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[Zagbag]

What are your thoughts on Ross and Heazlett? Shouldn't they bat No. 4 and given the DGW and their price be very appealing?

Sorry if my only contribution to this forum is through questions. I'm very much a rookie and don't really have the insight to contribute otherwise. I still do read every post you guys make though. It has been very helpful so far.

I think Ross is just about finished - wouldn't be surprised if he barely plays a game this year. Teams have worked him out. Barring injuries, I'd expect him and Gilkes to both miss out, with Gilkes first in the pecking order.

Heazlett is hugely talented, but just hasn't delivered. Expect the Heat to line up roughly

Max Bryant
Tom Banton
Chris Lynn
Matt Renshaw
Sam Heazlett
Ben Cutting
Jimmy Peirson

Heazlett/Renshaw could easily swap - but I think Ren is in for a good season...

 

[Zagbag]

I think Harris would be lucky to be picked every game for the Gades or the Victorian one-day side if he wasn't around the test squad, he's just not a good short form player.

I don't get this at all. Harris made his name as a short form player. He's an incredible striker of the ball.

Paris gets talked up every season for fantasy even though he's done very little when he has played in the BBL. Also far form certain to play regularly.

Think Paris will be a lock with all these Scorcher injuries. He'll be serviceable. Not in my side, but think he's a decent selection.

I'm tempted by Hales' price, but I really don't rate him at all- especially in Australian conditions. Not sure what the Thunder were thinking picking him up honestly.

Hales is one of the most destructive T20 players on the planet. He's a huge coup. Yes, he's underdelivered, in Aus but think back to his first couple of hits for the Renegades...

 

[Herbie66]

I think Ross is just about finished - wouldn't be surprised if he barely plays a game this year. Teams have worked him out. Barring injuries, I'd expect him and Gilkes to both miss out, with Gilkes first in the pecking order.

Heazlett is hugely talented, but just hasn't delivered. Expect the Heat to line up roughly

Max Bryant
Tom Banton
Chris Lynn
Matt Renshaw
Sam Heazlett
Ben Cutting
Jimmy Peirson

Heazlett/Renshaw could easily swap - but I think Ren is in for a good season...

Interesting lineup going 7 deep , assuming Khan , Lalor , Laughlin & Swepson as the remaining 4.

Any reason you think Lenton keeps ahead of Gilkes for the Thunder ?

 

[Herbie66]

I don't get this at all. Harris made his name as a short form player. He's an incredible striker of the ball.



Think Paris will be a lock with all these Scorcher injuries. He'll be serviceable. Not in my side, but think he's a decent selection.



Hales is one of the most destructive T20 players on the planet. He's a huge coup. Yes, he's underdelivered, in Aus but think back to his first couple of hits for the Renegades...

Well he did make his only Big Bash half century on debut for the Renegades in 1 of his 2 games for them.

Might end up taking the punt on him with Morris unlikely to play both games of the DWG , need a 3rd Thunder player so at Hales price worth taking the punt.

 

[Zagbag]

Interesting lineup going 7 deep , assuming Khan , Lalor , Laughlin & Swepson as the remaining 4.

Any reason you think Lenton keeps ahead of Gilkes for the Thunder ?

Pattinson, Mujee/Khan, Laughlin, Steketee. (No Swepson or Lalor)

It's a toss up for sure. I think Gilkes is a better player but I sense they wanted to give Lenton a run. I'd be picking Gilkes in a heartbeat (although teams are just going to bounce him and put a couple on the hook)

 

[toxic]

Well he did make his only Big Bash half century on debut for the Renegades in 1 of his 2 games for them.

Might end up taking the punt on him with Morris unlikely to play both games of the DWG , need a 3rd Thunder player so at Hales price worth taking the punt.

Why will Morris not play both games?

 

[Herbie66]

Pattinson, Mujee/Khan, Laughlin, Steketee. (No Swepson or Lalor)

It's a toss up for sure. I think Gilkes is a better player but I sense they wanted to give Lenton a run. I'd be picking Gilkes in a heartbeat (although teams are just going to bounce him and put a couple on the hook)

Interesting take on the Heat bowling lineup , my worry would be that Patto plays the first game then Steketee the second.

Haven't heard much talk of Lenton at all to be honest , so good to hear a different opinion.

 

[Herbie66]

Why will Morris not play both games?

MSL Final is on the 16th (venue TBC) , doubt he gets from their to Jo'burg to Perth to Brisbane in time , even via Hong Kong is 24 + hours.

 

[McLovin]

I don't get this at all. Harris made his name as a short form player. He's an incredible striker of the ball.

I think his short form record speaks for itself by now, it's not great. Even early on he'd hit a few boundaries and not go on with it. He's got past that in FC cricket but has probably regressed as a short form player if anything.

Think Paris will be a lock with all these Scorcher injuries. He'll be serviceable. Not in my side, but think he's a decent selection.

Bancroft*
Livingstone
Marsh
Turner
Inglis (+)
Green
Agar
Jordan
Richardson
Kelly
Ahmed

This is the best predicted lineup I've seen for the Scorchers. I don't see Paris getting selected ahead of any of those bowlers, Richardson's probably behind Patto and Neser for a test spot at the moment. Although if Green's fit to bowl there goes my idea that Marsh will be a reliable all-rounder, he'll be about their 7th option.

Hales is one of the most destructive T20 players on the planet. He's a huge coup. Yes, he's underdelivered, in Aus but think back to his first couple of hits for the Renegades...

It's just hard to expect much when he's been so bad in his recent BBL outings, the last few times it looked like he was just here for a paid holiday.

 

[Herbie66]

@McLovin

Is Patterson still injured and not expected to be right for the start of Big Bash ?

media reports that Marsh may have ligament damage and may not be right to bowl early in Big Bash.

see what happens tomorrow and in the 2 Shield games before BBL starts I guess

 

[Stormzy]

Well he did make his only Big Bash half century on debut for the Renegades in 1 of his 2 games for them.

Might end up taking the punt on him with Morris unlikely to play both games of the DWG , need a 3rd Thunder player so at Hales price worth taking the punt.

Morris is more likely to score well all season plus DPP im taking him even if he doesn't play the DGW

 

[Herbie66]

Morris is more likely to score well all season plus DPP im taking him even if he doesn't play the DGW

No doubt , I have said previously he should be Top 10 on average.

I need to start 3 Heat & 3 Thunder players that I can then trade out for Scorchers & Strikers in Week 2 & 3 , if I can start 1-2 of them on the bench , I can just bring Morris in Week 2 or 3.

 

[Damion23]

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Don't know if anyone has posted this yet but I found setting this as my screensaver last year very helpful.

A bit more advance one if you like mate

 

[Zagbag]

I think his short form record speaks for itself by now, it's not great. Even early on he'd hit a few boundaries and not go on with it. He's got past that in FC cricket but has probably regressed as a short form player if anything.

Eh, agree to disagree

Bancroft*
Livingstone
Marsh
Turner
Inglis (+)
Green
Agar
Jordan
Richardson
Kelly
Ahmed

This is the best predicted lineup I've seen for the Scorchers. I don't see Paris getting selected ahead of any of those bowlers, Richardson's probably behind Patto and Neser for a test spot at the moment. Although if Green's fit to bowl there goes my idea that Marsh will be a reliable all-rounder, he'll be about their 7th option.

I'm not saying Paris is a worldbeater, but I know the Scorchers set-up loves him, and have always picked him where they can (Langer was a big fan, so he might have lost a supporter.

One thing we do know is that the Scorchers are extremely unpredictable in their team selection. Which is always the case with a side that has half a dozen all-rounders / bit part players.

My guess

Liam Livingstone
Cameron Bancroft
Ashton Turner
Mitch Marsh
Josh Inglis
Ashton Agar
Chris Jordan
Cameron Green
Joel Paris
Fawad Ahmed
Matthew Kelly

But it would be easy to see Whiteman come in (another golden boy) come in to open, shift Bancroft to 4 and drop one of the quicks (Paris or Kelly).

 

[Herbie66]

Eh, agree to disagree



I'm not saying Paris is a worldbeater, but I know the Scorchers set-up loves him, and have always picked him where they can (Langer was a big fan, so he might have lost a supporter.

One thing we do know is that the Scorchers are extremely unpredictable in their team selection. Which is always the case with a side that has half a dozen all-rounders / bit part players.

My guess

Liam Livingstone
Cameron Bancroft
Ashton Turner
Mitch Marsh
Josh Inglis
Ashton Agar
Chris Jordan
Cameron Green
Joel Paris
Fawad Ahmed
Matthew Kelly

But it would be easy to see Whiteman come in (another golden boy) come in to open, shift Bancroft to 4 and drop one of the quicks (Paris or Kelly).

strong bowling attack when you can leave out Jhye Richardson ?

 

[Bomber18]

Great stuff being posted in here. (Still catching up on most of it.)



Hopefully this can add to it.



Batting difficulty fixture based on history of avg runs from BBL01-BBL08 (will add bowling soon) View attachment 12908

Great stuff mate!! This is really awesome analysis and is largely in line with my own thoughts as well.

To take nothing away from your work, but I wonder if certain wickets such as OS, Marvel and SCG are actually hard to bat wickets earlier on in the season. Did your analysis suggest anything to that effect?

I recall SCG and Marvel wickets last year were very slow early on and were bowlers paradises before perhaps becoming more normal pitches. Was wondering if that’s happened in previous years too or if the groundsman just cooked it last season.

 

[Zagbag]

strong bowling attack when you can leave out Jhye Richardson ?

Am under the impression Jhye is recently injured?

 

[Herbie66]

Am under the impression Jhye is recently injured?

ok my apologies then if that is the case , only found mention of Behrendorff , Tye , doubts on Marsh , Green hopeful of resuming bowling soon.

Think Paris had a hamstring earlier in the season.

Is it shoulder related for Jyhe or something different ?

CricBuzz have him in the Squad for tomorrow's final so will wait and see.

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Re: Morris’ availability, the MSL Final starts at 2.30am AEDT on the same day that the Thunder play the opening game of the BBL at 7.30pm AEDT.

So it’s fair to say that Morris definitely won’t be able to play if his team makes the Final.

Halfway through the season, his team is undefeated and four points clear on top of the ladder with the top team straight through to the Final so hopefully his team starts losing sometime soon (Sorry to any Nelson Mandela Bay Giants fans out there).

 

[Stormzy]

Eh, agree to disagree



I'm not saying Paris is a worldbeater, but I know the Scorchers set-up loves him, and have always picked him where they can (Langer was a big fan, so he might have lost a supporter.

One thing we do know is that the Scorchers are extremely unpredictable in their team selection. Which is always the case with a side that has half a dozen all-rounders / bit part players.

My guess

Liam Livingstone
Cameron Bancroft
Ashton Turner
Mitch Marsh
Josh Inglis
Ashton Agar
Chris Jordan
Cameron Green
Joel Paris
Fawad Ahmed
Matthew Kelly

But it would be easy to see Whiteman come in (another golden boy) come in to open, shift Bancroft to 4 and drop one of the quicks (Paris or Kelly).

Jhye Richardson is guarenteed to start so one of those quicks would get removed