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Do you foresee any problem with Tracca maintaining his form given the extra 25% game time and his notable fitness issues in the past?

Seems like shortened quarters were perfect for him and NicNat last year?
I don’t think it will be a factor at all.

At the end of 2019 before we even knew we would have a compromised 2020 season, Trac worked his butt off on his fitness levels and endurance. Also went from being a bit of a prankster at training to one of our most committed.

I feel as though the penny has dropped and he has finally realised his potential at AFL level which will translate to him being one of the best scoring SC players for years to come.
 
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Cumming vs h. Young

rayner vs rozee
I'm considering Rozee even though he burnt me last year when he played injured.
If he is slated to play at least 50% of time in the midfield I might pick him.
The new rule will help his scoring as well.
 
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Do you foresee any problem with Tracca maintaining his form given the extra 25% game time and his notable fitness issues in the past?

Seems like shortened quarters were perfect for him and NicNat last year?
I think Petracca's role is vulnerable. Like Bont. I'm not suggesting he goes back to his old role and still think he can be one of the best players in the comp but if Melbourne need a good forward he is possibly the one. I'd like to watch some games first without Brown and Weideman.
 
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Whitfield vs Dunkley

If Whitfield is there come round 1 he might be underdone or Dunkley who has question marks all over his Fwd/Mid split.

Laird would be rotated to M4 for Whitfield at D2 and Dunkley would be at M4 with Laird sitting at D2.
 
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Whitfield vs Dunkley

If Whitfield is there come round 1 he might be underdone or Dunkley who has question marks all over his Fwd/Mid split.

Laird would be rotated to M4 for Whitfield at D2 and Dunkley would be at M4 with Laird sitting at D2.
It's hard to start Whitfield having missed so much training so close to rnd 1. If it was something like a broken finger where he could still run it would probably be ok but my understanding is that he hasn't been able to do anything.
 
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I think Petracca's role is vulnerable. Like Bont. I'm not suggesting he goes back to his old role and still think he can be one of the best players in the comp but if Melbourne need a good forward he is possibly the one. I'd like to watch some games first without Brown and Weideman.
Good point, hadn't thought about that. Petracca has been locked in my mids since SC opened.
 
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I think Petracca's role is vulnerable. Like Bont. I'm not suggesting he goes back to his old role and still think he can be one of the best players in the comp but if Melbourne need a good forward he is possibly the one. I'd like to watch some games first without Brown and Weideman.
If I trusted Goodwin I'd rebut this with a bit more solidarity but Petracca is another perfect example of a midfielder who actually provides more scoreboard impact from the midfield than he does as a forward and I think they finally worked it out last year.

He's like Heeney, Parker, Bontempelli and many others who their coaches think are good forwards because when they push forward matched up against a midfielder they take big marks and are genuinely dangerous, the second it's Rampe, Grimes and co that are manning them they're just mediocre forwards, better still than most mids but still not good forwards on their own.

Danger and Martin are truly special in that they're genuinely good forwards and everyone is hoping their guy can do it but even some of the very best aren't good at it (Bont for example). Petracca is probably in the above average tier, fwiw, but he's still not a game changing forward like he is in the midfield.

Of course, Goodwin as the coach completely undermines all of this logic and so your point is not just valid but strong!

Still, I think I've just about locked him in at this point for my team, one of those things where when I keep gravitating to a pick over and over no matter the draft team, then it's time to accept you just rate the proposition!
 
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Heeney Vs Williams/Duggan

It means either Martin or Laird in the midfield?
I worry Heeney is going to post some poor scores in a struggling Swans outfit. Williams has forward role where his scoring fell away at GWS, change of role and team.

Duggan as he is probably better if he is defender than even mid based on last years scores (last two games he received CBA's although Saints a hard team to match up on).
 
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I worry Heeney is going to post some poor scores in a struggling Swans outfit. Williams has forward role where his scoring fell away at GWS, change of role and team.

Duggan as he is probably better if he is defender than even mid based on last years scores (last two games he received CBA's although Saints a hard team to match up on).
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Heppell vs Harmes (Laird can swing into the mids)
Good question - I was starting to wonder if Heppell is less of a priority than another non-rookie defender.

I was thinking of Young or Cumming ... not sure of the answer to be honest, but I think for me it’s a two part X vs Y, and depends on who the paired rookies are.

At the moment I have Heppell and have not had Harmes, but as you can see, I’m reassessing.
 
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Good question - I was starting to wonder if Heppell is less of a priority than another non-rookie defender.

I was thinking of Young or Cumming ... not sure of the answer to be honest, but I think for me it’s a two part X vs Y, and depends on who the paired rookies are.

At the moment I have Heppell and have not had Harmes, but as you can see, I’m reassessing.
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Heppell vs Harmes (Laird can swing into the mids)
Good question - I was starting to wonder if Heppell is less of a priority than another non-rookie defender.

I was thinking of Young or Cumming ... not sure of the answer to be honest, but I think for me it’s a two part X vs Y, and depends on who the paired rookies are.

At the moment I have Heppell and have not had Harmes, but as you can see, I’m reassessing.
For mine it comes down to what you're going for.

Heppell I think is highly unlikely to hit premium numbers, there's a chance but his half back days capped out in the 90s for the most part and given the injury last year I think mid 90s is a solid expectation. At that level Heppell matches all but the best rookies and is a strong pick. If you believe stronger in his keeper potential then he becomes a must have but, imo, the realistic outcome is Heppell is a cash cow.

Harmes is harder to predict, in the right role he's a mid 90s guy who, barring a big change in overall defender scoring, would be a premium at that level. On the flipside I have a much harder time saying a 90s projection is a solid expectation for him. I think mid 80s+ is all you can really say with any certainty given his scoring history and a lot more role questions.

Basically... Harmes has better chances of being a keeper and also much better chances of being a poor pick. For mine Heppell should be a pretty safe cash cow pick, the mid rookies probably look good enough at this point to question whether he's needed for that purpose but his JS and scoring potential would justify the premium if you had that cash lying around.

I don't think either are likely to end up as genuinely bad picks barring injury. Harmes can score explosively and at an 85 average generates 100k, not a good pick but not a failure. Heppell makes 130k at 85 which would match his rookie output in the same role. Neither of those outcomes are disasters you can't recover from and there's more than enough upside on Harmes to justify the pick with that as your low end expectation and Heppell the same though the lack of keeper likelihood does lower it.

Ultimately I want to see Harmes' role with all the other mids playing but if his role holds up to what it was in the 1st match, I like him slightly more than Heppell because for me the #1 thing I always look for in a midprice pick is the keeper likelihood and Harmes wins that by the nature of the position he's listed at even if I think Heppell has a higher likelihood of averaging more.
 
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