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Here's a new structure i've been playing around with. Blue box = locked.
I have backflipped just a touch on going super safe and have thrown in a couple of value picks with decent upside.
I think it's wildly optimistic to think that we'll get that many basement priced rookies in round 1 but have a few cash generating downgrades in mind if required.
Maynard is my FD and Witts will stay if named rd 1.
I have backflipped just a touch on going super safe and have thrown in a couple of value picks with decent upside.
I think it's wildly optimistic to think that we'll get that many basement priced rookies in round 1 but have a few cash generating downgrades in mind if required.
Maynard is my FD and Witts will stay if named rd 1.
Good structure but I think it's potentially a bit R13 heavy. All your starting backs and 4 starting mids have the R13 bye. Although, I like the Heppell pick! I remember you did great with starting Zerrett from the get go last season (Y).
I personally doubt you'll be able to get away with two basement rookies in the forward line. I think you need at least one of the $200k guys at F5 for the time being, so this premium structure probably won't work. You might need to get a Roughy/Bennell/Heeney type at F4 and bring F5 up to Knight.
I personally doubt you'll be able to get away with two basement rookies in the forward line. I think you need at least one of the $200k guys at F5 for the time being, so this premium structure probably won't work. You might need to get a Roughy/Bennell/Heeney type at F4 and bring F5 up to Knight.
Cheers mate, great pick up. I didn't put too much thought into the byes (obviously 
) but would have been something i would have addressed at some stage.
Heppell's probably a 50/50 at best and if Titch does stay, Hep's probably the one that will get the chop. My cash generating downgrades will either be Gawn to Goldy, Witts down or one of my fwds down to Ryder.
) but would have been something i would have addressed at some stage.Heppell's probably a 50/50 at best and if Titch does stay, Hep's probably the one that will get the chop. My cash generating downgrades will either be Gawn to Goldy, Witts down or one of my fwds down to Ryder.
I think I was one of the earliest if not the earliest people to suggest Witts at R3 on this forum. The more I think about it in hindsight the most I dislike the choice.
Cash generation wise, Witts just doesn't stack up against other basement priced rookies even though I rate Witts higher than most.
I see Witts averaging 72-78 @ 217k. A normal rookie probably will average 65-75 @ 123k. So what could you argue to justify the additional 100k? Job security? Lol in this case one of the better rookies probably have the upper hand since Gold Coast only plays 1 primary ruck so 1 bad game could mean Nichols in for Witts.
Security for the Sandilands selection? Instead of having a 217k rookie sitting on the bench, why not just use him as insurance for when Sandilands gets injured? The usual argument against these midpriced 300k ish ruckman gets injured there are no suitable substitutes, but this year we have Witts, so use him wisely.
There're many picks I disagree with (Hodge, Franklin) and a few that I think are relatively undesirable (Shaw, Heppell, Deledio), but obviously I've been proving wrong many times in recent years mainly due to my natural dislike for some players.
Otherwise, Im liking your structure, especially your decision to go for 4 proven premiums up forward. There might be alot of viable high end rookies price wise, but cash generation is still likely to come from the defence and the midfield.
Also I think the F/D should lie where the line is most vulnerable to crappy rookie scores, and my perspective that's defence with a 3-0-5 structure.
Cash generation wise, Witts just doesn't stack up against other basement priced rookies even though I rate Witts higher than most.
I see Witts averaging 72-78 @ 217k. A normal rookie probably will average 65-75 @ 123k. So what could you argue to justify the additional 100k? Job security? Lol in this case one of the better rookies probably have the upper hand since Gold Coast only plays 1 primary ruck so 1 bad game could mean Nichols in for Witts.
Security for the Sandilands selection? Instead of having a 217k rookie sitting on the bench, why not just use him as insurance for when Sandilands gets injured? The usual argument against these midpriced 300k ish ruckman gets injured there are no suitable substitutes, but this year we have Witts, so use him wisely.
There're many picks I disagree with (Hodge, Franklin) and a few that I think are relatively undesirable (Shaw, Heppell, Deledio), but obviously I've been proving wrong many times in recent years mainly due to my natural dislike for some players.
Otherwise, Im liking your structure, especially your decision to go for 4 proven premiums up forward. There might be alot of viable high end rookies price wise, but cash generation is still likely to come from the defence and the midfield.
Also I think the F/D should lie where the line is most vulnerable to crappy rookie scores, and my perspective that's defence with a 3-0-5 structure.
As good a pre season side as any mate, the cheaper M4/5 to allow a premium F4 is something I've also toyed with, definitely the way to go if the rookies don't come up.
I'm warming to the Hodge pick myself, had 9 scores over 115 (6 over 130) in 2014 when he was fit and firing, pretty hard to ignore priced at 460k when high scoring defenders look so
overpriced in comparison this season.
In regards to Witts, if the 3rd man up rules benefit a certain type of ruck, he's the type to get the boost I think, 209cm and 112kg puts him both 1cm/1Kg up on Gawn for reference. Only Sandi taller & heavier off the top of my head. Think it's good to keep him in the side as bonus cash as its a problem that's so easy to fix if he doesn't look like getting that #1 spot.
I'm warming to the Hodge pick myself, had 9 scores over 115 (6 over 130) in 2014 when he was fit and firing, pretty hard to ignore priced at 460k when high scoring defenders look so
overpriced in comparison this season.
In regards to Witts, if the 3rd man up rules benefit a certain type of ruck, he's the type to get the boost I think, 209cm and 112kg puts him both 1cm/1Kg up on Gawn for reference. Only Sandi taller & heavier off the top of my head. Think it's good to keep him in the side as bonus cash as its a problem that's so easy to fix if he doesn't look like getting that #1 spot.
Yeah, na.
I agree, but it depends on which rookies play. You wouldn't want a flonut at D8 without any links. You would only have 1 rookie at D7 to cover maybe 2 rookies on the ground who might lose their job. There could be some links with Mitch Hibberd, Jarrod Berry and Ben Long all being talked up. You'd be disappointed if McGrath ended up on your bench. There are very few cheap dual position defenders this year and a truckload of forwards. So without the link I would prefer my flonut to sit at M11 where you still have 2 other rookies for cover.
Long term I would prefer to have a M/D flonut rather than a M/F because I plan on covering my rucks with an R/F. So I wouldn't want my forward line trying to cover 2 lines.
Rookies are mostly placeholders at the moment but given the team IDIG has selected I think Maynard at M11 is a reasonable choice with Bolton in the forward line.
I agree, but it depends on which rookies play. You wouldn't want a flonut at D8 without any links. You would only have 1 rookie at D7 to cover maybe 2 rookies on the ground who might lose their job. There could be some links with Mitch Hibberd, Jarrod Berry and Ben Long all being talked up. You'd be disappointed if McGrath ended up on your bench. There are very few cheap dual position defenders this year and a truckload of forwards. So without the link I would prefer my flonut to sit at M11 where you still have 2 other rookies for cover.
Long term I would prefer to have a M/D flonut rather than a M/F because I plan on covering my rucks with an R/F. So I wouldn't want my forward line trying to cover 2 lines.
Rookies are mostly placeholders at the moment but given the team IDIG has selected I think Maynard at M11 is a reasonable choice with Bolton in the forward line.
Cheers Pro. I'll be honest, it's only a recent structural change i've made and not one i'd usually run with but i think it has its merits.
Like every other mug this preseason, he's training the house down while Nichols has apparently shown up in terrible condition. Not to say that Witts will all of the sudden overtake Nichols but i think there's a chance....hence the 'if Witts plays round 1 he stays' comment in my original post. If not named, he probably becomes Stradica and i'll use the 100k elsewhere.
When it comes to rookies, I try not to think about averages as much and prefer to think about their ceilings. Witts, for me has the potential to hit the ton and make cash quickly, especially if he rucks on his own so i think there's potentially 150k to be made quite comfortably with the added bonus that he acts as cover for Sandi and Gawn, who as we all know has not been Mr Durable over the years either. He also adds an extra scorer during the bye rounds (or removes a bad score) which is not a luxury i've had in the past.
I don't mind the Sandi to Witts option but i think in that scenario i'd just go straight up to a premo and cut my losses. Using a trade to bring in Witts at R2 is just asking for trouble imo, especially as you'll need to depend on his scoring for however long and eventually trade him out as well.
In the end, if Witts does not play round 1 it's a bit of a moot point anyway as he won't be in my team
Regarding the FD, i like mine at M11 floating forward, as i'll have a lot more M/F's than I will M/D's so like the added flexibility. If i was to sit my FD at D8, i'd be concerned that i'd be leaving myself a touch vulnerable should one of the rookies and/or the Hodge/Adams/JJ/Laird's of the world get dropped/injured/suspended. If i had McGrath/Berry down back, i'd probably consider a D/M at M11 but not when none of my defenders are DPP.
EDIT: re FD, what freowho said!
Like every other mug this preseason, he's training the house down while Nichols has apparently shown up in terrible condition. Not to say that Witts will all of the sudden overtake Nichols but i think there's a chance....hence the 'if Witts plays round 1 he stays' comment in my original post. If not named, he probably becomes Stradica and i'll use the 100k elsewhere.
When it comes to rookies, I try not to think about averages as much and prefer to think about their ceilings. Witts, for me has the potential to hit the ton and make cash quickly, especially if he rucks on his own so i think there's potentially 150k to be made quite comfortably with the added bonus that he acts as cover for Sandi and Gawn, who as we all know has not been Mr Durable over the years either. He also adds an extra scorer during the bye rounds (or removes a bad score) which is not a luxury i've had in the past.
I don't mind the Sandi to Witts option but i think in that scenario i'd just go straight up to a premo and cut my losses. Using a trade to bring in Witts at R2 is just asking for trouble imo, especially as you'll need to depend on his scoring for however long and eventually trade him out as well.
In the end, if Witts does not play round 1 it's a bit of a moot point anyway as he won't be in my team
Regarding the FD, i like mine at M11 floating forward, as i'll have a lot more M/F's than I will M/D's so like the added flexibility. If i was to sit my FD at D8, i'd be concerned that i'd be leaving myself a touch vulnerable should one of the rookies and/or the Hodge/Adams/JJ/Laird's of the world get dropped/injured/suspended. If i had McGrath/Berry down back, i'd probably consider a D/M at M11 but not when none of my defenders are DPP.
EDIT: re FD, what freowho said!
Cheers Pro. I'll be honest, it's only a recent structural change i've made and not one i'd usually run with but i think it has its merits.
Like every other mug this preseason, he's training the house down while Nichols has apparently shown up in terrible condition. Not to say that Witts will all of the sudden overtake Nichols but i think there's a chance....hence the 'if Witts plays round 1 he stays' comment in my original post. If not named, he probably becomes Stradica and i'll use the 100k elsewhere.
When it comes to rookies, I try not to think about averages as much and prefer to think about their ceilings. Witts, for me has the potential to hit the ton and make cash quickly, especially if he rucks on his own so i think there's potentially 150k to be made quite comfortably with the added bonus that he acts as cover for Sandi and Gawn, who as we all know has not been Mr Durable over the years either. He also adds an extra scorer during the bye rounds (or removes a bad score) which is not a luxury i've had in the past.
I don't mind the Sandi to Witts option but i think in that scenario i'd just go straight up to a premo and cut my losses. Using a trade to bring in Witts at R2 is just asking for trouble imo, especially as you'll need to depend on his scoring for however long and eventually trade him out as well.
In the end, if Witts does not play round 1 it's a bit of a moot point anyway as he won't be in my team
Regarding the FD, i like mine at M11 floating forward, as i'll have a lot more M/F's than I will M/D's so like the added flexibility. If i was to sit my FD at D8, i'd be concerned that i'd be leaving myself a touch vulnerable should one of the rookies and/or the Hodge/Adams/JJ/Laird's of the world get dropped/injured/suspended. If i had McGrath/Berry down back, i'd probably consider a D/M at M11 but not when none of my defenders are DPP.
EDIT: re FD, what freowho said!
Like every other mug this preseason, he's training the house down while Nichols has apparently shown up in terrible condition. Not to say that Witts will all of the sudden overtake Nichols but i think there's a chance....hence the 'if Witts plays round 1 he stays' comment in my original post. If not named, he probably becomes Stradica and i'll use the 100k elsewhere.
When it comes to rookies, I try not to think about averages as much and prefer to think about their ceilings. Witts, for me has the potential to hit the ton and make cash quickly, especially if he rucks on his own so i think there's potentially 150k to be made quite comfortably with the added bonus that he acts as cover for Sandi and Gawn, who as we all know has not been Mr Durable over the years either. He also adds an extra scorer during the bye rounds (or removes a bad score) which is not a luxury i've had in the past.
I don't mind the Sandi to Witts option but i think in that scenario i'd just go straight up to a premo and cut my losses. Using a trade to bring in Witts at R2 is just asking for trouble imo, especially as you'll need to depend on his scoring for however long and eventually trade him out as well.
In the end, if Witts does not play round 1 it's a bit of a moot point anyway as he won't be in my team
Regarding the FD, i like mine at M11 floating forward, as i'll have a lot more M/F's than I will M/D's so like the added flexibility. If i was to sit my FD at D8, i'd be concerned that i'd be leaving myself a touch vulnerable should one of the rookies and/or the Hodge/Adams/JJ/Laird's of the world get dropped/injured/suspended. If i had McGrath/Berry down back, i'd probably consider a D/M at M11 but not when none of my defenders are DPP.
EDIT: re FD, what freowho said!
Yeah Titch/Heppell over my original JPK/Rock does allow for a great deal of options. I had another low 500k sneaky POD but he shares a rd13 bye as well so i can forget about him. Heppell i had thoughts of moving on after his bye (probably to Selwood) if he was struggling but their respective draws don't really align. I'll need to revisit though as B18 pointed out.
Hodge is a funny one. I have no expectations that he will be there for the whole year, in fact i'd be happy if he made it to his byes lol but i think he has the potential to average over 100 comfortably while he's playing so i'm effectively starting the year with one less trade for hopefully a good start at D3.
Similar to my post above, I reckon Witts has the potential to ton up which for cash generation is key early. Has shown up in ripping nick i've read and sounds like he really wants the number 1 ruck position.
Hodge is a funny one. I have no expectations that he will be there for the whole year, in fact i'd be happy if he made it to his byes lol but i think he has the potential to average over 100 comfortably while he's playing so i'm effectively starting the year with one less trade for hopefully a good start at D3.
Similar to my post above, I reckon Witts has the potential to ton up which for cash generation is key early. Has shown up in ripping nick i've read and sounds like he really wants the number 1 ruck position.
hey guys would love some feedback
Docherty Shaw Adams Murphy Scharenberg Berry (Ryan, Long)
Danger, Pendles, JPK, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Bowes, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, Balic, Graham)
Gawn, Sandi (Strnadica)
Dahl, Heeney, Ryder, McCarthy, Black, Lebois (Smith, Eddy)
Obviously rookies change and shift as we get closer to round one.
Docherty Shaw Adams Murphy Scharenberg Berry (Ryan, Long)
Danger, Pendles, JPK, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Bowes, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, Balic, Graham)
Gawn, Sandi (Strnadica)
Dahl, Heeney, Ryder, McCarthy, Black, Lebois (Smith, Eddy)
Obviously rookies change and shift as we get closer to round one.
It's a good team, however, don't like the pick of Bob Murphy. Age + uncertain role + injury risk - not for me.
A massive fan of the midfield, as it's basically my midfield!
Forward line is where you're weakest. I'd like to see Murphy downgraded and Ryder upgraded to a solid premo eg Macrae, as Heeney, Murphy and Ryder could see you with 3 dodgy midpricers. Would like to see one of them a solid, honest premo. Ruck line good, and obviously rookies shift around. Very decent draft!
A massive fan of the midfield, as it's basically my midfield!
Forward line is where you're weakest. I'd like to see Murphy downgraded and Ryder upgraded to a solid premo eg Macrae, as Heeney, Murphy and Ryder could see you with 3 dodgy midpricers. Would like to see one of them a solid, honest premo. Ruck line good, and obviously rookies shift around. Very decent draft!
Here's my latest draft guys. Rip in.
Shaw, Rance, Laird, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman (Vicker-Willis, Hibberd)
Danger, JPK, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Swallow, Myers (Fordham, Freeman, Pickett)
Goldy, Sandi (Strnadica)
Dahl, Macrae, Gunston, McCarthy, Knight, Venables (Eddy, Polson)
33k left. Bye structure: 2/9/7/12
15/3/12, so potentially 15 keepers! Like my rookie picks, McCarthy, Knight, Scharenberg, Myers and Hampton aren't first year players, so should be more up to the rigours of AFL. Think the trend this year will be to pick as many mature agers as possible.
Thoughts?
Shaw, Rance, Laird, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman (Vicker-Willis, Hibberd)
Danger, JPK, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Swallow, Myers (Fordham, Freeman, Pickett)
Goldy, Sandi (Strnadica)
Dahl, Macrae, Gunston, McCarthy, Knight, Venables (Eddy, Polson)
33k left. Bye structure: 2/9/7/12
15/3/12, so potentially 15 keepers! Like my rookie picks, McCarthy, Knight, Scharenberg, Myers and Hampton aren't first year players, so should be more up to the rigours of AFL. Think the trend this year will be to pick as many mature agers as possible.
Thoughts?
If this was the case then my round 1 team would like something like this.
Montagna, Laird, Hibberd (Melb), Keefe, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman, Vickers-Willis.
Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Mitchell T, McCluggage, Foote, Myers, Powell-Pepper, Mutch (donut).
Goldstein, Sandilands, Witts.
Dahlhaus, Macrae, Ryder, McCarthy, Pickett, McKay, Rioli, Eddy.
$96k left. Putting it all on the purple 7 for the brownlow.
The lack of midfield rookies and the presence of Witts encourages me to stick a donut in the mids and Essendon are the best loophole team before the byes by some way.
I think Essendon's 2015 disintegrated along with Hibberd's average that year and I see him as a returner. I'll be happy with 90. Watching Laird play reminds me a lot of Hibberd.
Ryder, Heeney or Caddy? I haven't seen a Port supporter put Lobbe in a best 22 yet so Ryder looks like good value at $418k. A lot of talk about Caddy being pushed out by Danger but he had the chance to be next to Joel Selwood in 2015 and averaged 94. People loving Heeney's finals run must be blind to the 55 he had in the first final. I think Hawthorn's glory days are gone and Gunston and Roughy were beneficiaries. They might just fall a bit short this year. I've predicted big price drops for Buddy, JJK and Lynch so they are trade in targets.
Can't beleive I have to start with so many premo mids! What a shame! NOT. Toss up between Foote, McGrath and White at M8. Would prefer a cheaper option.
Montagna, Laird, Hibberd (Melb), Keefe, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman, Vickers-Willis.
Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Mitchell T, McCluggage, Foote, Myers, Powell-Pepper, Mutch (donut).
Goldstein, Sandilands, Witts.
Dahlhaus, Macrae, Ryder, McCarthy, Pickett, McKay, Rioli, Eddy.
$96k left. Putting it all on the purple 7 for the brownlow.
The lack of midfield rookies and the presence of Witts encourages me to stick a donut in the mids and Essendon are the best loophole team before the byes by some way.
I think Essendon's 2015 disintegrated along with Hibberd's average that year and I see him as a returner. I'll be happy with 90. Watching Laird play reminds me a lot of Hibberd.
Ryder, Heeney or Caddy? I haven't seen a Port supporter put Lobbe in a best 22 yet so Ryder looks like good value at $418k. A lot of talk about Caddy being pushed out by Danger but he had the chance to be next to Joel Selwood in 2015 and averaged 94. People loving Heeney's finals run must be blind to the 55 he had in the first final. I think Hawthorn's glory days are gone and Gunston and Roughy were beneficiaries. They might just fall a bit short this year. I've predicted big price drops for Buddy, JJK and Lynch so they are trade in targets.
Can't beleive I have to start with so many premo mids! What a shame! NOT. Toss up between Foote, McGrath and White at M8. Would prefer a cheaper option.
If this was the case then my round 1 team would like something like this.
Montagna, Laird, Hibberd (Melb), Keefe, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman, Vickers-Willis.
Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Mitchell T, McCluggage, Foote, Myers, Powell-Pepper, Mutch (donut).
Goldstein, Sandilands, Witts.
Dahlhaus, Macrae, Ryder, McCarthy, Pickett, McKay, Rioli, Eddy.
$96k left. Putting it all on the purple 7 for the brownlow.
The lack of midfield rookies and the presence of Witts encourages me to stick a donut in the mids and Essendon are the best loophole team before the byes by some way.
I think Essendon's 2015 disintegrated along with Hibberd's average that year and I see him as a returner. I'll be happy with 90. Watching Laird play reminds me a lot of Hibberd.
Ryder, Heeney or Caddy? I haven't seen a Port supporter put Lobbe in a best 22 yet so Ryder looks like good value at $418k. A lot of talk about Caddy being pushed out by Danger but he had the chance to be next to Joel Selwood in 2015 and averaged 94. People loving Heeney's finals run must be blind to the 55 he had in the first final. I think Hawthorn's glory days are gone and Gunston and Roughy were beneficiaries. They might just fall a bit short this year. I've predicted big price drops for Buddy, JJK and Lynch so they are trade in targets.
Can't beleive I have to start with so many premo mids! What a shame! NOT. Toss up between Foote, McGrath and White at M8. Would prefer a cheaper option.
Montagna, Laird, Hibberd (Melb), Keefe, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman, Vickers-Willis.
Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Mitchell T, McCluggage, Foote, Myers, Powell-Pepper, Mutch (donut).
Goldstein, Sandilands, Witts.
Dahlhaus, Macrae, Ryder, McCarthy, Pickett, McKay, Rioli, Eddy.
$96k left. Putting it all on the purple 7 for the brownlow.
The lack of midfield rookies and the presence of Witts encourages me to stick a donut in the mids and Essendon are the best loophole team before the byes by some way.
I think Essendon's 2015 disintegrated along with Hibberd's average that year and I see him as a returner. I'll be happy with 90. Watching Laird play reminds me a lot of Hibberd.
Ryder, Heeney or Caddy? I haven't seen a Port supporter put Lobbe in a best 22 yet so Ryder looks like good value at $418k. A lot of talk about Caddy being pushed out by Danger but he had the chance to be next to Joel Selwood in 2015 and averaged 94. People loving Heeney's finals run must be blind to the 55 he had in the first final. I think Hawthorn's glory days are gone and Gunston and Roughy were beneficiaries. They might just fall a bit short this year. I've predicted big price drops for Buddy, JJK and Lynch so they are trade in targets.
Can't beleive I have to start with so many premo mids! What a shame! NOT. Toss up between Foote, McGrath and White at M8. Would prefer a cheaper option.
Your backline in general seems a bit weak. Montagna has a tendency to go missing, and I think he's a bit long in the tooth. Loving the midfield. Mitchell and Rockliff risky, but if they come off, Mitchell especially, you'll be flying.
Not a fan of Ryder personally but can see the upside. Overall, like the team.
Good structure here. The only comment I'd have is re the Swallow at M7 discussion. Depending on whether we have enough basement mid rookies, could be better off with having ie: SPP at M7 and using the loosechange to upgrade McCarthy to Roughy at F4. Swallow no chance at being a mid keeper but Roughy some chance of getting close to an F6.
Fwd prems are difficult but I'm not sure Gunston is the guy you'd want to start. No discount and he seems more like an F6-8 pick as I don't see much improvement in him. According to Rowsusismp), you generally don't want to start your F6 unless they have a discount. Arguably, Roughy could be as good a pick as Gunston. Bit risky for F3 though but food for thought. Could help u get Witts at R3
Fwd prems are difficult but I'm not sure Gunston is the guy you'd want to start. No discount and he seems more like an F6-8 pick as I don't see much improvement in him. According to Rowsusism
p), you generally don't want to start your F6 unless they have a discount. Arguably, Roughy could be as good a pick as Gunston. Bit risky for F3 though but food for thought. Could help u get Witts at R3- Status