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Which mid pricers/JLT bolters will you be starting?

  • Tuohy

    Votes: 11 11.7%
  • Mills

    Votes: 3 3.2%
  • Bob Murphy

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • Beams

    Votes: 80 85.1%
  • Marc Murphy

    Votes: 4 4.3%
  • Watson

    Votes: 6 6.4%
  • O'Meara

    Votes: 44 46.8%
  • Swallow

    Votes: 29 30.9%
  • Sandilands

    Votes: 80 85.1%
  • Witts

    Votes: 34 36.2%
  • Ryder

    Votes: 10 10.6%
  • Roughead

    Votes: 41 43.6%
  • Higgins

    Votes: 11 11.7%
  • Wingard

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • Billings

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nankervis

    Votes: 54 57.4%
  • Steele

    Votes: 28 29.8%
  • Petracca

    Votes: 2 2.1%

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If this was the case then my round 1 team would like something like this.

Montagna, Laird, Hibberd (Melb), Keefe, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman, Vickers-Willis.

Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Mitchell T, McCluggage, Foote, Myers, Powell-Pepper, Mutch (donut).

Goldstein, Sandilands, Witts.

Dahlhaus, Macrae, Ryder, McCarthy, Pickett, McKay, Rioli, Eddy.

$96k left. Putting it all on the purple 7 for the brownlow. :eek:

The lack of midfield rookies and the presence of Witts encourages me to stick a donut in the mids and Essendon are the best loophole team before the byes by some way.
I think Essendon's 2015 disintegrated along with Hibberd's average that year and I see him as a returner. I'll be happy with 90. Watching Laird play reminds me a lot of Hibberd.
Ryder, Heeney or Caddy? I haven't seen a Port supporter put Lobbe in a best 22 yet so Ryder looks like good value at $418k. A lot of talk about Caddy being pushed out by Danger but he had the chance to be next to Joel Selwood in 2015 and averaged 94. People loving Heeney's finals run must be blind to the 55 he had in the first final. I think Hawthorn's glory days are gone and Gunston and Roughy were beneficiaries. They might just fall a bit short this year. I've predicted big price drops for Buddy, JJK and Lynch so they are trade in targets.
Can't beleive I have to start with so many premo mids! What a shame! NOT. Toss up between Foote, McGrath and White at M8. Would prefer a cheaper option.
Like the structure but have a few small observations, more re strategy.

Like your thinking with Mutch but with an eye to the byes, is it worth going with him over Deluca M/F? Deluca lets you switch Macrae into the mids during that bye so you should have an extra player (as there are not many R13 bye fwds). So it's, 3 Fyfe VC loopholes vs $15k + extra R13 bye player + 2 Danger VC loopholes. Just something to consider!

I think two basement fwd rookies on field is very risky. The names there are all fringe players who are yet to debut. Might work if Eddy really cements his spot and becomes like Podsiadly a few years back. At this stage, I'd find a way to patch that up. Only way to do it is to get Beams or lose Witts (as he's a bit of a luxury).

Also have some sort of a plan for Ryder's R9 bye as Ryder and Eddy both out then and you'll be left with no bench cover if there's an unexpected out. Eddy could be traded out before then but as he is a KPF, chance he is a slow burner and hasn't matured. I'd prefer to have Heeney at F3 (which is no doubt obvious from my strong support for him in the Heeney thread). Your own call!
 
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Good structure here. The only comment I'd have is re the Swallow at M7 discussion. Depending on whether we have enough basement mid rookies, could be better off with having ie: SPP at M7 and using the loosechange to upgrade McCarthy to Roughy at F4. Swallow no chance at being a mid keeper but Roughy some chance of getting close to an F6.
Fwd prems are difficult but I'm not sure Gunston is the guy you'd want to start. No discount and he seems more like an F6-8 pick as I don't see much improvement in him. According to Rowsusism :)p), you generally don't want to start your F6 unless they have a discount. Arguably, Roughy could be as good a pick as Gunston. Bit risky for F3 though but food for thought. Could help u get Witts at R3
Agreed, Gunston is more of a placeholder. I wouldn't mind actually Gunston to Roughy, risky sure, but gives me more a look at who will be the standout forward premiums. I honestly have no idea about forward premiums atm, they're driving me crazy! Any ideas B18?

Swallow no chance of being a mid premium I agree, but he could be the Libba of 2017, and I still maintain that Libba was a success, plus Swallow is 70k cheaper. Food for thought though. Either way, I like the structure atm because I have 14/15 potential keepers/1 trade stepping stones!

I'm still thinking about Witts at R3. Not sure if I wanna go down that path. Personally, I think the gamble going Sandi is not as fruitful if I have to o***et it with Witts. At that point, I might as well go a premium/rookie. Sandi just needs to play enough games to be able to be turned into Gawn!
 

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Agreed, Gunston is more of a placeholder. I wouldn't mind actually Gunston to Roughy, risky sure, but gives me more a look at who will be the standout forward premiums. I honestly have no idea about forward premiums atm, they're driving me crazy! Any ideas B18?

Swallow no chance of being a mid premium I agree, but he could be the Libba of 2017, and I still maintain that Libba was a success, plus Swallow is 70k cheaper. Food for thought though. Either way, I like the structure atm because I have 14/15 potential keepers/1 trade stepping stones!

I'm still thinking about Witts at R3. Not sure if I wanna go down that path. Personally, I think the gamble going Sandi is not as fruitful if I have to o***et it with Witts. At that point, I might as well go a premium/rookie. Sandi just needs to play enough games to be able to be turned into Gawn!
I won't try talk you into Heeney at this stage. Wait for the JLT and make up your mind. Other option I don't mind is Lids at F3. Start or forget! I'm not a fan of starting KPFs, prefer to trade them in after a few poor games. Buddy seems to be getting a bit of love. I think he's also a bit of a start or forget pick - historically misses 2-3 games, although played 22 last season. Motlop? Fitter and wants more mid time this season. Handy R12 bye.

Think Libba was a success too! Swallow no doubt has similar potential. With news of Ablett getting ready to leave GC (selling property, Cats trade attempt), does he get the the No.1 mid role? Close watch in the JLT.

Witts at R3 is a luxury but could be a very good investment if he averages 80 and is the clear No.1 ruck. Bonus of Sandi cover but I would pick him based on cash generation potential and bye round cover.
 
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Hey guys, 1st time poster. Here is the team im currently flirting with.. Burgoyne I've had my eye on since they moved on Smitchell an Lewis. Can see him running through the midfield a lot more this season in a struggling Hawks outfit. Body is holding up better then Hodge's, and missed stuff all footy since 2013. Will be the highest ave defender for Hawks. Trying to go as close as i can to a GnR strategy. I currently have M10 empty & $550k in the bank for any alterations that are needed. Lynch i think will win the Coleman this yr. Kicked 66 goals in a poor team, has basically a new midfield kicking to him this season. Barring injuries to the Suns, he will have a massive yr, and the best pick of any KPP player in 2017. Rolling with Adams, who should see more midfield time, hopefully his body holds up. Treloar is going to have an absolute monster of a yr, him an Pendles for me, is nearly no risk an all reward. Coniglio I have fallen in love with an have been talking him up non stop, so have to pick him lol.. Can see him being the highest scoring GWS player this yr. No Beamer or Dwallow thus far. Not 100% sure you can start with them + Sandi. Sandi the best of the 3 IMO for GnR. 1 Player that has been in an out my team is Howe. Ave 100 after Bucks finally put him down back after starting his 1st 4 games up fwd. Haven't looked at byes at all yet lol
 
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Like the structure but have a few small observations, more re strategy.

Like your thinking with Mutch but with an eye to the byes, is it worth going with him over Deluca M/F? Deluca lets you switch Macrae into the mids during that bye so you should have an extra player (as there are not many R13 bye fwds). So it's, 3 Fyfe VC loopholes vs $15k + extra R13 bye player + 2 Danger VC loopholes. Just something to consider!

I think two basement fwd rookies on field is very risky. The names there are all fringe players who are yet to debut. Might work if Eddy really cements his spot and becomes like Podsiadly a few years back. At this stage, I'd find a way to patch that up. Only way to do it is to get Beams or lose Witts (as he's a bit of a luxury).

Also have some sort of a plan for Ryder's R9 bye as Ryder and Eddy both out then and you'll be left with no bench cover if there's an unexpected out. Eddy could be traded out before then but as he is a KPF, chance he is a slow burner and hasn't matured. I'd prefer to have Heeney at F3 (which is no doubt obvious from my strong support for him in the Heeney thread). Your own call!
Thanks Bomber18.
Mitchell could become Swallow to allow me to upgrade a forward rookie but I'm struggling with F3 let alone F4. I agree that Ryder and Eddy is cutting it fine in rnd 9. Eddy could be cut early if he is going slow. Witts is expensive to have on the bench but the lack of mid rookies really encourages the mid donut so I think it is cash vs a second donut at R3 and the second donut is a luxury. Your planning around Deluca debuting in rnd 11 looks like a hail mary to me. Despite his precarious position on the Freo list he has really turned things around. He could play early and you lose your flonut. He might not play during the byes and you are just swapping a donut with a donut. Last year I traded in a flonut at M11 for the run home and it didn't have to be moved. But I am still unsure about the best donut vs the best flonut.
Hope we have more cheaper rookies than the scenario presented.
 
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Hey guys, 1st time poster. Here is the team im currently flirting with.. Burgoyne I've had my eye on since they moved on Smitchell an Lewis. Can see him running through the midfield a lot more this season in a struggling Hawks outfit. Body is holding up better then Hodge's, and missed stuff all footy since 2013. Will be the highest ave defender for Hawks. Trying to go as close as i can to a GnR strategy. I currently have M10 empty & $550k in the bank for any alterations that are needed. Lynch i think will win the Coleman this yr. Kicked 66 goals in a poor team, has basically a new midfield kicking to him this season. Barring injuries to the Suns, he will have a massive yr, and the best pick of any KPP player in 2017. Rolling with Adams, who should see more midfield time, hopefully his body holds up. Treloar is going to have an absolute monster of a yr, him an Pendles for me, is nearly no risk an all reward. Coniglio I have fallen in love with an have been talking him up non stop, so have to pick him lol.. Can see him being the highest scoring GWS player this yr. No Beamer or Dwallow thus far. Not 100% sure you can start with them + Sandi. Sandi the best of the 3 IMO for GnR. 1 Player that has been in an out my team is Howe. Ave 100 after Bucks finally put him down back after starting his 1st 4 games up fwd. Haven't looked at byes at all yet lol
Looks a bit light on for me with only 12 premos plus Sandi. You must have a fair bit of cash left over?

Other than that looks pretty good to me. I'm personally not convinced on Burgoyne, Coniglio or Lynch (mainly bc of his bye and want to see how GC goes) but that's what makes it fun.
 
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With Roughy captaincy announced he has to go in at least a few of my drafts. It has brought out my 'full-risk' version:

Shaw, Laird, Johannisen, Rance, Hampton, Scharenberg (Vickers-Willis, Newman)
Pendlebury, Treloar, Rockliff, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Beams, Swallow, Myers (Powell-Pepper, Berry D/M, Deluca-Cardello F/M FD)
Sandilands, Witts (Stnadica R/F FD)
Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, Roughead, Knight, H.McKay (J.Pickett, Eddy)

$25k left. 11 keepers/3 injury-affected possible keepers/1 speculative break-out/1 mid-pricer cashcow. Heeney should probably become Ryder to o***et the Witts on-field risk.
 

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Thanks Bomber18.
Mitchell could become Swallow to allow me to upgrade a forward rookie but I'm struggling with F3 let alone F4. I agree that Ryder and Eddy is cutting it fine in rnd 9. Eddy could be cut early if he is going slow. Witts is expensive to have on the bench but the lack of mid rookies really encourages the mid donut so I think it is cash vs a second donut at R3 and the second donut is a luxury. Your planning around Deluca debuting in rnd 11 looks like a hail mary to me. Despite his precarious position on the Freo list he has really turned things around. He could play early and you lose your flonut. He might not play during the byes and you are just swapping a donut with a donut. Last year I traded in a flonut at M11 for the run home and it didn't have to be moved. But I am still unsure about the best donut vs the best flonut.
Hope we have more cheaper rookies than the scenario presented.
No worries. But I'm not sure you got my reasoning. It had more to do with DPP. I have a feeling we might not have as many R13 bye fwds in our side so there could be a chance you have just one R13 bye fwd and have an emergency. If you get Deluca his DPP let's you get that extra player on field through a Macrae switch. If he debuts in R11 that's just a bonus. Deluca playing too early would ruin that plan though. You'd know better than me how that's going! Wouldn't mind if he plays from R9 as I could cash out Witts at that time and get his scores through the bye.
 
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Here's a new structure i've been playing around with. Blue box = locked.

I have backflipped just a touch on going super safe and have thrown in a couple of value picks with decent upside.

I think it's wildly optimistic to think that we'll get that many basement priced rookies in round 1 but have a few cash generating downgrades in mind if required.

Maynard is my FD and Witts will stay if named rd 1.

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Three rucks, and still no room for Goldy! :p
 
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With Roughy captaincy announced he has to go in at least a few of my drafts. It has brought out my 'full-risk' version:

Shaw, Laird, Johannisen, Rance, Hampton, Scharenberg (Vickers-Willis, Newman)
Pendlebury, Treloar, Rockliff, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Beams, Swallow, Myers (Powell-Pepper, Berry D/M, Deluca-Cardello F/M FD)
Sandilands, Witts (Stnadica R/F FD)
Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, Roughead, Knight, H.McKay (J.Pickett, Eddy)

$25k left. 11 keepers/3 injury-affected possible keepers/1 speculative break-out/1 mid-pricer cashcow. Heeney should probably become Ryder to o***et the Witts on-field risk.
This team reminds me of Jenga... The team that is either going to win Supercoach, or leave you with no trades after round 16.
 
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Looks a bit light on for me with only 12 premos plus Sandi. You must have a fair bit of cash left over?

Other than that looks pretty good to me. I'm personally not convinced on Burgoyne, Coniglio or Lynch (mainly bc of his bye and want to see how GC goes) but that's what makes it fun.



yeah mate, as you can see, I still have M10 empty, + $550k in the bank. That is for any adjustments that have to be made either structure wise, or anything else that arises. At this stage, this is the core of my team. The Lynch pick, to me, he is going to be the best KPP SC player come seasons end I think. Im picking Coniglio because he is a genuine POD, and I think he could finish the season Giants highest SC player. Burgoyne, should see more midfield time. More reliable then Hodge, could be this years Kade Simpson.
 
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Here's my first team for the season:

DEF: Docherty, Shaw, Rance, Adams, McGrath, Chol (Ryan, Stewart)

MID: Dangerfield, Ablett, Rockliff, Fyfe, Beams, Berry, Powell-Pepper, Myers (Pickett, Graham, Deluca-Cardillo)

RUCK: Gawn, Sandilands (Witts)

FWD: Kennedy, Dahlhaus, Heeney, McCluggage, White, Bowes (Eddy, Uebergang)

That leaves 49,100 in the bank, which is ok. Only twelve premo keepers (assuming fitness) but Sandi and Heeney could return/step up to premo.

Those first five mids can all go huuuuge, but four of them have questionable durability...eek!

Also no room for Pendlebury which is probably a terrible decision.

This team has FWD/DEF, DEF/MID, and FWD/MID swing-sets.

Bye rounds are okay, I guess - slightly ugly for Rd 9, but with luck(!), good trading(!), and the swing sets, could still be able to put 22 on field.

Lots of likely starting rookies, and room for Uebergang!
 

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If this was the case then my round 1 team would like something like this.

Montagna, Laird, Hibberd (Melb), Keefe, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman, Vickers-Willis.

Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Rockliff, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Mitchell T, McCluggage, Foote, Myers, Powell-Pepper, Mutch (donut).

Goldstein, Sandilands, Witts.

Dahlhaus, Macrae, Ryder, McCarthy, Pickett, McKay, Rioli, Eddy.

$96k left. Putting it all on the purple 7 for the brownlow. :eek:

The lack of midfield rookies and the presence of Witts encourages me to stick a donut in the mids and Essendon are the best loophole team before the byes by some way.
I think Essendon's 2015 disintegrated along with Hibberd's average that year and I see him as a returner. I'll be happy with 90. Watching Laird play reminds me a lot of Hibberd.
Ryder, Heeney or Caddy? I haven't seen a Port supporter put Lobbe in a best 22 yet so Ryder looks like good value at $418k. A lot of talk about Caddy being pushed out by Danger but he had the chance to be next to Joel Selwood in 2015 and averaged 94. People loving Heeney's finals run must be blind to the 55 he had in the first final. I think Hawthorn's glory days are gone and Gunston and Roughy were beneficiaries. They might just fall a bit short this year. I've predicted big price drops for Buddy, JJK and Lynch so they are trade in targets.
Can't beleive I have to start with so many premo mids! What a shame! NOT. Toss up between Foote, McGrath and White at M8. Would prefer a cheaper option.
This looks pretty good to me freo. Just a few thoughts/queries:

- Hibberd is a pick I am not enamoured with. He's been somewhat injury prone, and on a PIT basis, he's only had one really good season. If he averages 90 I think he'll be a negative POD for you (especially this year), and if he misses games in top of that he could end up being a frustrating pick. The loose change obviously helps, albeit you don't appear cash-strapped to me.

- No Beams is interesting - what is the thinking there? I'd probably struggle with the idea of picking Hibberd ahead of him, with similar prices (albeit different positions - Rance looks very solid and has a nice bye if you aren't keen on the defence options).

- Your rucks look good, so long as you feel that Ryder and Witts are essentially justified on their own merits (ex ruck cover). If you're unsure about the cheap rookie options, using the cash from Witts to improve your points on ground would be an option. [You obviously have some loose change already, but I think this could be well spent on upgrading Hibberd.]

- I get your thinking up forward. What do you expect Ryder to average? If you don't see him as a top keeper, Roughy would be another option as someone who should make you cash and could be a top premium if he matches his prior output. There are obviously fitness concerns, but I don't see a lot of downside with Roughy at his price, assuming he starts the year fit. Could be a way to get a look at who the top forwards are if you're uncertain, or to make some cash while one or more of your KPF targets drop in price. For the cost of a trade this might be a decent trade-off.

- You could even look at switching one of your less proven mids to a Beams and getting Roughy in at F4. You'd be increasing the risk of needing to use a trade, but you'd almost certainly be increasing your points on field (potentially in both positions) and if you got really lucky and they played 20+ at levels they've achieved in the past, you'd actually be starting two first-choice keepers.
 

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Here's my latest draft guys. Rip in.

Shaw, Rance, Laird, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman (Vicker-Willis, Hibberd)
Danger, JPK, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Swallow, Myers (Fordham, Freeman, Pickett)
Goldy, Sandi (Strnadica)
Dahl, Macrae, Gunston, McCarthy, Knight, Venables (Eddy, Polson)

33k left. Bye structure: 2/9/7/12

15/3/12, so potentially 15 keepers! Like my rookie picks, McCarthy, Knight, Scharenberg, Myers and Hampton aren't first year players, so should be more up to the rigours of AFL. Think the trend this year will be to pick as many mature agers as possible.

Thoughts?
Nice side Bomber. Very similar stucture to mine, with 10 non-rookie picks the same.

I agree that the slightly dearer but experienced "rookies" are attractive. It appears they've been much better cash generators than the expensive first rounders over the last couple of years, and I suspect their JS is typically better as well.

I think Gunston is a reasonable pick so long as you don't think the Hawks drop off a lot this year. If this is a concern, Roughy could be an option for you as a steping stone if there aren't other forwards you like as starting picks.

I wouldn't hold my breath on Swallow being a keeper. I do think he's an attractive stepping stone, and agree that Libba was a success - but I think you should be assuming he will need to be upgraded.

Good luck, I hope your side goes well ... In part because then mine probably will too! :)
 
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Nice side Bomber. Very similar stucture to mine, with 10 non-rookie picks the same.

I agree that the slightly dearer but experienced "rookies" are attractive. It appears they've been much better cash generators than the expensive first rounders over the last couple of years, and I suspect their JS is typically better as well.

I think Gunston is a reasonable pick so long as you don't think the Hawks drop off a lot this year. If this is a concern, Roughy could be an option for you as a steping stone if there aren't other forwards you like as starting picks.

I wouldn't hold my breath on Swallow being a keeper. I do think he's an attractive stepping stone, and agree that Libba was a success - but I think you should be assuming he will need to be upgraded.

Good luck, I hope your side goes well ... In part because then mine probably will too! :)
I'm thinking Roughy at F3 is a good idea. Assuming I make a forward premium my first priority, I can easily get away with a 2 premium forward line for a few rounds, given my strong midfield.

Which picks do we differ on out of interest darkie?
 
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This looks pretty good to me freo. Just a few thoughts/queries:

1. Hibberd is a pick I am not enamoured with. He's been somewhat injury prone, and on a PIT basis, he's only had one really good season.

2. No Beams is interesting - what is the thinking there?

3. I get your thinking up forward. What do you expect Ryder to average?

4. You could even look at switching one of your less proven mids to a Beams and getting Roughy in at F4. .
Thanks Darkie

1. So what you are saying is he is equal to Laird and better than Adams and Johannison. :) I'm starting to get the feeling that people don't like Hibberd as a pick. :p I think Rance has done an amazing job to average what he has given his role but I also think his role makes it hard to assume that he will keep doing it. Trade in target for me.
2. Beams recently gave an interview saying he would have to manage his injuries for the rest of his career and I don't think he is in full training yet is he?
3. 90-95 minimum. Hopefully 100. Lobbe getting a run is a risk. I'm still undecided on F3.
4. No Roughy for me. I think the captaincy is a stroke of genius from Clarkson but doesn't change my view on how much football Roughy will play. Bob Murphy was a great captain last year. Hard to get a read on Hawthorn this year. Another crack at a flag or just lots of cracks?
 

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I'm thinking Roughy at F3 is a good idea. Assuming I make a forward premium my first priority, I can easily get away with a 2 premium forward line for a few rounds, given my strong midfield.

Which picks do we differ on out of interest darkie?
I think that could work well, especially if it turns out that the KPFs (who will probably swing around more in price) are the top forwards this year.

In terms of differences versus my side, as it stands, they would be:

Shaw vs Montagna
JPK vs Pendles
Treloar vs Rocky
Bont vs Selwood
Gunston vs Roughy

... And it looks like I have slightly dearer rookies.

Obviously a lot of this comes down to personal view/preference, but I'd say your picks are probably less proven and may have lower ceilings in many cases, but are also less likely to be really bad picks. I gather that's what you're aiming for, so that's good. I'd suggest I have the edge in the mids, but your team will be more balanced as a result.
 

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Thanks Darkie

1. So what you are saying is he is equal to Laird and better than Adams and Johannison. :) I'm starting to get the feeling that people don't like Hibberd as a pick. :p I think Rance has done an amazing job to average what he has given his role but I also think his role makes it hard to assume that he will keep doing it. Trade in target for me.
2. Beams recently gave an interview saying he would have to manage his injuries for the rest of his career and I don't think he is in full training yet is he?
3. 90-95 minimum. Hopefully 100. Lobbe getting a run is a risk. I'm still undecided on F3.
4. No Roughy for me. I think the captaincy is a stroke of genius from Clarkson but doesn't change my view on how much football Roughy will play. Bob Murphy was a great captain last year. Hard to get a read on Hawthorn this year. Another crack at a flag or just lots of cracks?

I'd say that's fair re JJ and Adams ... fair to say they are probably not my kind of picks either :)

On Rance, I would normally agree with you, but I think Row pointed out some time ago that his stats are about as consistent as anyone's, and his scoring jumped sharply with the changes made to the system heading into 2015. On that basis I'm inclined to think he's the safest def pick that there is, especially with only one injury stint in five years:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-richmond-tigers--alex-rance

Sometimes you just need to back your gut on guys like Hibberd though. One of the other Dons made a comment the other day about how very few people have an opportunity to take a year out of their careers and really reflect on what they want to achieve. It did get me thinking.

On Beams, I took that comment ti mean that he needs to take care of it rather than that he will never get back to 100% - although I'd certainly be more confident if we saw/heard something more definitive. There's probably been less newsflow on Beams than might have been expected, but this article suggests he wasn't in full training in mid Dec but was expected to be close at that point:

http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-12-14/a-fullyfit-beams-is-not-far-away

Fair enough re both Ryder and Roughy. If Ryder was more durable I reckon I'd be inclined to lock him in. I'm probably inclined to take a bit more risk on others, but I can see how he's appealing (including vs Roughy) for some.
 

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DEF: Rance, Adams, Hartlett, Berry, Vickers-Willis, Newman (Ryan, Stewart).
MID: Pendlebury, Treloar, Kennedy, Bontempelli, Fyfe, Heppell, Beams, Myers, (Powell-Pepper, Barrett, Hibberd).
RUCK: Goldstein, Sandilands (Strnadica).
FWD: Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, Ryder, Black, Eddy (Bolton, Rioli).
Only finished ~40k this year so I'm mostly interested in hearing if I've made any absolute howlers. I'm also worried that my team is a little injury prone (Adams, Hartlett, Fyfe, Beams, Sandilands, Dahlhaus, Macrae).
 
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