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Hi Row,

Hope you've been well and are staying safe!

I have both Neale and Dunkley, so it seems like a double sideways is a given this week. In the interest of thinking outside the box, what factors would compel you to hold one injured premo on bench this week in favour of a rookie downgrade?
For me there are a few reasons and all of this is based on both Dunkley and Neale really needing to go, so not a long term hold consideration.

1. Strong loophole score - This one is obvious I think but if your rookie loophole options at their positions score great then you can hold them as the floating donut, especially if they're your only donut on the lines, basically if the rookie cover can remove the lost points then the sideways trade is not as valuable this week, although you'll still be likely benching another rookie so still value.

2. Strong rookie options - I think all of Macrae, Robertson, Farrar and Bosenvulagi have reasonable cases this week.

3. No obvious rookies next week - I don't think this one applies with Frederick and the two Pies boys certainly all chances, but if it does look likely then you'd know that next week would be a double upgrade type of week anyway and getting better rookies this week would have more value hopefully long term.

4. Rookie with a very unlikely/impossible BE - Again pretty obvious and I can't think of any that it applies to but basically if the rookie would lose significant cash you may as well make that downgrade this week and hold an asset that isn't changing, effectively those players are now cash in the bank and a donut until you activate the cash.

5. Premium target with massive BE - Same thing as above, grab the rookie this week, make some cash and get the premium cheaper next week.
 
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For me there are a few reasons and all of this is based on both Dunkley and Neale really needing to go, so not a long term hold consideration.

1. Strong loophole score - This one is obvious I think but if your rookie loophole options at their positions score great then you can hold them as the floating donut, especially if they're your only donut on the lines, basically if the rookie cover can remove the lost points then the sideways trade is not as valuable this week, although you'll still be likely benching another rookie so still value.

2. Strong rookie options - I think all of Macrae, Robertson, Farrar and Bosenvulagi have reasonable cases this week.

3. No obvious rookies next week - I don't think this one applies with Frederick and the two Pies boys certainly all chances, but if it does look likely then you'd know that next week would be a double upgrade type of week anyway and getting better rookies this week would have more value hopefully long term.

4. Rookie with a very unlikely/impossible BE - Again pretty obvious and I can't think of any that it applies to but basically if the rookie would lose significant cash you may as well make that downgrade this week and hold an asset that isn't changing, effectively those players are now cash in the bank and a donut until you activate the cash.

5. Premium target with massive BE - Same thing as above, grab the rookie this week, make some cash and get the premium cheaper next week.
This is brilliant, like many of your other contributions have been. May have to call you Rowsus Jr...or start calling Rowsus Wogitalia Jr :p

To address the factors:
1. TBC - Grundy my likely VC
2/3. General feel is that this week's crop are better than next week's crop. Frederick a strong week 1 but is he just keeping Jones' seat warm, and if so how much cash does he really make? Pies debutants don't look inspiring either - we have the option of seeing how they look again on Sat arvo, but that would mean committing to not taking Facrae and Farrar - leaving me Atu and Robertson.
4. Cox/Gulden/Berry/Warner all in firing line but I wouldn't describe any of them as being very unlikely/impossible. Expected price changes no more than $10k unfavourable so it's palatable.
5. Over the next 2 weeks, Ridley a near certainty to come in with strong watches on Marshall, Titch and Heeney.

Now leaning to something like:
Friday: Dunkley to Walsh/Bont (unsure how Bont's role changes with Dunkley out, v Walsh lacking scoring/injury history although hasn't missed a game so far)
Sat arvo: Assess Grundy + rookies and decide what trade 2 looks like
 

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Hi Rowsus,

With significant trades looming for the majority of the league, so I thought it'd benefit many to hear your views regarding the following players.

- Devon Robertson
- Hugh McLuggage
- Dayne Zorko
- Marcus Bontempelli
- Clayton Oliver
- Steele Sidebottom

If you had 330k in the bank, enough cash to pick any combination, which 2 would you select? Keep in mind if I go Bont + Oliver, I won't have room for Sidebottom/Zorko next week. But Oliver + Sidebottom + Zorko (next week) is possible.

Thanks
Hi SIL,
- Devon Robertson - while his BE is only 1, I think you've missed the boat with him, as most of us did. I'd pass.
- Hugh McLuggage - has been good the last 3 Rounds averaging 124, and he's still priced close to his opening price. Only in 2.2% of teams, though I can see a lot Neale holders going to one of McCluggage or Zorko this week. Not the worst POD you could take.
- Dayne Zorko - would appear to be potentially the biggest winner from Neale being out. Like McCl, I think he'll be a popular option this week.
- Marcus Bontempelli - Will give you 80's, but will give you 140's too. Bullies looked switched on, and I think Bont's a good option!
- Clayton Oliver - Doesn't miss games, and hasn't been under 109 in 4 and a bit seasons. SC Superstar!
- Steele Sidebottom - he hadn't missed as many games as I thought. Counting back from this season: 1, 8, 1, 0, 0, 2. It might be memory bias, but I think he's risky to miss games. You wouldn't even consider him as a Mid only of course. Better judges than me have him listed as a trade in target, and I guess the question becomes, if not him, then who???!!!bDamn the Fwds are tough this season!!!

My order is: Oliver, Bont, Zorko (because he's a Fwd and McCl isn't), McCl, Sidey, Robertson.
Given your "Keep in mind" above, I'd go Oliver + Zorko.
Good luck!
 

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Hi Row,

Hope you've been well and are staying safe!

I have both Neale and Dunkley, so it seems like a double sideways is a given this week. In the interest of thinking outside the box, what factors would compel you to hold one injured premo on bench this week in favour of a rookie downgrade?
Hi Xabi,
I'm safe and well, and I hope you are too.
An excellent and detailed response for @wogitalia , thanks for the helping hand! (y)
 
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Hi SIL,
- Devon Robertson - while his BE is only 1, I think you've missed the boat with him, as most of us did. I'd pass.
- Hugh McLuggage - has been good the last 3 Rounds averaging 124, and he's still priced close to his opening price. Only in 2.2% of teams, though I can see a lot Neale holders going to one of McCluggage or Zorko this week. Not the worst POD you could take.
- Dayne Zorko - would appear to be potentially the biggest winner from Neale being out. Like McCl, I think he'll be a popular option this week.
- Marcus Bontempelli - Will give you 80's, but will give you 140's too. Bullies looked switched on, and I think Bont's a good option!
- Clayton Oliver - Doesn't miss games, and hasn't been under 109 in 4 and a bit seasons. SC Superstar!
- Steele Sidebottom - he hadn't missed as many games as I thought. Counting back from this season: 1, 8, 1, 0, 0, 2. It might be memory bias, but I think he's risky to miss games. You wouldn't even consider him as a Mid only of course. Better judges than me have him listed as a trade in target, and I guess the question becomes, if not him, then who???!!!bDamn the Fwds are tough this season!!!

My order is: Oliver, Bont, Zorko (because he's a Fwd and McCl isn't), McCl, Sidey, Robertson.
Given your "Keep in mind" above, I'd go Oliver + Zorko.
Good luck!
Hey Row
Lets say you don't have Ziebell, would you go Zorko over him still? I'm one of those that didn't believe in JZ, now I am losing league games by small margins against teams that have him. Would you still get JZ even though you're almost paying $300k more than others have? I feel like i'm chasing points, but it's his role that makes me think he will finish being a top 4 forward and a must have. B/E of 2 so its now or never with him. Would love to see your thoughts on JZ.
 

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Hey Row
Lets say you don't have Ziebell, would you go Zorko over him still? I'm one of those that didn't believe in JZ, now I am losing league games by small margins against teams that have him. Would you still get JZ even though you're almost paying $300k more than others have? I feel like i'm chasing points, but it's his role that makes me think he will finish being a top 4 forward and a must have. B/E of 2 so its now or never with him. Would love to see your thoughts on JZ.
Hey Qb,
first let me say, what you are paying compared to what others paid 7 weeks ago is largely irrelevent. One way to look at it is, the game resets everyweek, and you have to ask yourself, what is the best option from here, until the end of the season? What has transpired in the previous weeks can help inform your decision, but it still be what is best from here looking forward.
I think there is no one answer fits all Coaches on this question, and really depends on your seasons' goals and how you are travelling towards them.
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If your season goal is a high ranking finish, and you are travelling well, you probably need to close the negative POD that JZ represents. You don't want to give those behind you an obvious option to help get past you.
If your season goal is a high ranking finish, and you are behind where you need to be, then you have to make the really tough decision of close the current negative POD, or ride out the POD and go to Zorko, and hope that JZ stops producing at his current level.
If you are playing for League glory, it comes down to how you are travelling within your main League. If you are placed ok, ride him out, as apart from this week and next, when he price rises to just below $600k, I would expect his price to start coming down again. That means if you didn't take him at this fork in the road, you can probably get him at just above this price in 4 or 5 weeks anyway. If you are not placed ok, you probably can't wait those 4 or 5 weeks, and risk killing your season. You pretty much need to commit now, if your season is danger of slipping away, and if that's the case, I'd err on taking him. Why?
Historically, JZ has had 2 x 95 seasons and 1 x 90 season across 12 seasons of SC, so I can understand your hesitation in jumping aboard the JZ wagon at this late stage. It comes down to "Is this sustainable?". My answer is yes. The new rules, the new role, all add up to JZ could potentially pump out a career spiking 20/110 season. It's not that the player has changed, but that his circumstances have changed.
So far this season, with the new role and new rules he is averaging 24.8 Kicks and 5.2 H'balls. In his 3 best SC seasons of 2013, 2016 and 2019 he averaged: 14.4 K + 6.7 H, 15.3 K + 7.1 H and 12.8 K + 7.6 H. You can really see where the change in score is coming from, and given his role, I can't see him going backwards too much, and a 20/110 season is well and truly on the cards.

As a slight counter argument, in case the argument for trading him in is too strong, he is currently 6/127.3. If he ends up 20/110, then he goes 14/102.6 from here, which PIT60's to 97.3. Now, would you buy a 97.3 Forward for $540k? It's probably close to $50k too much for the points returned. The biggest problem is, no one has any idea who the best 2 or 3 Forwards will end up being this season, as injury keeps crossing them off. We usually are worrying about who might be 6th, 7th or 8th best! Not this season though.

tl:dr
I'd get JZ while you can, unless your season goal is a high ranking, and you are happy with how you are travelling.
 
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Hey Qb,
first let me say, what you are paying compared to what others paid 7 weeks ago is largely irrelevent. One way to look at it is, the game resets everyweek, and you have to ask yourself, what is the best option from here, until the end of the season? What has transpired in the previous weeks can help inform your decision, but it still be what is best from here looking forward.
I think there is no one answer fits all Coaches on this question, and really depends on your seasons' goals and how you are travelling towards them.
eg.
If your season goal is a high ranking finish, and you are travelling well, you probably need to close the negative POD that JZ represents. You don't want to give those behind you an obvious option to help get past you.
If your season goal is a high ranking finish, and you are behind where you need to be, then you have to make the really tough decision of close the current negative POD, or ride out the POD and go to Zorko, and hope that JZ stops producing at his current level.
If you are playing for League glory, it comes down to how you are travelling within your main League. If you are placed ok, ride him out, as apart from this week and next, when he price rises to just below $600k, I would expect his price to start coming down again. That means if you didn't take him at this fork in the road, you can probably get him at just above this price in 4 or 5 weeks anyway. If you are not placed ok, you probably can't wait those 4 or 5 weeks, and risk killing your season. You pretty much need to commit now, if your season is danger of slipping away, and if that's the case, I'd err on taking him. Why?
Historically, JZ has had 2 x 95 seasons and 1 x 90 season across 12 seasons of SC, so I can understand your hesitation in jumping aboard the JZ wagon at this late stage. It comes down to "Is this sustainable?". My answer is yes. The new rules, the new role, all add up to JZ could potentially pump out a career spiking 20/110 season. It's not that the player has changed, but that his circumstances have changed.
So far this season, with the new role and new rules he is averaging 24.8 Kicks and 5.2 H'balls. In his 3 best SC seasons of 2013, 2016 and 2019 he averaged: 14.4 K + 6.7 H, 15.3 K + 7.1 H and 12.8 K + 7.6 H. You can really see where the change in score is coming from, and given his role, I can't see him going backwards too much, and a 20/110 season is well and truly on the cards.

As a slight counter argument, in case the argument for trading him in is too strong, he is currently 6/127.3. If he ends up 20/110, then he goes 14/102.6 from here, which PIT60's to 97.3. Now, would you buy a 97.3 Forward for $540k? It's probably close to $50k too much for the points returned. The biggest problem is, no one has any idea who the best 2 or 3 Forwards will end up being this season, as injury keeps crossing them off. We usually are worrying about who might be 6th, 7th or 8th best! Not this season though.

tl:dr
I'd get JZ while you can, unless your season goal is a high ranking, and you are happy with how you are travelling.
Rowsus

I really appreciate your opinion on this one, I am in this position;

"If you are not placed ok, you probably can't wait those 4 or 5 weeks, and risk killing your season. You pretty much need to commit now, if your season is danger of slipping away, and if that's the case, I'd err on taking him. Why?"

This post is a reassuring and informative post for all the non owners that this guy is killing.

With his current role which is why I can't let it go, he could possible even go 20/115, will see plenty of it and he's hogging the kick ins which is helping his score as well.

Thanks once again, appreciate it :)
 
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Hey Qb,
first let me say, what you are paying compared to what others paid 7 weeks ago is largely irrelevent. One way to look at it is, the game resets everyweek, and you have to ask yourself, what is the best option from here, until the end of the season? What has transpired in the previous weeks can help inform your decision, but it still be what is best from here looking forward.
I think there is no one answer fits all Coaches on this question, and really depends on your seasons' goals and how you are travelling towards them.
eg.
If your season goal is a high ranking finish, and you are travelling well, you probably need to close the negative POD that JZ represents. You don't want to give those behind you an obvious option to help get past you.
If your season goal is a high ranking finish, and you are behind where you need to be, then you have to make the really tough decision of close the current negative POD, or ride out the POD and go to Zorko, and hope that JZ stops producing at his current level.
If you are playing for League glory, it comes down to how you are travelling within your main League. If you are placed ok, ride him out, as apart from this week and next, when he price rises to just below $600k, I would expect his price to start coming down again. That means if you didn't take him at this fork in the road, you can probably get him at just above this price in 4 or 5 weeks anyway. If you are not placed ok, you probably can't wait those 4 or 5 weeks, and risk killing your season. You pretty much need to commit now, if your season is danger of slipping away, and if that's the case, I'd err on taking him. Why?
Historically, JZ has had 2 x 95 seasons and 1 x 90 season across 12 seasons of SC, so I can understand your hesitation in jumping aboard the JZ wagon at this late stage. It comes down to "Is this sustainable?". My answer is yes. The new rules, the new role, all add up to JZ could potentially pump out a career spiking 20/110 season. It's not that the player has changed, but that his circumstances have changed.
So far this season, with the new role and new rules he is averaging 24.8 Kicks and 5.2 H'balls. In his 3 best SC seasons of 2013, 2016 and 2019 he averaged: 14.4 K + 6.7 H, 15.3 K + 7.1 H and 12.8 K + 7.6 H. You can really see where the change in score is coming from, and given his role, I can't see him going backwards too much, and a 20/110 season is well and truly on the cards.

As a slight counter argument, in case the argument for trading him in is too strong, he is currently 6/127.3. If he ends up 20/110, then he goes 14/102.6 from here, which PIT60's to 97.3. Now, would you buy a 97.3 Forward for $540k? It's probably close to $50k too much for the points returned. The biggest problem is, no one has any idea who the best 2 or 3 Forwards will end up being this season, as injury keeps crossing them off. We usually are worrying about who might be 6th, 7th or 8th best! Not this season though.

tl:dr
I'd get JZ while you can, unless your season goal is a high ranking, and you are happy with how you are travelling.
Great post as always!
I started with Ziebell but not with Impey.
Although not exactly a like-for-like situation, I applied the points you made in this post for one to bring in Impey to replace Dunkley this week. Essentially it came down to getting a potentially 90-95 average player for 433k in the forward line with a great role (so far). I made the trade earlier today. He was becoming too much of a negative POD for me and I lost two H2H matchups so far because of him.
 
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For me there are a few reasons and all of this is based on both Dunkley and Neale really needing to go, so not a long term hold consideration.

1. Strong loophole score - This one is obvious I think but if your rookie loophole options at their positions score great then you can hold them as the floating donut, especially if they're your only donut on the lines, basically if the rookie cover can remove the lost points then the sideways trade is not as valuable this week, although you'll still be likely benching another rookie so still value.

2. Strong rookie options - I think all of Macrae, Robertson, Farrar and Bosenvulagi have reasonable cases this week.

3. No obvious rookies next week - I don't think this one applies with Frederick and the two Pies boys certainly all chances, but if it does look likely then you'd know that next week would be a double upgrade type of week anyway and getting better rookies this week would have more value hopefully long term.

4. Rookie with a very unlikely/impossible BE - Again pretty obvious and I can't think of any that it applies to but basically if the rookie would lose significant cash you may as well make that downgrade this week and hold an asset that isn't changing, effectively those players are now cash in the bank and a donut until you activate the cash.

5. Premium target with massive BE - Same thing as above, grab the rookie this week, make some cash and get the premium cheaper next week.
Just wanted to revisit this and give out another shout out to @wogitalia. Really appreciate the effort you put into this community and I'm sure others do too!

Using that advice, I attacked the problem by:
1) settling on Bont and Walsh as two premium upgrades, if I decided to go for the two sideways trades. Unfortunately couldn't afford Macrae and wasn't prepared to play forward lotto.
2) Dunkley to Bont before Friday night's game
3) Decided to sacrifice the option of getting FMacrae and Farrar to get a look at Murphy (for a potential next week trade) and Berry (as an E loophole). This would then dictate whether my 2nd trade would be Neale > Walsh or Gulden > Robertson.
4) Following a respectable score from Murphy and an untakeable score from Berry, I locked in Neale > Walsh.

The structure to think through a tricky problem was great, but equally I'm thankful this week's trades should be easier 😂
 
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Hey Rows,

This is more of a general question. Apologies if you (or anyone else) has already answered this before.
Is there a general formula for working out what average a player is priced at during the season?
For example, Walsh is currently 606k and if one were to trade him in this round, what "average score" would he need to get from this point forward for the trade to be considered a success? I know this last part may come down to what one's expectations of certain players are.

Also if you had to pick one between Walsh & J.Kelly then who would you go for?
Walsh against the dominant Dogs midfield or Jelly with the uncertainty of his role due to Leon Cameron? A 100k difference in price too!

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Hey Rows,

This is more of a general question. Apologies if you (or anyone else) has already answered this before.
Is there a general formula for working out what average a player is priced at during the season?
For example, Walsh is currently 606k and if one were to trade him in this round, what "average score" would he need to get from this point forward for the trade to be considered a success? I know this last part may come down to what one's expectations of certain players are.

Also if you had to pick one between Walsh & J.Kelly then who would you go for?
Walsh against the dominant Dogs midfield or Jelly with the uncertainty of his role due to Leon Cameron? A 100k difference in price too!

Cheers
At the start of every year there is a 'magic number' that can be determined to work out the rough 'value' of each player based on their previously-attained averages and the collective monetary value of the players.
This year the MN is somewhere around 5375, meaning that Walsh at 606k would be roughly priced at 112-113.
I'm sure there's a more precise answer available, but hopefully that helps to some degree!
 
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At the start of every year there is a 'magic number' that can be determined to work out the rough 'value' of each player based on their previously-attained averages and the collective monetary value of the players.
This year the MN is somewhere around 5375, meaning that Walsh at 606k would be roughly priced at 112-113.
I'm sure there's a more precise answer available, but hopefully that helps to some degree!
It's why paying top dollar is so undesirable. Walsh scoring 120+ at 113 is still a solid pick but at 110 it's not great, especially if you can make a case you can get say Brayshaw at 97 who will also average 110.

The "complexity" is that the magic number adjusts slightly during the season, by my numbers it's roughly 5200 now, fwiw, which bumps the averages slightly on what you've worked out.
 
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hi Row, trust you're well.

i'm carrying Lukosius, who i got in round 3 on the back of two tonnes, but he's since underperformed.

i have 24 trades left, been relatively conservative as i'm banking some trades for cash leagues. However with trade to May available for $35k changeover this week, i'm thinking of trading Lukosius to May, and a midfielder to Frederick via DPP.

i see nothing wrong with this move as Lukosius isn't passing the eye test, or playing/scoring well. i don't really have other problems to fix despite being 12000th!

any issue with this trade?
cheers, DS.
edit - do I go to someone else over May? With the above trades I have $325k leftover.
 
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Hey Rows,

This is more of a general question. Apologies if you (or anyone else) has already answered this before.
Is there a general formula for working out what average a player is priced at during the season?
For example, Walsh is currently 606k and if one were to trade him in this round, what "average score" would he need to get from this point forward for the trade to be considered a success? I know this last part may come down to what one's expectations of certain players are.

Also if you had to pick one between Walsh & J.Kelly then who would you go for?
Walsh against the dominant Dogs midfield or Jelly with the uncertainty of his role due to Leon Cameron? A 100k difference in price too!

Cheers
Hey Rumb.
sorry for the late and short reply. I'm having a really busy week.
As @MC's Mix and @wogitalia have suggested, the priced to score (PTS) is a function of the MN. I have the MN a little bit lower than wogitalia's number, but not a lot. I haven't recalculated this week, so he may be right.
When considering if it is a successful pick or not, it becomes a bit relative to other players results. Trade Walsh in, in a normal year, and you want 112+ at his price. BUT, if he scored at 108 from here, and that made him a top 4 Mid from this point of the season, until the end, you'd still consider it a good result.
Even with the $100k difference, I'd take Walsh over Jelly. Jelly's uncertainty in role, and injury history, gives Walsh a solid edge, imo.
Good luck.

Thanks @MC's Mix and @wogitalia for the helping hand! (y)
 

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hi Row, trust you're well.

i'm carrying Lukosius, who i got in round 3 on the back of two tonnes, but he's since underperformed.

i have 24 trades left, been relatively conservative as i'm banking some trades for cash leagues. However with trade to May available for $35k changeover this week, i'm thinking of trading Lukosius to May, and a midfielder to Frederick via DPP.

i see nothing wrong with this move as Lukosius isn't passing the eye test, or playing/scoring well. i don't really have other problems to fix despite being 12000th!

any issue with this trade?
cheers, DS.
edit - do I go to someone else over May? With the above trades I have $325k leftover.
Hi d1ck,
I'm well, and hope you are too. I'm a bit rushed for time, sorry.
Currently you have: Ridley, Doc, Short, Luko, Butts, Highmore, Kosi, Fyfe.
I'd be a bit concerned about no cover, but I guess a DPP trade of Frederick helps with that.
Given your cash strength, I'd want to go with someone with more history than May. You might not get a full trades worth from that move, and I think a Stewart or lloyd might be better. Even risking on a Mills type might be better. I'm just worried that Luko to May will only end up being a 5 or 8 point upgrade, when there might be better alternatives to take. Especially as May misses an average of around 4 games per season!!!
Good luck, I hope you jump the right way!
 
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Hi d1ck,
I'm well, and hope you are too. I'm a bit rushed for time, sorry.
Currently you have: Ridley, Doc, Short, Luko, Butts, Highmore, Kosi, Fyfe.
I'd be a bit concerned about no cover, but I guess a DPP trade of Frederick helps with that.
Given your cash strength, I'd want to go with someone with more history than May. You might not get a full trades worth from that move, and I think a Stewart or lloyd might be better. Even risking on a Mills type might be better. I'm just worried that Luko to May will only end up being a 5 or 8 point upgrade, when there might be better alternatives to take. Especially as May misses an average of around 4 games per season!!!
Good luck, I hope you jump the right way!
Thanks Row, great point on the Luko to May trade potentially not worth it. Might change my tact and keep Luko in as he has a good bye, upgrade him as a luxury post byes if he doesn't improve. Will get Fred in, and look to strengthen my mids, potentially Guthrie if i can afford him. Geez i wish we had teams so i could finish things off......oh well shouldn't be long now!
Cheers mate, glad your Dees are doing well!
 
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Hey Rowsus
First post on this thread dont quite know the rules on questions, if mines too complicated for an answer, its ok i understand where you'd be coming from
Anyway...

REALLY struggling to find good upgrades this week or coming weeks..

Option 1: Final Defense upgrade
Bowes v Weitering v Docherty v Lloyd
-- Rookie=Dawkins ---
Option 2: Midfield Upgrade
Sloane v Mitchell v Ellis
---- Rookie=Poulter/ Sweet ----
Option 3: Forward Line upgrade
Impey v Marshell(rd 14 bye) v Hall v Sidebottom (inconsistent and old, but cheap)
---- Rookie= Dawkins ----

Really appreciate it and all your work.
 

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Hey Rowsus,

Any thoughts on Josh Kelly vs Tom Mitchell as the trade in option this week?
Hey SIL,
both have had their disappointing aspects this season, for different reasons.
You could really mount strong arguments for either, but seeing as Jelly hasn't had his annual 2 to 4 games off yet this season, I think I'll give the nod to Mitchell.
 

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Hey Rowsus
First post on this thread dont quite know the rules on questions, if mines too complicated for an answer, its ok i understand where you'd be coming from
Anyway...

REALLY struggling to find good upgrades this week or coming weeks..

Option 1: Final Defense upgrade
Bowes v Weitering v Docherty v Lloyd
-- Rookie=Dawkins ---
Option 2: Midfield Upgrade
Sloane v Mitchell v Ellis
---- Rookie=Poulter/ Sweet ----
Option 3: Forward Line upgrade
Impey v Marshell(rd 14 bye) v Hall v Sidebottom (inconsistent and old, but cheap)
---- Rookie= Dawkins ----

Really appreciate it and all your work.
Hey BH,
the only rule is, that I don't do rate my team type questions.
It's a tricky question, and not because of the number of options you present, but more because, the answer really depends on where you stand now, and where you want to go from here.
Are you League oriented, and have a tough need to win match this week?
Do you feel there will be a shortage of Rookies to come, making downgrades hard to achieve in the following weeks?
Are you sitting on a pile of cash?
Do you think we are looking at a season where compromises will need to be made, and risks taken?
The answer to these questions, and maybe a few more, could potentially change which option you take this week!
For a start, we have 3 or 4 pretty strong looking bubble boys this week. In your scenarios above, you only take one of them. Maybe like some, you went early on Poulter last week, but even if you did, there's a pretty good push, that you should go double downgrade this week, and grab two of the others. It would seem unlikely, that we will have downgrade options as strong as these guys, in the next few Rounds!
If that doesn't fit your agenda, and you are locked into one of the options above, then ....

Option 1
Bowes
$484,300 BE 85 Ave 103.8 - having somewhat of a breakout season, and his price has dropped back to only $33k above where it started. The worrying thing is, his 2 best scores were Rounds 1 and 2, and he has only averaged 95 since then, which is about what he is priced to score.
Weitering $498,000 BE 41 Ave 97.8 - would even be here, if he hadn't scored 156 last week? Probably not. He's never gone over 75 in a season, and is now priced close to 100. I'm not sure he fits any job description you are looking for, other than a Hail Mary POD maybe.
Docherty $534,000 BE 98 Ave 104.4 - looked better 2 of the last 3 weeks. I think he faced a really big hurdle this season, and still potentially does. The combination of multiple knees and testicular cancer has to have some affect on his ability to see out a strong season. Can he go 105+ from here, all the way to the end? It's possible, but I have my doubts.
Lloyd $558,800 BE 112 Ave 107.4 - SC Royalty the past 3 seasons, and probably the safest of these 4 options. The question is, if you think we might be struggling to fund a full team this season, then $560k is a big chunk of change!!!

Bowes the value pick Lloyd the safe pick, if you think you can fully fund your team from here.

Option 2
Sloane
$523,500 BE 70 Ave 114.3 - known to miss multiple games in a season. Averaged 88, 103, 97 the past 3 seasons, and his good scores this season were when Adelaide fired at home early on. I think he\s 103 player with the risk of missed games. Not for me.
Mitchell $525,800 BE 60 Ave 107.3 - finally got a decent DT to SC ratio last week. Apart from 2019's broken leg, he hasn't missed a game since 2015. Averages over the past 3 seasons 114, 129, 119. Not sure I would consider Sloane over him, unless you were desperate for POD's.
Ellis $522,500 BE Ave 99.9 - Averaging 100, and his history says he's a 100 player. No interest when he's the same price as Mitchell.

Mitchell easy, and every time!

Option 3
Impey
$451,100 BE 78 Ave 98.2 - surprisingly still only in 33% of teams, I thought he'd be close to 50% by now. Priced below his average, but his scoring can be up and down. 64, 74, 84 mixed in with 5 x 100+ scores. Averaging 113 in those 100+ games. If he can continue in the mid to high 90's he still represents value.
Marshall $533,700 BE 124 Ave 93.8 - I think he could prove to be a pretty useful player in the run home, but I'm also convinced we'll get him cheaper. Shares a bye with Gawndy, which is problematic. Yes plan to get him, but not yet.
Hall $419,500 BE 30 Ave 79.3 - seems to be a bit of the flavour of the month. Has averaged 117 in his past 3 non-injury affected games. Hasn't averaged over 79 in the past 3 seasons. Has 2 injury affected games, and a missed game already this season. He's a very high risk selection, but given injuries to Anderson, Stephenson and to a lesser extent, McDonald and Tyson, Hall really has a chance to shine for the next few weeks. I'm not sure he's a long term prospect, and in aseason where we are all burning trades, that's a worry, but he has the potential to give you a quick point boost, and possibly a $100-$150k along the way.
Sidebottom $495,500 BE 117 Ave 86.6 - Usually averages around or just over 100, and that's usually on the back of a couple of monster scores. Outside of those couple of games, he averages around 90, like he is now. Does he still the monsters in him? Can he stay on the park? Both those things make him a risk in my eyes.

Plan to get Marshall, but not yet. Grab Hall if you haven't smashed through your trades, as he'll probably need to be traded out again, otherwise get Impey.

Decision.
Not sure I like finishing your Def line yet. If you do need to make some compromises, D6 is a good place to start! This might not matter, if you are holding Highmore and another deadwood Rookie, and you are worried about coverage. If you are happy with your trade count situation, take a punt on Hall, but I reckon he's 4 to 6 weeks at most, then he could become a liability again. Otherwise, choose between Mitchell and Impey. It might come down to what your coverage and depth is like, and where you are leaking the most points. Gun to head, without knowing anything more than I do, go Impey, as it leaves you some cash for next week!
 
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