Position Forwards Discussion

[Bermi]

The pies put all their efforts into stopping Jack that night and for the most part it worked, I think Lynch would have been of great benefit.

I also think you can’t omit those big scores because they are likely to continue against the likes of Freo, the blues, the suns and the dogs

It's going to be tough for teams to stop Lynch and Riewoldt, really tough. Riewoldt is a class player who I could see scoring more goals then Lynch in some games. Some games Lynch will score the most goals and other games Riewoldt will (and maybe Caddy might out score both now and again). So I see that there is a possibility that Riewoldt may keep Lynch's average lower than what some of us are expecting him to score.

RE: ….you can’t omit those big scores......
Yes, there is a possibility that Lynch will score over 150pts at RIC, but it will be more likely if Riewoldt isn't playing (or he is playing with an injury).
Also unlikely Riewoldt will score 219 pts again, if Lynch is playing.

 

[Bermi]

It's a fair point, but I imagine that many of us aren't expecting him to score 95 22 times and call it a day. Those spike games will be crucial to averaging 95+ throughout the season.

Arguably, Richmond will help him make more defenses throughout the league look inexperienced!

When was the last time Richmond played 2 genuine key forwards?

I can see Lynch having spike games, I just don't think he will be spiking very high if Riewoldt is there to take points of Lynch.
On the other hand, if Riewoldt is having a spike game, then Lynch's scoring will be even lower.

RE: Arguably, Richmond will help him make more defenses throughout the league look inexperienced!
You are right about that, so Lynch and Riewoldt both could score well, sharing the points.

RE: When was the last time Richmond played 2 genuine key forwards?
Good question. Actually, arguably, 2 gun forwards.
At the moment, I can't think of any team that played to gun forwards in the same game. I'm sure there must have been?

 

[pizza safety]

It's going to be tough for teams to stop Lynch and Riewoldt, really tough. Riewoldt is a class player who I could see scoring more goals then Lynch in some games. Some games Lynch will score the most goals and other games Riewoldt will (and maybe Caddy might out score both now and again). So I see that there is a possibility that Riewoldt may keep Lynch's average lower than what some of us are expecting him to score.

RE: ….you can’t omit those big scores......
Yes, there is a possibility that Lynch will score over 150pts at RIC, but it will be more likely if Riewoldt isn't playing (or he is playing with an injury).
Also unlikely Riewoldt will score 219 pts again, if Lynch is playing.

I think we have to do some research and test the premise that two elite forwards can't go massive together. Like I said in general having more than 1 gun target forward seems to actually improve and not hinder the performance of all forwards.

 

[Seymour Skinner]

I can see Lynch having spike games, I just don't think he will be spiking very high if Riewoldt is there to take points of Lynch.
On the other hand, if Riewoldt is having a spike game, then Lynch's scoring will be even lower.

RE: Arguably, Richmond will help him make more defenses throughout the league look inexperienced!
You are right about that, so Lynch and Riewoldt both could score well, sharing the points.

RE: When was the last time Richmond played 2 genuine key forwards?
Good question. Actually, arguably, 2 gun forwards.
At the moment, I can't think of any team that played to gun forwards in the same game. I'm sure there must have been?

Very disrespectful to The Great Tyrone Vickery.

 

[Bomber18]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1082489186920218624

 

[Santoz]

Footywire's Team Inside 50 stats can be of some help also.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_team_rankings?year=2018&type=TA&sby=20

In 2018, Richmond ranked 2nd in the AFL with inside 50's at 59 per game.

Poor old Gold Coast were 2nd last at 47 per game.

Bodes well IMO for Lynch at least being able to maintain a 95+ average as although he'll be sharing more of the pie, it'll be a slightly bigger (and better quality) pie.

 

[pizza safety]

Footywire's Team Inside 50 stats can be of some help also.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_team_rankings?year=2018&type=TA&sby=20

In 2018, Richmond ranked 2nd in the AFL with inside 50's at 59 per game.

Poor old Gold Coast were 2nd last at 47 per game.

Bodes well IMO for Lynch at least being able to maintain a 95+ average as although he'll be sharing more of the pie, it'll be a slightly bigger (and better quality) pie.

As well as better delivery and more one on one's. As some others have pointed out, the concern is more with his body than if he will score better at Richmond imo.

 

[randomcliche]

I think we have to do some research and test the premise that two elite forwards can't go massive together. Like I said in general having more than 1 gun target forward seems to actually improve and not hinder the performance of all forwards.

The first pair that spring to mind as hawks fan is Roughy (85) and Buddy (107) 2008. Second was a young Tex (99) playing next to Tippett (85) the year prior to his departure in 2012. Perhaps NRoo (114) and Gehrig (87) in 2007. These partnersips are a bit dated but you get the drift. At least one of them can tonne up. I'm was sure J.Brown and another Lynch would have had some cracking scores together, but then I check Lynch's DT scores and they were horrid. Perhaps West Coast are most relevant team to look at at present when their big boys are both fit???

 

[pizza safety]

The first pair that spring to mind as hawks fan is Roughy (85) and Buddy (107) 2008. Second was a young Tex (99) playing next to Tippett (85) the year prior to his departure in 2012. Perhaps NRoo (114) and Gehrig (87) in 2007. These partnersips are a bit dated but you get the drift. At least one of them can tonne up. I'm was sure J.Brown and another Lynch would have had some cracking scores together, but then I check Lynch's DT scores and they were horrid. Perhaps West Coast are most relevant team to look at at present when their big boys are both fit???

Yeah it's hard to say especially when the whole game is pretty different to how it was back then. We had Hogan and McDonald last year as well as Breust and Gunston (even though Gunston had other ways of scoring than just marks and goals). Daniher also had a better year with Hooker playing in the forward line in 2017.

 

[Darkie]

The first pair that spring to mind as hawks fan is Roughy (85) and Buddy (107) 2008. Second was a young Tex (99) playing next to Tippett (85) the year prior to his departure in 2012. Perhaps NRoo (114) and Gehrig (87) in 2007. These partnersips are a bit dated but you get the drift. At least one of them can tonne up. I'm was sure J.Brown and another Lynch would have had some cracking scores together, but then I check Lynch's DT scores and they were horrid. Perhaps West Coast are most relevant team to look at at present when their big boys are both fit???

Good discussion above.

WC recently is the one that came to mind for me. I know JJK wasn’t fit, but I got the strong sense that Darling may have been pinching some of his points this year. Personally I think the best of JJK may be behind us.

Buddy/Tippett potentially another combo to consider.

 

[BlueNwhiteHoops]

(For the record, I am undecided about starting Lynch, I'm just putting cases forward)

Lynch won't have 2 or 3 defenders hanging off him as he did at GCS.
But Lynch will have 2 or 3 RIC forwards to share the goal kicking with (Riewoldt, Caddy and maybe Dusty). Lynch was basically the only forward target at the Suns.

BTW, Lynch may have averaged 112pts in wins at the Suns, but that high average was influenced when he played against an inexperienced defence: 2018 Rd2 vs CAR = 180pts and 2017 Rd4 vs CAR = 161pts.

Monday, 7 May 2018
Alex Rance has doubts about whether Richmond should be going after Gold Coast co-captain Tom Lynch as a free agent, arguing that it may unsettle the club's list management and team structure.
"I don't necessarily believe that we should be upsetting the apple cart, to go and chase a big fish ... he (Lynch) is the big tuna," Rance said.
"I think you always have to look at the big picture when it comes to these things."
Roger Vaughan, AAP for AFL.com.au

I think Lynch arriving makes JROO more interesting too. I wonder if we'll see Jack taking more marks/contests up on the wings now he will be given more freedom, is he capable of playing the NRoo role? If we start to see better ball movement out of defence with the new rule changes I can see these mobile forward types getting more action from quicker and longer kicks out of defence.

 

[toxic]

I think Lynch arriving makes JROO more interesting too. I wonder if we'll see Jack taking more marks/contests up on the wings now he will be given more freedom, is he capable of playing the NRoo role? If we start to see better ball movement out of defence with the new rule changes I can see these mobile chf types getting more action from quicker and longer kicks out of defence.

JRoo to become more like NRoo

 

[Santoz]

I think Lynch arriving makes JROO more interesting too. I wonder if we'll see Jack taking more marks/contests up on the wings now he will be given more freedom, is he capable of playing the NRoo role? If we start to see better ball movement out of defence with the new rule changes I can see these mobile forward types getting more action from quicker and longer kicks out of defence.

Very interesting. Maybe they anchor Lynch closer at home to save the wear & tear on his body. JROO more than capable of playing hit up higher up the field.

 

[randomcliche]

Very disrespectful to The Great Tyrone Vickery.

Bhahahahaha. I want everybody to vomit each time a reporter writes Hawthorn have a proven ability make good recycled players.

 

[Bomber18]

Some good discussion on TLynch so far (I’m sure he’ll be debated a lot more in the preseason to come).

The injury risk is still the main concern for me over the concerns he may not score as well in tandem with JRoo. I wouldn’t be too disappointed if he went at a 90 avg over 22 games, just as long as he didn’t miss games or score poorly for a stretch due to playing with a back injury, etc. Still think he can push 95+ though.

He could also be a pinch hitter as well if he ever had a stretch of big games. I wouldn’t be afraid to trade him out if he ever got to $560k odd.

 

[TopBillings]

JRoo to become more like NRoo

I just vomited all over myself.

Poor mans Nick Riewoldt you mean.

 

[pizza safety]

I just vomited all over myself.

Poor mans Nick Riewoldt you mean.

The rock n roll Riewoldt

 

[Presto]

Bhahahahaha. I want everybody to vomit each time a reporter writes Hawthorn have a proven ability make good recycled players.

Hawthorn have a proven ability to make good recycled players

 

[Bomber18]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1082843625606721538

 

[Bermi]

Freo now have a number of talls, Hogan, Lobb, McCarthy, Taberner, & Cox.
I like selecting Fwds who play in the Midfield and I recall seeing HOGAN play some midfield roles last year. I am not sure how much time he played mid, or if he was good playing there? I know he has good endurance and think Ross might play him midfield a lot and so he could be a good scorer. He'll be 24yo and can score quite high.
Hogan only got a partial stress fracture and 2 weeks ago he started running, but not sure if he will be ready for Rd1, will have to monitor that.

Any opinions if he is worth including on my 'For Consideration' list?

Tuesday, 14 August 2018
Jesse Hogan to miss the rest of the season after scans confirmed he had suffered a partial stress fracture in the navicular bone in his right foot......"It's just a crack so it's not disastrous. We caught it pretty early," Hogan said...…...it didn't crack all the way through thankfully so I won't require surgery or anything but it's enough to keep me out for the rest of the season."
Mitch Cleary and Ben Guthrie for AFL.com.au