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Which team wins a final first?

  • Essendon

    Votes: 23 28.4%
  • Tasmania

    Votes: 58 71.6%

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Someone should really do a mash up of Robbo’s physical expressions on 360. Would be a crack up. Especially with the vocal synchronized ones.
 
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Fingers crossed they get rid of the sub

View: https://twitter.com/agerealfooty/status/1801447561808724045


"AFL changes, such as a decision on the push to scrap the substitute and add a fifth player to the bench, will be among the issues canvassed at a full-day meeting of football heads this month.
The 18 club football managers will meet for a league briefing on June 25 that will cover 27 areas within three main categories in the detailed competitive balance review: football performance, football operations and talent pathways.

The push by several coaches to do away with the sub, which is unpopular with players and coaches alike, and instead add the fifth player to the bench is one of the key decisions that clubs are waiting on.
Adding another player to the bench instead of having a substitute would raise significant list management questions for clubs, and particularly whether more clubs would seek to play a genuine second ruckman and rotate players off the bench instead of using a hybrid player as a second ruck as many do now.

While several clubs would just add another runner and keep their structure, any change to playing numbers in the game would raise questions for list managers."
 
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Fingers crossed they get rid of the sub

View: https://twitter.com/agerealfooty/status/1801447561808724045


"AFL changes, such as a decision on the push to scrap the substitute and add a fifth player to the bench, will be among the issues canvassed at a full-day meeting of football heads this month.
The 18 club football managers will meet for a league briefing on June 25 that will cover 27 areas within three main categories in the detailed competitive balance review: football performance, football operations and talent pathways.

The push by several coaches to do away with the sub, which is unpopular with players and coaches alike, and instead add the fifth player to the bench is one of the key decisions that clubs are waiting on.
Adding another player to the bench instead of having a substitute would raise significant list management questions for clubs, and particularly whether more clubs would seek to play a genuine second ruckman and rotate players off the bench instead of using a hybrid player as a second ruck as many do now.

While several clubs would just add another runner and keep their structure, any change to playing numbers in the game would raise questions for list managers."
Where does it end? They brought the sub in to allow for a concussed player to be subbed off, then it was any injured player and now it's whoever whenever.
If they go to a 5th sub, in a year or 2 clubs will bleat about how they are disadvantaged when someone is injured, and they are down a rotation.
By all means scrap the sub, but leave it at 4 on the bench.
 
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Where does it end? They brought the sub in to allow for a concussed player to be subbed off, then it was any injured player and now it's whoever whenever.
If they go to a 5th sub, in a year or 2 clubs will bleat about how they are disadvantaged when someone is injured, and they are down a rotation.
By all means scrap the sub, but leave it at 4 on the bench.
Wholeheartedly agree with this however I doubt that will be a consideration. Much prefer 5 on the bench and no sub however it will mean all our playing rookies will likely get lower TOG.
 
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Where does it end? They brought the sub in to allow for a concussed player to be subbed off, then it was any injured player and now it's whoever whenever.
If they go to a 5th sub, in a year or 2 clubs will bleat about how they are disadvantaged when someone is injured, and they are down a rotation.
By all means scrap the sub, but leave it at 4 on the bench.
I think the argument is that the difference between 3 v 4 on the bench more impactful than the difference between 5 v 4. So by having a 5th player teams can absorb a lost rotation better. It’s also relevant if teams lose 2 or more too.
I think the reality is the way the game had changed, 5 on the bench made sense more than 4 + a sub.
 
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I think the argument is that the difference between 3 v 4 on the bench more impactful than the difference between 5 v 4. So by having a 5th player teams can absorb a lost rotation better. It’s also relevant if teams lose 2 or more too.
I think the reality is the way the game had changed, 5 on the bench made sense more than 4 + a sub.
But that argument is infinite.
 

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It is, but the difference trends towards infinity small the more it goes. The reality is that the smaller the bench, the more significant a lost rotation is. The sub addressed that to an extent but in a flawed capacity (and one that everyone hates).
Maybe they could pair allowing 5 interchange players with reducing the cap on number of interchanges in a match by 5-10? Less rotations would reduce the impact of an injury too I would think.
 
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Maybe they could pair allowing 5 interchange players with reducing the cap on number of interchanges in a match by 5-10? Less rotations would reduce the impact of an injury too I would think.
Yeah I don't mind that, although would like to see a comprehensive study that it leads to less injuries and not just different injuries.
 

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Yeah I don't mind that, although would like to see a comprehensive study that it leads to less injuries and not just different injuries.
Trying to think outside the square - Maybe the AFL could put the risk back onto the clubs to decide. Something like every team get 4 interchange players and 80 rotations for a match. A club can then choose to name extra interchange players for a match, but each extra player they choose to start on the bench they lose 10 rotations.
 
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Trying to think outside the square - Maybe the AFL could put the risk back onto the clubs to decide. Something like every team get 4 interchange players and 80 rotations for a match. A club can then choose to name extra interchange players for a match, but each extra player they choose to start on the bench they lose 10 rotations.
That would be super interesting to see unfold in reality! Would allow for some strategy around list management too.
 

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I actually enjoyed no Thursday night footy this round. Probably in the minority.

It would be interesting to know the public opinion on Thursday night footy, but it didn't get asked as a question in their fan survey, the closest was asking the preferred time slot to watch games. It is worth taking the survey below just to vote for one of the "no sub" options in one of the questions though (options are either 4 or 5 on the bench with no sub or 4 on the bench plus a sub):

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1114608/footy-fan-survey-have-your-say-on-the-games-biggest-issues
 
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