Position Midfielder Discussion

Who are your likely 3 starters post Marsh 1...?

  • Macrae

    Votes: 74 69.2%
  • Neale

    Votes: 57 53.3%
  • Fyfe

    Votes: 21 19.6%
  • Kelly

    Votes: 26 24.3%
  • Cripps

    Votes: 58 54.2%
  • Dunkley

    Votes: 26 24.3%
  • Titch

    Votes: 20 18.7%
  • Danger

    Votes: 25 23.4%
  • Bont

    Votes: 25 23.4%
  • Oliver

    Votes: 35 32.7%

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Gold Coast:
After RD4 (RD= 22 CBA)
84 CBA
J Witts: 73
H Greenwood: 58
M Rowell: 55
T Miller: 52
L Weller: 51
D Swallow: 17
S Day: 11
W Brodie: 6
B Fiorini: 5
N Holman: 5
D MacPherson: 2
S Lemmens: 1
Gold Coast:
After RD5 (RD5= 25 CBA)
109 CBA
J Witts: 97
H Greenwood: 77
T Miller: 67
L Weller: 65
M Rowell: 60
D Swallow: 34
S Day: 12
N Holman: 10
W Brodie: 6
B Fiorini: 5
D MacPherson: 2
S Lemmens: 1
 

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Geelong:
After RD4 (RD4= 17 CBA):
104 CBA
P Dangerfield: 84
J Selwood: 81
Q Narkle: 48
R Stanley: 44
D Fort: 36
C Guthrie: 33
M Duncan: 27
E Ratugloea: 21
B Parfitt: 20
T Atkins: 6
J Steven: 6
G Ablett: 3
M Blicavs: 3
S Menegola: 3
L Dahlhaus: 1
Geelong:
After RD5 (RD5= 25 CBA)
129 CBA
P Dangerfield: 100
J Selwood: 98
Q Narkle: 58
D Fort: 55
R Stanley: 44
C Guthrie: 39
B Parfitt: 37
M Duncan: 32
E Ratugolea: 27
J Steven: 10
T Atkins: 6
G Ablett: 3
M Blicavs: 3
S Menegola: 3
L Dahlhaus: 1
 

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GWS:
After RD4 (RD4= 23 CBA)
94 CBA
M DeBoer: 71
J Hopper: 69
S Jacobs: 61
S Conglio: 53
J Kelly: 31
T Green: 24
C Ward: 24
S Mumford: 19
J Finlayson: 14
J Caldwell: 7
T Greene: 2
B Daniels: 1
GWS:
After RD5 (RD5= 24 CBA)
118 CBA
M DeBoer: 91
J Hopper: 84
S Coniglio: 73
S Jacobs: 61
S Mumford: 40
J Kelly: 39
T Green: 33
C Ward: 24
J Finlayson: 17
J Caldwell: 7
T Greene: 2
B Daniels: 1
 

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Hawthorn:
After RD4 (RD4= 20 CBA)
93 CBA
J Ceglar 76
T Mitchell 75
J Worpel 61
J O'Meara 49
L Shiels 38
C Wingard 32
S Burgoyne 12
T O'Brien 12
L Bruest 8
B McEvoy 4
P Puopolo 2
R Henderson 1
M Lewis 1
I Smith 1
Hawthorn:
After RD5 (Rd5= 24 CBA)
117 CBA
T Mitchell 94
J Ceglar 89
J Worpel 75
J O’Meara 68
L Shiels 41
C Wingard 36
B McEvoy 15
H Jones 15
S Burgoyne 13
T O’Brien 12
L Breust 8
R Henderson 2
P Puopolo 2
M Lewis 1
I Smith 1
 

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Melbourne:
After RD4 (RD4= 17 CBA)
59 CBA
M Gawn 57
C Oliver 50
J Viney 48
C Petracca 40
A Brayshaw 35
J Harmes 2
N Jones 2
L Jackson 1
T McDonald 1
Melbourne:
After RD5 (RD5= 23 CBA)
82 CBA
M Gawn 77
C Oliver 68
J Viney 66
C Petracca 56
A Brayshaw 43
J Harmes 10
A Tomlinson 3
N Jones 2
L Jackson 1
T McDonald 1
A vandenBerg 1
 
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Gold Coast:
After RD5 (RD5= 25 CBA)
109 CBA
J Witts: 97
H Greenwood: 77
T Miller: 67
L Weller: 65
M Rowell: 60
D Swallow: 34
S Day: 12
N Holman: 10
W Brodie: 6
B Fiorini: 5
D MacPherson: 2
S Lemmens: 1
So looking at that Swallow was the one benefitting from Rowell's injury.

Not sure if Greenwood and Tuk Tuk will get anymore significant CBA time.
 
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Having a look at Jack Steele 2019 vs. 2020

2019 numbers first.

D: 21.9 v 20.2

K: 9.8 v 9.6

H: 12.2 v 10.6

M: 4.0 v 4.6

G: 0.1 v 0.4

T: 8.2 v 6.4

CL: 4.3 v 3.2

CG: 3.2 v 1.8

FF: 1.1 v 2.2

SC: 95.0 v 117.6

Obviously there is 20% less game time this year but I'm finding it hard to see where Steele's scoring improvement has come from. The only significant stats I can see are less clangers and more frees for. Does anyone have any ideas how Steele has managed such a remarkable increase in his scoring this season?
 
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Having a look at Jack Steele 2019 vs. 2020

2019 numbers first.

D: 21.9 v 20.2

K: 9.8 v 9.6

H: 12.2 v 10.6

M: 4.0 v 4.6

G: 0.1 v 0.4

T: 8.2 v 6.4

CL: 4.3 v 3.2

CG: 3.2 v 1.8

FF: 1.1 v 2.2

SC: 95.0 v 117.6

Obviously there is 20% less game time this year but I'm finding it hard to see where Steele's scoring improvement has come from. The only significant stats I can see are less clangers and more frees for. Does anyone have any ideas how Steele has managed such a remarkable increase in his scoring this season?
Probably more impact on winning side and nullifying opponents accounted for in shorter games. His DE might be up also as that isn't shown in ur stats.
 
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Essendon:
After RD5 (RD5= 21 CBA)
86 CBA
D Shiel 71
A McGrath: 62
T Bellchambers: 59
J Stringer: 56
D Smith: 21
A Phillips: 20
Z Merrett: 17
A McDonald-Tipungwuti: 14
D Parish: 12
K Langford: 7
S McKernan: 4
J Townsend: 1
Hopefully with McKenna back, Fantasia can go forward and Parish can take a good % of Stringer’s CBA’s...
 

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Having a look at Jack Steele 2019 vs. 2020

2019 numbers first.

D: 21.9 v 20.2

K: 9.8 v 9.6

H: 12.2 v 10.6

M: 4.0 v 4.6

G: 0.1 v 0.4

T: 8.2 v 6.4

CL: 4.3 v 3.2

CG: 3.2 v 1.8

FF: 1.1 v 2.2

SC: 95.0 v 117.6

Obviously there is 20% less game time this year but I'm finding it hard to see where Steele's scoring improvement has come from. The only significant stats I can see are less clangers and more frees for. Does anyone have any ideas how Steele has managed such a remarkable increase in his scoring this season?
If he delivered exactly the same stats (in the same circumstances - ie same effective possession %, etc) that could lift his SC to 119, all else equal, because of the shortened games (2019 = 95 x 1.25 = 118.75). Ie just maintaining his stats is an excellent effort and justifies most if not all of the increase.

Other potential contributors would be an increase in the proportion of his possessions that were contested, or disposal efficiency.
 
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If he delivered exactly the same stats (in the same circumstances - ie same effective possession %, etc) that could lift his SC to 119, all else equal, because of the shortened games (2019 = 95 x 1.25 = 118.75). Ie just maintaining his stats is an excellent effort and justifies most if not all of the increase.

Other potential contributors would be an increase in the proportion of his possessions that were contested, or disposal efficiency.
Bearing in mind that I'm not all that great with maths and you might be completely right, that logic doesn't entirely make sense to me. Otherwise shouldn't all players average x 1.25 their usual output? There are still only 3300 points allocated to each game so I don't believe this theory stands. I do appreciate your input though Darkie!
 

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Bearing in mind that I'm not all that great with maths and you might be completely right, that logic doesn't entirely make sense to me. Otherwise shouldn't all players average x 1.25 their usual output? There are still only 3300 points allocated to each game so I don't believe this theory stands. I do appreciate your input though Darkie!
You're right in that there are only 3,300 points, although (at least theoretically), there should be 20% fewer kicks, handballs, marks and so on, because of the reduced TOG.

If that's the case, and Steele still contributes the same number as he did last year, his relative contribution has gone up (this being the key bit), so he gets a bigger share of the 3,300 pie.
 
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You're right in that there are only 3,300 points, although (at least theoretically), there should be 20% fewer kicks, handballs, marks and so on, because of the reduced TOG.

If that's the case, and Steele still contributes the same number as he did last year, his relative contribution has gone up (this being the key bit), so he gets a bigger share of the 3,300 pie.
Ah, that makes complete sense now. I think you have cracked the code to Steele's improved scoring!
 

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I find that extremely hard to believe. Yes Fyfe obviously had to play more forward in the second half to be a target as Lobb moved into the middle. But Fyfe played the entire second half within the forward 30, and that's being generous, he barely left the square. He played his normal midfield role in that first half, then not one CBA after half time (from what I recall), not even in the dying 2mins when there were two or three CBAs with the Saints on a bit of a run with a couple of goals. If he was fully fit as stated above, and it was purely tactical, I reckon we would've seen him chasing harder and looking to put on pressure as the Saints came out of the defensive 50. There was just none of that from Fyfey today.
 

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I find that extremely hard to believe. Yes Fyfe obviously had to play more forward in the second half to be a target as Lobb moved into the middle. But Fyfe played the entire second half within the forward 30, and that's being generous, he barely left the square. He played his normal midfield role in that first half, then not one CBA after half time (from what I recall), not even in the dying 2mins when there were two or three CBAs with the Saints on a bit of a run with a couple of goals. If he was fully fit as stated above, and it was purely tactical, I reckon we would've seen him chasing harder and looking to put on pressure as the Saints came out of the defensive 50. There was just none of that from Fyfey today.
Yeah hoping that’s all it is i.e. being managed. I’m happy he got his 80 odd from an early return as I think I’d have a donut otherwise.

Hope he doesn’t become a perma fwd tho...
 
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