Position Forward Discussion

Which of the following is likely to end the year as one of the top averaging FWDs...? [Choose Two]

  • H Greenwood

    Votes: 26 29.2%
  • J Gresham

    Votes: 3 3.4%
  • P Lipinski

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • B Parfitt

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • C Rozee

    Votes: 7 7.9%
  • J Martin

    Votes: 2 2.2%
  • C Wingard

    Votes: 18 20.2%
  • TJ Lynch

    Votes: 23 25.8%
  • D Smith

    Votes: 50 56.2%
  • None of the above

    Votes: 11 12.4%

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Barring injury/occasional possible rest, he will play every week.
As a young key fwd his scoring potential in his first year may not be as high as some other rookies,but his JS will be as good or better than any other rookie available this year
Coming from a reputable club supporter, I'm locking him as my F8, maybe for the whole season!
 
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Not sure how this changes things?

Nothing I have read/heard had Heeney becoming a full mid, always expected him to split his time fwd.

Question is probably if someone else is justified as a better choice than him but the fwd line is pretty bare and he is a known quantity at least.
He's definitely a trade in target with such up and down scoring. Waiting for a price drop.
 

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Actually a bit surprised how Whitfield was able to improve his avg by 12 points last year with barely any substantial improvements on his stat categories. Avged .3 disposals, 1 mark and a handful of goals more than his 2018 campaign. On the other hand his D.E dropped 5% and his tackles per game took a small hit. Makes me think he did well early on in games while they were close or was clutch in tight games towards the end. Wont be enough for me to reconsider picking him, but can see him going 100-105 this season, especially in an even more stacked GWS side
Yeah I’m pretty comfortable fading him as well. From some quick calculations. I’ve got him averaging 118 when at least one of Kelly/Cogs miss (10 games) and 99 when both play (6 games). I will need to double check that as I did it in my head, on my phone, with 2 littles ones hanging off me.


Then there’s also Ward returning who averages close to 30 touches himself. Obviously Whitfield is not an out and out midfielder but there is only so much pill that can go around (in theory).

It’ll be nervous times fading such a popular player with such a high ceiling but unlike when I’ve taken Gawn out of my team, i haven’t rejigged trying to get him back in.

Edit: at least one of Kelly/Cogs miss.
 
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Yeah I’m pretty comfortable fading him as well. From some quick calculations. I’ve got him averaging 118 when one of Kelly/Cogs miss (10 games) and 99 when both play (6 games). I will need to double check that as I did it in my head, on my phone, with 2 littles ones hanging off me.
2019 Whitfield [16/111]
Without both Kelly & Coniglio: 5/102
With both Kelly & Coniglio: 6/100
With one of Kelly/Coniglio: 5/134
 

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2019 Whitfield [16/111]
Without both Kelly & Coniglio: 5/102
With both Kelly & Coniglio: 6/100
With one of Kelly/Coniglio: 5/134
Thanks mate. I think that works out to be the same as I calculated. I probably should’ve said ‘at least one of Kelly/Cogs miss’ rather than ‘when one of’ though.

It’s a pretty small sample size obviously but enough for me to feel comfortable about fading such a popular player. His yearly game count stinks as well!
 
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The only thing with guys like Whitfield is that if he is on a scoring role he could be 20ppg higher then the next vest scoring forward, Dusty the exception that I see this year but depends which Dusty rocks up season 2020.

Whitfield is one of those guys that scores well anywhere I reckon, role doesn't worry me much with Whitfield.
 

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I agree with @NT.Thunder in that Whitfield, like Lloyd & Docherty in years gone by, has the scope to be so far ahead of the next best forward that the impact would be much more significant than say a Dusty v Heeney might be.

Looking through the forward options, there's only a handful of players which I feel has a 100+ season in them, Whitfield is the one I'm most confident in (with or without their other guns) barring injury.

GWS had 5 players who averaged 100+ and another 3 who were in the 90s last season, 4 and 2 respectively in 2018. Also, they've been amongst the highest accumulator of SC points from a 'team' point of view over the past 3 seasons, so there's plenty of the SC pie to go around.
 
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Do we wait for Dusty & Heeney to invariably drop to < $ 500k (especially Dusty) or given in all likelihood they are going to be Top 8 forward just start them and ride out their ups and downs ?

Was thinking maybe Dawson for Heeney/Martin.

Current forwards are :-

Martin * , Heeney * , Lynch , Smith *, Cockatoo * , Rankine / King , Brander/Cameron/Cavarra/Hosie/Sturt/Mahony/Budarick etc etc

Whitfield currently in the mids , depending on who I field at M9/F8
 
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Do we wait for Dusty & Heeney to invariably drop to < $ 500k (especially Dusty) or given in all likelihood they are going to be Top 8 forward just start them and ride out their ups and downs ?

Was thinking maybe Dawson for Heeney/Martin.

Current forwards are :-

Martin * , Heeney * , Lynch , Smith *, Cockatoo * , Rankine / King , Brander/Cameron/Cavarra/Hosie/Sturt/Mahony/Budarick etc etc

Whitfield currently in the mids , depending on who I field at M9/F8
Why on earth would you have Whitfield in the mids? His entire selling point is that, despite being fairly priced, he’s the player most guaranteed of being in the top few of his position..

And you don’t want to get caught missing out on a rookie because you’re trying to preserve a DPP link
 
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Why on earth would you have Whitfield in the mids? His entire selling point is that, despite being fairly priced, he’s the player most guaranteed of being in the top few of his position..

And you don’t want to get caught missing out on a rookie because you’re trying to preserve a DPP link
Why ?

As I said in my post depends on who is my M9 & F8.

If M9 is a better scorer than Cockatoo or Rankine , Whitfield then goes forward , Cockatoo/Rankine is benched and M9 is onfield.

Cockatoo comes with his own concerns , Rankine didn't debut last season so hopefully he is right to go.

As for who these other rookies are it is a complete guess at the moment , do you have 3 midfield bench rookies you are confident in playing Round 1 ?

Flanders , Kropenyeri-Pickett , Bergman , Weightman , Georgiadis etc might even prove viable starters yet up forward.

Or I can just swap Whitfield & Cockatoo around.
 
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Why ?

As I said in my post depends on who is my M9 & F8.

If M9 is a better scorer than Cockatoo or Rankine , Whitfield then goes forward , Cockatoo/Rankine is benched and M9 is onfield.

Cockatoo comes with his own concerns , Rankine didn't debut last season so hopefully he is right to go.

As for who these other rookies are it is a complete guess at the moment , do you have 3 midfield bench rookies you are confident in playing Round 1 ?

Flanders , Kropenyeri-Pickett , Bergman , Weightman , Georgiadis etc might even prove viable starters yet up forward.

Or I can just swap Whitfield & Cockatoo around.
I have gone with something similar with Cockatoo in the Mids, I also have Houston and Starcevich who I can swap into the Mids with Rivers. As you say the extra flexibility in choosing which rookie to field is going to be handy (maybe). I could theoretically have Houston at M7 during some weeks.
 
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I have gone with something similar with Cockatoo in the Mids, I also have Houston and Starcevich who I can swap into the Mids with Rivers. As you say the extra flexibility in choosing which rookie to field is going to be handy (maybe). I could theoretically have Houston at M7 during some weeks.
Just playing around with different ideas at the moment , I have had Starcevich in my mids with the idea that if Williamson misses he can replace him until the status on the likes of McLennan & Gould + X, You, Z are known.

Most of my defence has been based around Hill , Young , Starcevich , Williamson & Brander , I have a feeling once teams are announced I will only see 2 of them named.

35 days to go to throw ideas/thoughts around
 

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The only thing with guys like Whitfield is that if he is on a scoring role he could be 20ppg higher then the next vest scoring forward, Dusty the exception that I see this year but depends which Dusty rocks up season 2020.

Whitfield is one of those guys that scores well anywhere I reckon, role doesn't worry me much with Whitfield.
The one thing that bugs me with Whitfield is his price and his historical numbers, compared to others at the same price.

Whitfield has missed 16 games the last 4 seasons and averaged 110+ once with that 110 possibly due to increased opportunity with injuries to his teammates.

Oliver has missed 9 games the last 4 seasons and averaged 110+ in 3 years. Note: the 9 missed games and missed average were in his first year.

Treloar has missed 10 games the last 4 seasons and averaged 110+ 3 times.

Now I know it’s not comparing apples to apples and is somewhat rookie reliant but it’s difficult for me to justify picking Whitfield over the other 2, even if he’s every chance to be a top 3 fwd on averages. If I was confident he’d go 110 again, it would make the decision a little easier but with the uncertainty (in my eyes) of his ability to back up, he’s my cash generator if needed.
 
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