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Hey Rowsus, just wondering if you'll be doing the brownlow thread again? Will you be making any changes this year or will it be the same as last year? Cant wait! :D
Yes, there will be a running week to week Brownlow thread again. Fraction Quartered (FQ) was the star last year, picking Ablett first with 27.75 votes, and Selwood second with 27.5. It was only 0.75votes away from picking first and second, in order, with their scores correct! So this year it is fraction quatered and a slightly adjusted RAMP that will get published weekly.
 

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Hi Rowsus,

I was just wondering from a stats point of view how important you rate a floating donut? I currently have Zach Merrett in my forwards as a cash cow, but am debating switching Thurlow to the forward line and using his DPP with Ben Brown as a non-playing R4.

My initial thoughts were that cash generation at the start is key and I can worry about loopholes later on. Especially with the lack of R/F premiums to make Brown still useful after Thurlow has been cashed in. But I can't see Merrett's cash generation being huge and I'd then likely miss out on loophole opportunities for the first few rounds at least.

Thanks!
Hi Beached az,

There's no statistical data to back this up, just my opinion. This year it looks like cash will be harder to make than any other season. That being the case, I suggest you maximise your opportunities to make money, and let the loophole doughnuts present themselves when they will. It will undoubtedly happen, and usually early. I can't remember the last time I had all 30 players playing in round 3.
 

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Given it enough thought yet ? or maybe you not seen enough play from Challenge games to give your idea of what it may be for 1st round.

If not, don't worry about it. Might be a challenge in Denmark seeing enough footage to give one.
To be honest, I haven't given it a lot of thought. "best 22's" are a good concept, but that's all they are. It comes down to opposition your side is playing that week, and the fleeting form of the fringe players.
 
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Hi RocketPip,

If you decide to dump him it is hard to know who is best ot replace him. Parker or Mitchell actually need to take a step up if you take them. Last years scores won't cut it. Wingard's scores would be ok, if he could repeat them. Roughies scores from last year are good enough, too. I tossed up between Parker and Mitchell for days, and ended up dumping them both for Roughie. He's a risk too, but if he stays fit, he should be good enough to hold a season long top 10-12 Fwd spot. Maybe even F3. History would say Roughie and Wingard are the safer options, followed by Buddy, then Parker/Mitchell. Existing or most current form, over returning to previous level, over setting new levels. But temepred with believing and analysing what you see in front of you.
I have Mitchell because he only averaged 86 minutes per game last year to Parkers 94. Although Mitchell seems to get injured I think there is more potential and Sydney have a better draw than last year. I find Roughead a real unknown this year without Buddy. More opportunity or more opposition attention? His minutes per game went up last year, could this be reduced with a more durable ruckman in McEvoy?
 

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I have Mitchell because he only averaged 86 minutes per game last year to Parkers 94. Although Mitchell seems to get injured I think there is more potential and Sydney have a better draw than last year. I find Roughead a real unknown this year without Buddy. More opportunity or more opposition attention? His minutes per game went up last year, could this be reduced with a more durable ruckman in McEvoy?
If forced to pick between Parker and Mitchell, I'd probably go Mitchell too. He has more potential upside.
Roughie is an interesting one. Everyone keeps throwing him up as spending time in the Ruck. He just didn't do it last year, or was completely terrible at it!
In 2013 Roughie only recorded 60 Hitouts (27 of those recorded in 3 games, leaving the rest at 1.5/game!!!), or 2.4/game! If he won the Hitout in 40% of his contests, that's 6 contests/game. I'd guess he'd be in that many contests just from Forward pocket throw ins each game! To compare, in 2012 he had 212 Hitouts, at 9/game.
As to the extra attention with Buddy gone, I'm not worried about that. They are different type of players, and draw different kind of opponents. Gunston should fill the Buddy role, so Hawthorns structure, and therefore Roughies opposition, should be largely unchanged.
 
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Hey Rowsus, what are your thoughts on the empty Adelaide midfield (now missing Douglas), and Matt Wright? Extremely risky pick, but do you think he has the potential to be in the top 10 forwards this year? Hasn't been in my side at all, but tossing up between him, Caddy and Higgins. If you had to pick one of them who would it be?
 

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Hey Rowsus, what are your thoughts on the empty Adelaide midfield (now missing Douglas), and Matt Wright? Extremely risky pick, but do you think he has the potential to be in the top 10 forwards this year?

Hey dyii,
Adelaide have plenty of depth in their mids, even if a few of them are young and inexperienced.
Wright has the potential to be a top 10 Forward, but I don't rate that happening with any high probability. Maybe a 10% chance.
 
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Love Goldstein, had him last year with no hesitation and was confident he'd ruck alone without currie. He has been in my draft side all preseason and has only left for the first time today for minson. Purely for byes. Gives me 8-11-11 outs for the 3 weeks. If I switch back to Goldstein it's 9-10-11.

Does it really matter? Lol. Do I just go for who I think will do better overall, hard to split them but even though I a dog I have the soft spot for goldy. Though if currie is named which I doubt I'd go big will.

My post pasted from rucks. After reading jays article even though it's what I thought anyways I'm even more encouraged how I sit. I've always said don't let byes dictate decisions too much just consider them etc...

But with this one I guess I'm asking do I consider the byes with will vs goldy to leave me with only 8'outs the first bye. I already know you like goldy over will in general (so do,I) but interested in your thoughts taking into account the byes
 

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Love Goldstein, had him last year with no hesitation and was confident he'd ruck alone without currie. He has been in my draft side all preseason and has only left for the first time today for minson. Purely for byes. Gives me 8-11-11 outs for the 3 weeks. If I switch back to Goldstein it's 9-10-11.

Does it really matter? Lol. Do I just go for who I think will do better overall, hard to split them but even though I a dog I have the soft spot for goldy. Though if currie is named which I doubt I'd go big will.

My post pasted from rucks. After reading jays article even though it's what I thought anyways I'm even more encouraged how I sit. I've always said don't let byes dictate decisions too much just consider them etc...

But with this one I guess I'm asking do I consider the byes with will vs goldy to leave me with only 8'outs the first bye. I already know you like goldy over will in general (so do,I) but interested in your thoughts taking into account the byes
While in theory 8-11-11 is the ideal structure, I wouldn't change my team just because I had a 9-10-11. There's nothing wrong with that structure either.
I prefer to look at the structure numbers with the bench Rucks out, as it is unlikely they will play.
My current structure is 9-11-10, but with the bench Rucks out is 9-11-8!
 
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I'm thinking the same. I have curie as my FD/goldy backup then realised if I go big will he is just a FD lol.
 
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Put goldy back in. Think when freo have the bye I might go sandilands to minson irrespective of 211s form. I think even if fit eventually over the course of the year he will get managed. Just hope it's not before the bye
 
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Do premium half back flankers (Hurn, Hanley, Enright)/key defenders (Thompson, Taylor) tend to score better when they are part of a winning or losing team?
 

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Put goldy back in. Think when freo have the bye I might go sandilands to minson irrespective of 211s form. I think even if fit eventually over the course of the year he will get managed. Just hope it's not before the bye
Like it and dare I say will be a popular trade if Sandi has increased and Minson is showing similar form to last year.
 

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Do premium half back flankers (Hurn, Hanley, Enright)/key defenders (Thompson, Taylor) tend to score better when they are part of a winning or losing team?
Similar-ish to FTB analysis (I think?).
 

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Do premium half back flankers (Hurn, Hanley, Enright)/key defenders (Thompson, Taylor) tend to score better when they are part of a winning or losing team?
Similar-ish to FTB analysis (I think?).
Similar to an FTB question, but subtly different.
Off the top of my head I will say yes, around 5-7% better. I will give you a more detailed answer though. It will be up in about 90 minutes or so, so look for it then if you're a night owl, or in the morning if you're not. :)
 

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Do premium half back flankers (Hurn, Hanley, Enright)/key defenders (Thompson, Taylor) tend to score better when they are part of a winning or losing team?
I feel like they do in close games through 1%ers and intercept marks in the last quarter etc.
 

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Do premium half back flankers (Hurn, Hanley, Enright)/key defenders (Thompson, Taylor) tend to score better when they are part of a winning or losing team?

I've only looked at last years Defenders for this analysis. I used the top 10 Defenders from each of the three different catagories: Average, Aggregate and PIT65. For those new here, PIT65 is the total/average you get when you replace a Defenders score for missing a game with a Rookie, who we will assume scored 65. The percentage section of the table shows how their average score varied from their overall average score. It is broken up into wins and losses, and then by margins in wins and losses.
Individually there is quite some variance, but when we look at the bottom line, there is no great surprise. I was a little out with my 5-7% guess, as the variance is 4.5% (I will give myself a B, or 7/10 for my guess). We can see a predictable trend when those wins and losses are broken up into smaller and larger margins, too.
 
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Adcock solid as a rock in the L sections. Considering the Lions are likely to battle it out in the bottom 6 or even 4, is he worth considering?
 

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Adcock solid as a rock in the L sections. Considering the Lions are likely to battle it out in the bottom 6 or even 4, is he worth considering?
He's the poorman's Enright, and definitely worth considering.
 
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I've only looked at last years Defenders for this analysis. I used the top 10 Defenders from each of the three different catagories: Average, Aggregate and PIT65. For those new here, PIT65 is the total/average you get when you replace a Defenders score for missing a game with a Rookie, who we will assume scored 65. The percentage section of the table shows how their average score varied from their overall average score. It is broken up into wins and losses, and then by margins in wins and losses.
Individually there is quite some variance, but when we look at the bottom line, there is no great surprise. I was a little out with my 5-7% guess, as the variance is 4.5% (I will give myself a B, or 7/10 for my guess). We can see a predictable trend when those wins and losses are broken up into smaller and larger margins, too.
Wow i've gone Heath Shaw, but this is really making me rethink given he's now at GWS! Those figures for when he's in a losing squad are definitely not great!
 
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