Position Defender Discussion

Which players caught your eye after Marsh 1...?

  • D Houston

  • D Byrne-Jones

  • J Dawson

  • J Crisp

  • H Clark

  • L Weller

  • C Blakely

  • W Milera

  • J Short

  • None of the above


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#61
Done some more digging on Houston and I feel like the results make him a hard pick to gauge.

He played rebounding defender from rounds 1-10 and averaged 89 and then seemingly moved into the midfield and averaged 89 for the rest of the year starting with the game in China - where he had 22 centre bounce attendances and scored 98 (CBA's said by the phantom in an article)

The scores in the midfield are a bit all over the place but are seemingly very good when he's getting an inside mid gig.

Following the China game he put up a 75 vs Freo and the heat maps look like he played inside mid and perhaps a bit of wing and then he put up a 110 versus Geelong where he was tasked with keeping Tim Kelly in check and obviously played inside mid.

The next 3 games take a downward turn as he scored 54 vs Bulldogs, 57 vs Adelaide and 62 vs Richmond (where he came off in Q4) but looking at his heat maps he looked to be playing mostly on the wing and a little bit down back during these games. It was also possible he was carrying an injury as he missed the Brisbane game between the Adelaide and Richmond games and there was talk he'd miss the bulldogs game. At the same time at R15 the draft doctors started writing articles listing the number of Centre bounce attendances in games and they had Houston down for 6 vs Bulldogs, 0 vs Adelaide and 6 versus Richmond. These might not be 100% accurate but they're quite suggestive and he obviously wasn't primarily playing an inside mid role for these 3 games. It looks like he was playing on the wing but it's hard to know for sure, he might have been playing a bit in defence.

Houston then turned things around and put up an 85 vs GWS (but he had 29 disposals and 104 in DT), a 134 vs Essendon, an 88 vs Sydney, a 105 vs North Melbourne and a 117 vs Freo after a move to the inside midfield. According to the Draft Doctors website in this time he had 16 CBA's vs GWS (=1st for Port that game), 20 CBA's vs Essendon (3rd for Port that game), 21 CBA's vs Sydney (=2nd for Port that game) and 22 CBA's vs North (1st for Port that game). There is no article for round 23 but the heat map for that game shows he was mostly playing inside midfield.

So basically Houston scored really well and showed promise when he was played on the inside of the midfield in the 2nd half of the year and was decent as a rebounding defender in the 1st half of the year. Overall he averaged 101.5 from the 8 games where he seemed to play predominantly inside midfield.

I'd definitely want to see him playing an inside mid role in JLT with some news coming out of the club confirming this role before picking him. He was originally put in that role due to injury but he added the type of elite kicking and decision making Port lacks in their midfield and Ken Hinkley has noted this.

Any port fans feel free to share anything I've missed or got wrong
 
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Done some more digging on Houston and I feel like the results make him a hard pick to gauge.

He played rebounding defender from rounds 1-10 and averaged 89 and then seemingly moved into the midfield and averaged 89 for the rest of the year starting with the game in China - where he attended 22 centre bounce attendances and scored 98 (CBA's said by the phantom in an article)

The scores in the midfield are a bit all over the place but are seemingly very good when he's getting an inside mid gig.

Following the China game he put up a 75 vs Freo and the heat maps look like he played inside mid and perhaps a bit of wing and then he put up a 110 versus Geelong where he was tasked with keeping Tim Kelly in check and obviously played inside mid.

The next 3 games take a downward turn as he scored 54 vs Bulldogs, 57 vs Adelaide and 62 vs Richmond (where he came off in Q4) but looking at his heat maps he looked to be playing mostly on the wing and a little bit down back during these games. It was also possible he was carrying an injury as he missed the Brisbane game between the Adelaide and Richmond games and there was talk he'd miss the bulldogs game. At the same time at R15 the draft doctors started writing articles listing the number of Centre bounce attendances in games and they had Houston down for 6 vs Bulldogs, 0 vs Adelaide and 6 versus Richmond. These might not be 100% accurate but they're quite suggestive and he obviously wasn't primarily playing an inside mid role for these 3 games. It looks like he was playing on the wing but it's hard to know for sure, he might have been playing a bit in defence.

Houston then turned things around and put up an 85 vs GWS (but he had 29 disposals and 104 in DT), a 134 vs Essendon, an 88 vs Sydney, a 105 vs North Melbourne and a 117 vs Freo after a move to the inside midfield. According to the Draft Doctors website in this time he had 16 CBA's vs GWS (=1st for Port that game), 20 CBA's vs Essendon (3rd for Port that game), 21 CBA's vs Sydney (=2nd for Port that game) and 22 CBA's vs North (1st for Port that game). There is no article for round 23 but the heat map for that game shows he was mostly playing inside midfield.

So basically Houston scored really well and showed promise when he was played on the inside of the midfield in the 2nd half of the year and was decent as a rebounding defender in the 1st half of the year. Overall he averaged 101.5 from the 8 games where he seemed to play predominantly inside midfield.

I'd definitely want to see him playing an inside mid role in JLT with some news coming out of the club confirming this role before picking him. He was originally put in that role due to injury but he added the type of elite kicking and decision making Port lacks in their midfield and Ken Hinkley has noted this.

Any port fans feel free to share anything I've missed or got wrong
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Done some more digging on Houston and I feel like the results make him a hard pick to gauge.

He played rebounding defender from rounds 1-10 and averaged 89 and then seemingly moved into the midfield and averaged 89 for the rest of the year starting with the game in China - where he attended 22 centre bounce attendances and scored 98 (CBA's said by the phantom in an article)

The scores in the midfield are a bit all over the place but are seemingly very good when he's getting an inside mid gig.

Following the China game he put up a 75 vs Freo and the heat maps look like he played inside mid and perhaps a bit of wing and then he put up a 110 versus Geelong where he was tasked with keeping Tim Kelly in check and obviously played inside mid.

The next 3 games take a downward turn as he scored 54 vs Bulldogs, 57 vs Adelaide and 62 vs Richmond (where he came off in Q4) but looking at his heat maps he looked to be playing mostly on the wing and a little bit down back during these games. It was also possible he was carrying an injury as he missed the Brisbane game between the Adelaide and Richmond games and there was talk he'd miss the bulldogs game. At the same time at R15 the draft doctors started writing articles listing the number of Centre bounce attendances in games and they had Houston down for 6 vs Bulldogs, 0 vs Adelaide and 6 versus Richmond. These might not be 100% accurate but they're quite suggestive and he obviously wasn't primarily playing an inside mid role for these 3 games. It looks like he was playing on the wing but it's hard to know for sure, he might have been playing a bit in defence.

Houston then turned things around and put up an 85 vs GWS (but he had 29 disposals and 104 in DT), a 134 vs Essendon, an 88 vs Sydney, a 105 vs North Melbourne and a 117 vs Freo after a move to the inside midfield. According to the Draft Doctors website in this time he had 16 CBA's vs GWS (=1st for Port that game), 20 CBA's vs Essendon (3rd for Port that game), 21 CBA's vs Sydney (=2nd for Port that game) and 22 CBA's vs North (1st for Port that game). There is no article for round 23 but the heat map for that game shows he was mostly playing inside midfield.

So basically Houston scored really well and showed promise when he was played on the inside of the midfield in the 2nd half of the year and was decent as a rebounding defender in the 1st half of the year. Overall he averaged 101.5 from the 8 games where he seemed to play predominantly inside midfield.

I'd definitely want to see him playing an inside mid role in JLT with some news coming out of the club confirming this role before picking him. He was originally put in that role due to injury but he added the type of elite kicking and decision making Port lacks in their midfield and Ken Hinkley has noted this.

Any port fans feel free to share anything I've missed or got wrong
I’d call that little bit more than ’done some more digging’. The super pit in Kalgoorlie springs to mind :)
 
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I’d call that little bit more than ’done some more digging’. The super pit in Kalgoorlie springs to mind :)
I will probably do too much research on anybody around the Houston or Sicily price :p. It's an awkward price where you pay quite a lot for players who aren't guaranteed to succeed and who can really burn you if they fail given how much you've invested in them. Jack Billings who I started for 509k back in 2018 springs to mind.
 
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Done some more digging on Houston and I feel like the results make him a hard pick to gauge.

He played rebounding defender from rounds 1-10 and averaged 89 and then seemingly moved into the midfield and averaged 89 for the rest of the year starting with the game in China - where he attended 22 centre bounce attendances and scored 98 (CBA's said by the phantom in an article)

The scores in the midfield are a bit all over the place but are seemingly very good when he's getting an inside mid gig.

Following the China game he put up a 75 vs Freo and the heat maps look like he played inside mid and perhaps a bit of wing and then he put up a 110 versus Geelong where he was tasked with keeping Tim Kelly in check and obviously played inside mid.

The next 3 games take a downward turn as he scored 54 vs Bulldogs, 57 vs Adelaide and 62 vs Richmond (where he came off in Q4) but looking at his heat maps he looked to be playing mostly on the wing and a little bit down back during these games. It was also possible he was carrying an injury as he missed the Brisbane game between the Adelaide and Richmond games and there was talk he'd miss the bulldogs game. At the same time at R15 the draft doctors started writing articles listing the number of Centre bounce attendances in games and they had Houston down for 6 vs Bulldogs, 0 vs Adelaide and 6 versus Richmond. These might not be 100% accurate but they're quite suggestive and he obviously wasn't primarily playing an inside mid role for these 3 games. It looks like he was playing on the wing but it's hard to know for sure, he might have been playing a bit in defence.

Houston then turned things around and put up an 85 vs GWS (but he had 29 disposals and 104 in DT), a 134 vs Essendon, an 88 vs Sydney, a 105 vs North Melbourne and a 117 vs Freo after a move to the inside midfield. According to the Draft Doctors website in this time he had 16 CBA's vs GWS (=1st for Port that game), 20 CBA's vs Essendon (3rd for Port that game), 21 CBA's vs Sydney (=2nd for Port that game) and 22 CBA's vs North (1st for Port that game). There is no article for round 23 but the heat map for that game shows he was mostly playing inside midfield.

So basically Houston scored really well and showed promise when he was played on the inside of the midfield in the 2nd half of the year and was decent as a rebounding defender in the 1st half of the year. Overall he averaged 101.5 from the 8 games where he seemed to play predominantly inside midfield.

I'd definitely want to see him playing an inside mid role in JLT with some news coming out of the club confirming this role before picking him. He was originally put in that role due to injury but he added the type of elite kicking and decision making Port lacks in their midfield and Ken Hinkley has noted this.

Any port fans feel free to share anything I've missed or got wrong
Personally due to selfish reasons, I am hoping Willem Drew gets the inside mid role... (keeper league reasons)
 
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A lot of talk about Tom Doedee, at $273K if he averages 85 and you keep him until the byes is that a pass??
Or do people think he can go 90+ ave and get into keeper territory?
 
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A lot of talk about Tom Doedee, at $273K if he averages 85 and you keep him until the byes is that a pass??
Or do people think he can go 90+ ave and get into keeper territory?
An average of 85 pushes his price to around $460K. $180K profit is a win for me if he can get that. I don't think he's going to average 90+, but as I'll likely start him, if he does, bonus.
 
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Is there anyone more expensive than Sicily ($509K) that people consider to have serious upside potential? As in improving their 2019 average by 5+ points?
 
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Newman might suffer at the hands of a returning Doc. He'll keep his place since Thomas is gone but surely they try to funnel the ball through Docherty as much as possible again.
 
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The talk is Gibbs playing the distributor role off HB, might impact Laird?
Gibbs will be lucky to get a game. If he does play it'll just push Smith and Milera up to the wing permanantly and Laird will continue to do his thing. He's basically Heath Shaw. Things may change around him but he just does what he does.
I've watched Laird closely quite a few times and he is an amazing footballer. He is in everything and does everything. He gets loose when he can but mostly is in the thick of it. It would not surprise me if he was also a good midfielder.
 

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An average of 85 pushes his price to around $460K. $180K profit is a win for me if he can get that. I don't think he's going to average 90+, but as I'll likely start him, if he does, bonus.
I think $460k is a bit generous, absent a big spike score or two.

A player who averaged 85 would be priced at around $460k at the start of the season (the pricing ratio, or Magic Number, is around $5,400 when the season starts) ... but the Magic Number drops to around $5,000 in season, so he would tend towards more like $425,000.

I find that the last $25,000 comes very slowly in most cases, so personally I'd be working on the basis that he'd get to $400,000 if you think 85 is a good estimate of his average.

Obviously spike scores will have an impact as well.
 
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I think $460k is a bit generous, absent a big spike score or two.

A player who averaged 85 would be priced at around $460k at the start of the season (the pricing ratio, or Magic Number, is around $5,400 when the season starts) ... but the Magic Number drops to around $5,000 in season, so he would tend towards more like $425,000.

I find that the last $25,000 comes very slowly in most cases, so personally I'd be working on the basis that he'd get to $400,000 if you think 85 is a good estimate of his average.

Obviously spike scores will have an impact as well.
I was just looking at starting prices, fair call that changes during the season.
 

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I've watched Laird closely quite a few times and he is an amazing footballer. He is in everything and does everything. He gets loose when he can but mostly is in the thick of it. It would not surprise me if he was also a good midfielder.
Averaged the third most disposals of any player in 2018, which is ridiculous.

He didn't seem to score as well with the new rules, but there's no question that he is a gun. I plan to start him.

Daniel is the other one who looks like he could add 5+ points to me, although I don't have high confidence in that, otherwise he'd be in my side.
 
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