prospect but I do find it hard to see how he averages 95+ unless Gawn is injured. That's the territory of the very best KPF and the very best ruckmen and I don't see him being good enough at either just yet. It's not impossible but I'd definitely be far more surprised at him going 90+ than him being under 90.
If you genuinely don't think he's a keeper as a forward then you're taking him as a cash cow over all other options and I can't buy the story of him as a cash cow because realistically it doesn't exist, he's either a keeper or a bust.
Good luck, could yet join you on that wagon! Rate him very highly as a prospect.
To be fair, if you take out the ACL's for NicNat his durability record is pretty good, missed just one game the previous two seasons.
I mean he's not great but it's hard to pretend Gawn is significantly better over the run either and Darcy is absolutely worse since entering the league.
I still struggle to reconcile the expectations on Jackson with what he needs to produce.
Being conservative with the forward premium cutoff he needs to average about 92+, personally I think that's more like 97+.
He averaged 77 over the 2nd half of last season, he averaged 76 in the finals. So you're still asking for an awful lot of improvement if you've got similar expectations of the forwards to myself.
There's no real strong indication of him average 95. There were 8 rucks in total who averaged that or higher last year. Gawn the only one in any real kind of ruck share, Marshall can be debated but he basically was #1 when he played with him and Ryder basically not playing together.
The best of the 2nd rucks would be McEvoy at 89 and even his scoring is significantly inflated from his time spent as the #1 solo ruck when others weren't playing for a good third of the season.
English managed 89 also, but is the same story as McEvoy and was actually the #1 ruck for a large chunk of the season.
I really like Jackson as a player and prospect but I do find it hard to see how he averages 95+ unless Gawn is injured. That's the territory of the very best KPF and the very best ruckmen and I don't see him being good enough at either just yet. It's not impossible but I'd definitely be far more surprised at him going 90+ than him being under 90.
If you genuinely don't think he's a keeper as a forward then you're taking him as a cash cow over all other options and I can't buy the story of him as a cash cow because realistically it doesn't exist, he's either a keeper or a bust.
Darcy has improved his durability season on season to be up to 21 games a year now too 
I'd rather be on the 23 year old on the rise than the 32 year old who's priced to his max & played his first full season (relatively speaking) since 2015.
Neither come without their risks, but I'm happy to gamble on upside all day every day.
I'd rather be on the 23 year old on the rise than the 32 year old who's priced to his max & played his first full season (relatively speaking) since 2015.
Neither come without their risks, but I'm happy to gamble on upside all day every day.
RE: .........Everyone has those extra trades, every time you're using it to fix something and someone else is using it to upgrade, you're falling further and further behind.........
Can't agree more. (I've already made a note to keep reminding me)
The reason for the extra 5 trades is to compensate SuperCoach Teams, for players who may miss games, because of Covid issues. I would be very surprised if we get more trades during the season, as these 5 trades are the bonus trades.
Last year, SuperCoaches were not happy that Fantasy changes were made during the AFL season. So, to prevent making changes during the season, they gave us the 5 bonus trades, so changes won't need to be made during this season.
When Covid first appeared, nobody knew what to expect, or how to handle it, now they know and are organised. AFL games will be played, even if AFL teams have to get outside players to fill a team. Also, Covid affected players will only miss 1 game (unless it physically affected them badly, and that will only be the minority).
One thing to keep in mind, some players returning from Covid may not play to their optimum ability for a while.
Can't agree more. (I've already made a note to keep reminding me
)The reason for the extra 5 trades is to compensate SuperCoach Teams, for players who may miss games, because of Covid issues. I would be very surprised if we get more trades during the season, as these 5 trades are the bonus trades.
Last year, SuperCoaches were not happy that Fantasy changes were made during the AFL season. So, to prevent making changes during the season, they gave us the 5 bonus trades, so changes won't need to be made during this season.
When Covid first appeared, nobody knew what to expect, or how to handle it, now they know and are organised. AFL games will be played, even if AFL teams have to get outside players to fill a team. Also, Covid affected players will only miss 1 game (unless it physically affected them badly, and that will only be the minority).
One thing to keep in mind, some players returning from Covid may not play to their optimum ability for a while.
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Pretty unlikely. COVID affects most people in a pretty minimal way, I'd imagine it's pretty insignificant in a group of the fittest, most athletically powerful young men in the country. They'll be more pissed off by the 7-day isolation than the actual virus.
Pretty unlikely. COVID affects most people in a pretty minimal way, I'd imagine it's pretty insignificant in a group of the fittest, most athletically powerful young men in the country. They'll be more pissed off by the 7-day isolation than the actual virus.
Pretty unlikely. COVID affects most people in a pretty minimal way, I'd imagine it's pretty insignificant in a group of the fittest, most athletically powerful young men in the country. They'll be more pissed off by the 7-day isolation than the actual virus.
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Stubbornly looking at the two big G's at R1 & 2, Comben R3.
Looking for a R/F in the forward line between Wright, Ladhams, Jackson, CCJ & Sinclair.
Quite liked Wright last year as a fwd even though in the end didn't select him, has good JS and borderline ok average but good cieling with 139, 146 and 147 last season.
Ladhams sought by Swans but is he insurance or does he have a spot in the side.
Jackson plenty of chat about him but is he realistic in the fwds if I have Gawn in the Rucks
CCJ sought by NM but role JS are question marks.
Sinclair, is he still in front of Ladhams?
Given I will (almost) certainly have the big G's who is the best cover in the fwds of the aboves, or is there someone I have neglected?
Looking for a R/F in the forward line between Wright, Ladhams, Jackson, CCJ & Sinclair.
Quite liked Wright last year as a fwd even though in the end didn't select him, has good JS and borderline ok average but good cieling with 139, 146 and 147 last season.
Ladhams sought by Swans but is he insurance or does he have a spot in the side.
Jackson plenty of chat about him but is he realistic in the fwds if I have Gawn in the Rucks
CCJ sought by NM but role JS are question marks.
Sinclair, is he still in front of Ladhams?
Given I will (almost) certainly have the big G's who is the best cover in the fwds of the aboves, or is there someone I have neglected?
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I still don't like him but Jackson is leagues above that group for mine.
Ladhams I'd be surprised if he isn't in our side but his role will be similar to last year. If Hickey were injured, which his career suggests is very possible, Ladhams would be a great option. Horse has always liked playing 2 rucks, all the way back to the infamous decision to have Mark Seaby as a sub!
Sinclair shouldn't play barring catastrophe. Basically would mean Hickey, Naismith and Ladhams are all injured or only one of Franklin, Reid, McDonald, Amartey, McLean and Ladhams is fit with Hickey fit.
CCJ I just can't see it, showed not much at Richmond and goes to a weaker team with a much better dominant ruck ahead of him.
Wright I think is fairly priced on about the best case scenario, he's an adequate second ruck but he's on the weaker end of the scale so not going to score big in that role and he's an ok forward but not going to kick 3 or 4 a week. Be very surprised if he could beat 90.
Just all feel like nothing picks, Jackson I can at least faintly see an outline of a narrative for but even his story I just have a hard time buying. 2nd rucks historically have a very hard time going 95+ and KPF in general have a very hard time going 95+, literally none last year.
Ladhams I'd be surprised if he isn't in our side but his role will be similar to last year. If Hickey were injured, which his career suggests is very possible, Ladhams would be a great option. Horse has always liked playing 2 rucks, all the way back to the infamous decision to have Mark Seaby as a sub!
Sinclair shouldn't play barring catastrophe. Basically would mean Hickey, Naismith and Ladhams are all injured or only one of Franklin, Reid, McDonald, Amartey, McLean and Ladhams is fit with Hickey fit.
CCJ I just can't see it, showed not much at Richmond and goes to a weaker team with a much better dominant ruck ahead of him.
Wright I think is fairly priced on about the best case scenario, he's an adequate second ruck but he's on the weaker end of the scale so not going to score big in that role and he's an ok forward but not going to kick 3 or 4 a week. Be very surprised if he could beat 90.
Just all feel like nothing picks, Jackson I can at least faintly see an outline of a narrative for but even his story I just have a hard time buying. 2nd rucks historically have a very hard time going 95+ and KPF in general have a very hard time going 95+, literally none last year.
I think he's a floating donut to play at this point (FDTP). May get some games, but I don't think he's in the 22 every week.
If WCE sign Strnadica and he's a $102k R/F I'd probably pick him instead. Could be just as likely to play and every chance you can pick up Comben on the bubble in R6 or something.
If WCE sign Strnadica and he's a $102k R/F I'd probably pick him instead. Could be just as likely to play and every chance you can pick up Comben on the bubble in R6 or something.
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With the extra trades on offer this season and potential dual position additions, I would not bother starting a ruck forward if you are going with a two premium setup such as Gawn and Grundy. Need to be extremely confident that they will provide value and sufficient points to be worthwhile of a starting spot, as you are relying on an injury to one of your rucks to extract the full value of a ruck/forward early on to compensate for points lost. This play is better left until the midway or latter stages of the season and will provide a better assessment of the options if an injury opens up a clear number one ruck role.