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Bermi said:
For a player valued at $23.8 million, Allen is not delivering as expected. I'm considering trading him, possibly for a Jackson or a Hurts, who is currently on his Bye week. However, I need to check if there are other players who require attention first, such as B. Hall. :mad:
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I watched the Vikings/Jets game. The Jets offense just seems to not have it's sugar together. The O line is not great although the Vikings defense is the best in the league so a combination of things that saw Rogers get pounded more than once. Rogers has also lost a bit of sharpness but he is still okay at the QB position. He does show his frustration way too much for mine when things don't go perfect and I don't think that is good for a positive team vibe. He comes across as the grumpy old man that is being forced to play with amateurs. Hall was not a serious part of the offense in this game but he scored 3 TD in the first 3 games so maybe he is just off for a couple of games. Allen has had an increase in run attempts last few games so maybe it is becoming more shared. Jets only got back into the game because Aaron Jones left the game in the 2nd Q with a hip injury. Suspect he has being playing with it for a last few games after he got a hip knock in Week 2. After that the Vikings offense dropped off completely after leading 17-0 in the 2nd quarter. Lucky we have a bye next week and he has extra time to recover.
 
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Manikato1 said:
I watched the Vikings/Jets game. The Jets offense just seems to not have it's sugar together. The O line is not great although the Vikings defense is the best in the league so a combination of things that saw Rogers get pounded more than once. Rogers has also lost a bit of sharpness but he is still okay at the QB position. He does show his frustration way too much for mine when things don't go perfect and I don't think that is good for a positive team vibe. He comes across as the grumpy old man that is being forced to play with amateurs. Hall was not a serious part of the offense in this game but he scored 3 TD in the first 3 games so maybe he is just off for a couple of games. Allen has had an increase in run attempts last few games so maybe it is becoming more shared. Jets only got back into the game because Aaron Jones left the game in the 2nd Q with a hip injury. Suspect he has being playing with it for a last few games after he got a hip knock in Week 2. After that the Vikings offense dropped off completely after leading 17-0 in the 2nd quarter. Lucky we have a bye next week and he has extra time to recover.
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The lack of knowledge into NFL teams' game plans can be frustrating for us Fantasy Coaches, as it necessitates guessing which players to field. I won't know when Hall will be a significant part of the NYJ offense, making the decision to play or bench him quite difficult.
 
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Bermi said:
The lack of knowledge into NFL teams' game plans can be frustrating for us Fantasy Coaches, as it necessitates guessing which players to field. I won't know when Hall will be a significant part of the NYJ offense, making the decision to play or bench him quite difficult.
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Yeah, it's tough.
I try to only select players who have a clearly defined role in the same team with the same coach and QB as the previous year.
I started with Hall because he filled all those criteria.
His role hasn't really changed: 13 carries a game this year vs 13.1 last year; 5.6 targets per game this year vs 5.6 last year.
What is different, so far, is his "form": only 3.0 ypc on average compared to 4.5 and 5.8 in previous seasons.
But as I posted last week, Hall can have multiple consecutive weeks with a low ypc figure. He makes up for those games with games where he can average up to 8.0 ypc and more.

However, almost every player is affected by match-ups and I try to start/bench players according to their match-ups.
This week Hall was up against Minnesota: they have the 2nd best run defence allowing only 67.2 ypg; they have the 3rd worst pass defence allowing 263 ypg
It shouldn't have been a great surprise that the Jets had 54 pass attempts to only 14 carries.

I pay far more attention to match-ups than most of the pundits seem to do.
Although it isn't that straightforward. Other factors come in to play: recent form; is a RB involved in the passing game; are they playing at home or away; what injuries does their team have - these are the ones I see as most important.
I must admit, it takes research and I know not everyone has the time.


ESPN has the team defence stat.s:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/dir/asc
 
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Bermi said:
The lack of knowledge into NFL teams' game plans can be frustrating for us Fantasy Coaches, as it necessitates guessing which players to field. I won't know when Hall will be a significant part of the NYJ offense, making the decision to play or bench him quite difficult.
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As Rupert says there are so many factors to take into account it is impossible to take into account all of them and apply that across the entire season. You can research till you are blue in the face and still miss something that impacts on a particular player or game on any given day such as injured OLine or DLine players. The Jets last 2 games were against the number 1 and 2 rated defense in the AFL so maybe it is only upwards from here. I am holding for now but on the bench where possible depending on byes. Barkley will come back for him next week.
 
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Manikato1 said:
I watched the Vikings/Jets game. The Jets offense just seems to not have it's sugar together. The O line is not great although the Vikings defense is the best in the league so a combination of things that saw Rogers get pounded more than once. Rogers has also lost a bit of sharpness but he is still okay at the QB position. He does show his frustration way too much for mine when things don't go perfect and I don't think that is good for a positive team vibe. He comes across as the grumpy old man that is being forced to play with amateurs. Hall was not a serious part of the offense in this game but he scored 3 TD in the first 3 games so maybe he is just off for a couple of games. Allen has had an increase in run attempts last few games so maybe it is becoming more shared. Jets only got back into the game because Aaron Jones left the game in the 2nd Q with a hip injury. Suspect he has being playing with it for a last few games after he got a hip knock in Week 2. After that the Vikings offense dropped off completely after leading 17-0 in the 2nd quarter. Lucky we have a bye next week and he has extra time to recover.
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Thinking Hall needs to go for Barkley next week. Didn't see the whole game, highlights only, but on a couple of drives the Jets where inside the Vikings 10 yard line and Rodgers is out the back by his lonesome with no RB in sight.

Looked Bizarre......
 
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Rupert said:
Yeah, it's tough.
I try to only select players who have a clearly defined role in the same team with the same coach and QB as the previous year.
I started with Hall because he filled all those criteria.
His role hasn't really changed: 13 carries a game this year vs 13.1 last year; 5.6 targets per game this year vs 5.6 last year.
What is different, so far, is his "form": only 3.0 ypc on average compared to 4.5 and 5.8 in previous seasons.
But as I posted last week, Hall can have multiple consecutive weeks with a low ypc figure. He makes up for those games with games where he can average up to 8.0 ypc and more.

However, almost every player is affected by match-ups and I try to start/bench players according to their match-ups.
This week Hall was up against Minnesota: they have the 2nd best run defence allowing only 67.2 ypg; they have the 3rd worst pass defence allowing 263 ypg
It shouldn't have been a great surprise that the Jets had 54 pass attempts to only 14 carries.

I pay far more attention to match-ups than most of the pundits seem to do.
Although it isn't that straightforward. Other factors come in to play: recent form; is a RB involved in the passing game; are they playing at home or away; what injuries does their team have - these are the ones I see as most important.
I must admit, it takes research and I know not everyone has the time.


ESPN has the team defence stat.s:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/table/passing/sort/netPassingYardsPerGame/dir/asc
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Manikato1 said:
As Rupert says there are so many factors to take into account it is impossible to take into account all of them and apply that across the entire season. You can research till you are blue in the face and still miss something that impacts on a particular player or game on any given day such as injured OLine or DLine players. The Jets last 2 games were against the number 1 and 2 rated defense in the AFL so maybe it is only upwards from here. I am holding for now but on the bench where possible depending on byes. Barkley will come back for him next week.
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In the future, I will utilize Team Defense Statistics instead of depending on the "Consensus of 43 Experts in Fantasy Football Rankings."
Indeed, considering the multitude of factors involved, it is impractical to consider each one when time is limited.

I too will be keeping Hall, as I have Gibbs back next week.
 
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Thinking Hall needs to go for Barkley next week. Didn't see the whole game, highlights only, but on a couple of drives the Jets where inside the Vikings 10 yard line and Rodgers is out the back by his lonesome with no RB in sight.

Looked Bizarre......
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A lot of Jets fans think this is all down to Nathaniel Hackett and his play calling. Not a popular OC.
 
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Vicwood said:
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Thinking Hall needs to go for Barkley next week. Didn't see the whole game, highlights only, but on a couple of drives the Jets where inside the Vikings 10 yard line and Rodgers is out the back by his lonesome with no RB in sight.

Looked Bizarre......
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I fully agree... I was going to trade him this week for Walker but then I became Money Greedy and sold Mahomes instead for Dalton... sometimes you can push too hard to rake in the cash cows I guess ;):(;);););):(:(:(:(;);););)
 
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Manikato1 said:
A lot of Jets fans think this is all down to Nathaniel Hackett and his play calling. Not a popular OC.
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I tend to agree.
He appeared to be good at GB with Rodgers but perhaps LaFLeur had a lot to do with that?
And he wasn't a good head coach at Denver.
Still, it's early days and the Jets O-Line is poor so there may be some hope.
 
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Rupert said:
I tend to agree.
He appeared to be good at GB with Rodgers but perhaps LaFLeur had a lot to do with that?
And he wasn't a good head coach at Denver.
Still, it's early days and the Jets O-Line is poor so there may be some hope.
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I think even though Hackett was the Offensive Co ordinator at the Packers La Fleur still called the plays or a lot of them.
 
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