Position Forward Discussion

[Darkie]

Nah you're right to worry. Normally I'm 100% main ruck in the forward line = sold. McEvoy is better mark, better kick, better mover, and better against Graundy. Ceglar is a better tap ruck against some opponents. If he doesn't main ruck there is every chance he sits out with Patton/Frost arriving. I would strongly urge against an R2 start with the view to swing forward. I also note his R3 match is Grundy, the first match for full price impact. He also comes up against Gawn, Goldy and Nic Nat before the bye. Plenty of risk. Also a chance to buy post buy as his Gawn low score will fully roll through his price. He is firmly on my watch for upgrade list but too much risk for a starting spot for me. That risky F3/4 spot is TJL's for me.

Great info, thanks.

I think that there is also a perception that ruck is a high scoring position, but it’s not really any more.

It looks like only 10 rucks averaged 90+ last year, with only 6 averaging 100.

Admittedly those that scored well tended to be sole rucks, but it’s not a licence to print points like it seemed to be a few years back (maybe due to the ruck scoring changes or perhaps fewer stoppages?), and any risk around sharing the ruck role could mean an R-F doesn’t get to forward keeper level.

 

[NT.Thunder]

No one entertaining the idea of starting the litle master in the forward line?

After all these years - the great man in a SC forward line.

 

[Erich1036]

No one entertaining the idea of starting the litle master in the forward line?

After all these years - the great man in a SC forward line.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-outlines-plans-for-2020-20191101-p536ja.html

“But I think that will be the plan. Whether that means sitting out two, three, four games, I’m not 100 per cent sure."

Can't be starting a premium who's guaranteed to miss multiple games.

 

[Herbie66]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-outlines-plans-for-2020-20191101-p536ja.html

“But I think that will be the plan. Whether that means sitting out two, three, four games, I’m not 100 per cent sure."

Can't be starting a premium who's guaranteed to miss multiple games.

until push comes to shove and they have to win games

Kelly gone , Duncan , Menegola , Selwood delayed , interrupted pre-seasons

 

[Herbie66]

No one entertaining the idea of starting the litle master in the forward line?

After all these years - the great man in a SC forward line.

currently sitting in my 12-0-18 team ?

 

[Agent 47]

Might bring in the one true SC GOAT in round 19 after he's had his 3-4 extra byes as a luxury trade for sentimental reasons.

 

[Herbie66]

No one entertaining the idea of starting the litle master in the forward line?

After all these years - the great man in a SC forward line.

Are you considering himself ?

Outside all the conjecture and speculation of about 25 players who may/may not get to go 90+ he may not be the worst choice , especially given the delayed/interrupted pre-season some of the other Geelong mids are having.

Outside of Whitfield , Martin & Heeney it looks a wide open field.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Are you considering himself ?

Outside all the conjecture and speculation of about 25 players who may/may not get to go 90+ he may not be the worst choice , especially given the delayed/interrupted pre-season some of the other Geelong mids are having.

Outside of Whitfield , Martin & Heeney it looks a wide open field.

He's on my radar - this is Gary Ablett we are talking about here

 

[Herbie66]

He's on my radar - this is Gary Ablett we are talking about here

Been dismissed far too easily on this forum in my opinion.

 

[lipsunited]

Dusty to petracca does free up a lot of coin to upgrade the 123k rookies to some higher end, more likely to play rookies....

 

[Darkie]

Been dismissed far too easily on this forum in my opinion.

What do you reckon he could deliver in terms of output?

 

[Herbie66]

What do you reckon he could deliver in terms of output?

no idea how to forecast that to be honest but if he is playing same/similar role to last season then surely you have to use 95.7 as a estimate.

With Kelly leaving , doubts on Steven , interrupted pre-seasons for Duncan/Menegola/Selwood does he even go back into the midfield at the start to get wins on board or do they trust Danger and the second tier ?

Surely the holy trinity realise this season is it , so need to win as many games as early as possible to give themselves the best chance.

Bye in Round 12 , so play 5 , 1 off , play 5 , Bye , play 5 , 1 off , play 5 so 20/95.

I think I have read of about 25 players + that people are saying could go 90-92 + this season , so how do you pick that from the start.

Personally I am hoping to start Whitfield with 2 of those frowned upon $ 300-400k mid-price forwards , Hill + 4.

May be a case of jumping on the early bolter before Round 3 and then picking up Martin & Heeney when they invariably drop under $ 500 k.

Still think Ablett has to be considered.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Dusty to petracca does free up a lot of coin to upgrade the 123k rookies to some higher end, more likely to play rookies....

I still think the $100k tied up in Dusty is worth the investment.
Dusty has averaged over 100 5 times and high 90's another 3 and gone close to 120 once - that's a pretty good investment in the forward line. Really need to see where Dusty is at this year though but he hasn't moved from my team, build a forward line around him and Whitfield IMO.

 

[Darkie]

no idea how to forecast that to be honest but if he is playing same/similar role to last season then surely you have to use 95.7 as a estimate.

With Kelly leaving , doubts on Steven , interrupted pre-seasons for Duncan/Menegola/Selwood does he even go back into the midfield at the start to get wins on board or do they trust Danger and the second tier ?

Surely the holy trinity realise this season is it , so need to win as many games as early as possible to give themselves the best chance.

Bye in Round 12 , so play 5 , 1 off , play 5 , Bye , play 5 , 1 off , play 5 so 20/95.

I think I have read of about 25 players + that people are saying could go 90-92 + this season , so how do you pick that from the start.

Personally I am hoping to start Whitfield with 2 of those frowned upon $ 300-400k mid-price forwards , Hill + 4.

May be a case of jumping on the early bolter before Round 3 and then picking up Martin & Heeney when they invariably drop under $ 500 k.

Still think Ablett has to be considered.

I agree on your thinking on average. I don’t think it’s overly encouraging that he seemed to play little mid time today even in the absence of the others, albeit Geelong didn’t seem to be taking it that seriously based on a few indicators, and the fact Danger played forward indicates they were giving some of the next wave a run. You’d expect that if Gaz is going to play decent mid time he’ll get a bit more in the next match, albeit it is Ablett, so it may not be needed.

I think your plan on the game count is interesting. I guess the question is whether that’s enough of a rest, but he played 21 last year (best since 2013) so that’s encouraging and indicates Geelong don’t think he needs frequent resting, unless something has changed. He’s obviously aging but I think his role is effectively giving him that rest in game to some extent, which is why his average is healthy for a forward, but well below what he could probably still do as a mid.

His game count/discussion of resting had put me off but maybe that’s partly unwarranted. He’s not a durable pick at the best of times - if he was I’d happily lock and load something like 20 @ 95 from him.

 

[Tails]

I agree on your thinking on average. I don’t think it’s overly encouraging that he seemed to play little mid time today even in the absence of the others, albeit Geelong didn’t seem to be taking it that seriously based on a few indicators, and the fact Danger played forward indicates they were giving some of the next wave a run. You’d expect that if Gaz is going to play decent mid time he’ll get a bit more in the next match, albeit it is Ablett, so it may not be needed.

I think your plan on the game count is interesting. I guess the question is whether that’s enough of a rest, but he played 21 last year (best since 2013) so that’s encouraging and indicates Geelong don’t think he needs frequent resting, unless something has changed. He’s obviously aging but I think his role is effectively giving him that rest in game to some extent, which is why his average is healthy for a forward, but well below what he could probably still do as a mid.

His game count/discussion of resting had put me off but maybe that’s partly unwarranted. He’s not a durable pick at the best of times - if he was I’d happily lock and load something like 20 @ 95 from him.

I think GEE have a lot more depth than what they are credited with .... could make the same case for GWS ...

So when does the breaking point come into play .... they all obviously want to play .... so to me something eventually has to give ...

Can keep playing the current players and not hand out experience or the young kids get picked off by other clubs ... catch 22 IMO ...

 

[lipsunited]

I still think the $100k tied up in Dusty is worth the investment.
Dusty has averaged over 100 5 times and high 90's another 3 and gone close to 120 once - that's a pretty good investment in the forward line. Really need to see where Dusty is at this year though but he hasn't moved from my team, build a forward line around him and Whitfield IMO.

I agree, but you may be able to pick up dusty around the byes at a cheaper price and then ride him home as the tigers gear up for finals. His second half of last year was amazing. (Tigers supporter here)

 

[Toothless Tigers]

But Fagan is most excited about the growth in his young group that includes Harris Andrews, Eric Hipwood, Jarrod Berry, Hugh McCluggage, Alex Witherden and Cam Rayner, who are all 23 or under.

Rayner will gradually grow his midfield minutes this year, has dropped weight and "matured" after adding internal and external mentors.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/376444/how-the-lions-are-trying-to-avoid-doing-a-melbourne-

It all depends on what gradual translate to?

 

[Dimmawit]

If you are comparing Petracca and Dusty you are doing this wrong

Dusty has played 10 seasons. In his first season, Dustry averaged 77.9. Trac's BEST season av every is 81.5.
Dusty's second worse average is 88.5 (third year).

Pick Trac if you think he's gonna break out but keep in mind to even break even with Dusty's floor (Dusty has gone >99 for last 7 seasons) he needs just under a 20 pt jump.

 

[PC]

If you are comparing Petracca and Dusty you are doing this wrong

Everyone needs to calm down and listen to Dimma...

 

[Toothless Tigers]

If you are comparing Petracca and Dusty you are doing this wrong

Dusty has played 10 seasons. In his first season, Dustry averaged 77.9. Trac's BEST season av every is 81.5.
Dusty's second worse average is 88.5 (third year).

Pick Trac if you think he's gonna break out but keep in mind to even break even with Dusty's floor (Dusty has gone >99 for last 7 seasons) he needs just under a 20 pt jump.

Typical Gerard Healy hype regarding Weagles, Swans & Demons players!

The 24-year-old's performance was so impressive that he earned comparisons to reigning Norm Smith Medallist Dustin Martin from AFL legend Gerard Healy.

"I think we've got the blueprint. Isn't he Dustin Martin-esque?" Healy said on commentary for Fox Footy.

"He's got that capacity, he can go into the middle. I mean Dusty is in a stratosphere of his own, and I understand that, but this guy has got that unique capacity to do the damage at both.

"Maybe he's just a mid-forward. You don't go and waste your time down in defence, you've got the foot soldiers to just run down there.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/christ...de-crows/15369fc4-8fe1-4daf-8111-abc9009ffa12