Strategy Round 2: Trades
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As a counter argument, I would say he is likely to be one of the top 6 scoring forwards this year. I expect his price will almost surely go up after Rd 2. Depends on the rest of your team if you take him now or not, but you probably won't get him (a probable keeper) as cheap for at least a few weeks.
(I agree you will probably get him cheaper eventually, but probably not by much. He scores well as a forward).
(I agree you will probably get him cheaper eventually, but probably not by much. He scores well as a forward).
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Word of warning on Andrews @Ben's Beasts – I had him last season and he incredibly frustrating, veryyyyy up and down.
Didn't go above 100 after round 11 last season. Nicely done on the Howe starting pick *claps*
Didn't go above 100 after round 11 last season. Nicely done on the Howe starting pick *claps*
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H Andrews 2018-2019:
SC Avg: 85.51 from 37
Disposals Avg: 14.35 from 37
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 15: 104.29 from 17
SC avg when disposals below 15: 69.55 from 20
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 12: 93.81 from 27
SC avg when disposals below 12: 63.1 from 10
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 10: 90.63 from 32
SC avg when disposals below 10: 52.8 from 5
2018:
1 match below 10 disposals
3 matches below 12 disposals
7 matches below 15 disposals
2019:
4 matches below 10 disposals
7 matches below 12 disposals
13 matches below 15 disposals
SC Avg: 85.51 from 37
Disposals Avg: 14.35 from 37
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 15: 104.29 from 17
SC avg when disposals below 15: 69.55 from 20
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 12: 93.81 from 27
SC avg when disposals below 12: 63.1 from 10
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 10: 90.63 from 32
SC avg when disposals below 10: 52.8 from 5
2018:
1 match below 10 disposals
3 matches below 12 disposals
7 matches below 15 disposals
2019:
4 matches below 10 disposals
7 matches below 12 disposals
13 matches below 15 disposals
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Recruit firming for Magpie debut as doubt lingers over key forward
JUNE 04, 2020
COLLINGWOOD recruit Darcy Cameron is firming for his club debut in next Thursday night's return clash with Richmond, as American tall Mason Cox continues to battle with a knee problem.
As reported by AFL.com.au last week, Cox is dealing with bone bruising to his knee and is yet to re-join the main group after copping a knock at training last Wednesday.
The important 211cm forward will sit out the club's intraclub match at the Holden Centre on Thursday night and remains in some doubt to face the Tigers in a week's time, with his recovery taking longer than initially expected.
"He won't (play in the intraclub)," Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley said. "He obviously missed last Friday and will miss this one. That knock to the knee has been problematic, but we believe he'll be right to fully train next week.
"He will be down on a bit of match practice by the time he gets there. He did come out of the quarantine period in pretty good nick physically, so there's no doubt he's done the amount of work required from a fitness perspective.
"It'll just be that match fitness that we'll have to make an assessment on next week."
Collingwood will have 38 available players for Thursday night's intraclub, with Cameron among those vying for selection.
The 205cm ruck-forward was set to add to his one AFL game in round two as a replacement for Brody Mihocek, but has been forced to wait for his chance following the enforced shutdown period due to the global COVID-19 pandemic.
However, having made the switch from Sydney during last year's Telstra AFL Trade Period in exchange for a swap of later picks, Cameron is now finally on the verge of making his first appearance in Collingwood colours.
"I suppose I can share this here, even though it was 10 weeks ago now and it's old news, but out of our round one game Brody had suffered a partially collapsed lung and Darcy was the player that would have come in for him to play that exact role," Buckley said.
"Darcy's ruck work and his aerial strength were the two attributes that we brought him across from Sydney for. We traded for him to come to us.
"The major beneficiary from that in a very short space of time has been Brodie Grundy, who has had to ruck against Darcy and they've gone to town against each other and had some great battles.
"Darcy has slowly worked on his forward craft and his capacity to play as a tall forward for us. He's a real aerial target, he definitely has that capacity.
"He understands that he might get stuck in behind Brodie if he's simply pigeonholed as a ruckman and we've been really strong with him that we see his capacity and strength in the air to do some damage forward of the ball.
"He played a particularly good game against Richmond in the Marsh Community Series and he's training really well, so he's not that far away. If Mason wasn't to get up, we'd have no doubt that he could come in and play a really important role."
Recruit firming for Magpie debut as doubt lingers over key forward
JUNE 04, 2020
COLLINGWOOD recruit Darcy Cameron is firming for his club debut in next Thursday night's return clash with Richmond, as American tall Mason Cox continues to battle with a knee problem.
As reported by AFL.com.au last week, Cox is dealing with bone bruising to his knee and is yet to re-join the main group after copping a knock at training last Wednesday.
The important 211cm forward will sit out the club's intraclub match at the Holden Centre on Thursday night and remains in some doubt to face the Tigers in a week's time, with his recovery taking longer than initially expected.
"He won't (play in the intraclub)," Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley said. "He obviously missed last Friday and will miss this one. That knock to the knee has been problematic, but we believe he'll be right to fully train next week.
"He will be down on a bit of match practice by the time he gets there. He did come out of the quarantine period in pretty good nick physically, so there's no doubt he's done the amount of work required from a fitness perspective.
"It'll just be that match fitness that we'll have to make an assessment on next week."
Collingwood will have 38 available players for Thursday night's intraclub, with Cameron among those vying for selection.
The 205cm ruck-forward was set to add to his one AFL game in round two as a replacement for Brody Mihocek, but has been forced to wait for his chance following the enforced shutdown period due to the global COVID-19 pandemic.
However, having made the switch from Sydney during last year's Telstra AFL Trade Period in exchange for a swap of later picks, Cameron is now finally on the verge of making his first appearance in Collingwood colours.
"I suppose I can share this here, even though it was 10 weeks ago now and it's old news, but out of our round one game Brody had suffered a partially collapsed lung and Darcy was the player that would have come in for him to play that exact role," Buckley said.
"Darcy's ruck work and his aerial strength were the two attributes that we brought him across from Sydney for. We traded for him to come to us.
"The major beneficiary from that in a very short space of time has been Brodie Grundy, who has had to ruck against Darcy and they've gone to town against each other and had some great battles.
"Darcy has slowly worked on his forward craft and his capacity to play as a tall forward for us. He's a real aerial target, he definitely has that capacity.
"He understands that he might get stuck in behind Brodie if he's simply pigeonholed as a ruckman and we've been really strong with him that we see his capacity and strength in the air to do some damage forward of the ball.
"He played a particularly good game against Richmond in the Marsh Community Series and he's training really well, so he's not that far away. If Mason wasn't to get up, we'd have no doubt that he could come in and play a really important role."
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In Round 1 he played forward, nothing really changes from the Swans lineup come Round 2 as Buddy wasn't playing.
Granted he kicked 4 goals, but looking at the heat map provided by Connoissuer he had 64% of his possessions in the forward half, with all bar one of those inside the forward 50. I think we might see a more consistent scoring Heeney this year through natural progression and development, even as playing as a forward.
Everyone saying that Buddy out hurts Heeney might be forgetting he put on a clinic in Round 1, and there was no Buddy, and no midfield time.
Granted he kicked 4 goals, but looking at the heat map provided by Connoissuer he had 64% of his possessions in the forward half, with all bar one of those inside the forward 50. I think we might see a more consistent scoring Heeney this year through natural progression and development, even as playing as a forward.
Everyone saying that Buddy out hurts Heeney might be forgetting he put on a clinic in Round 1, and there was no Buddy, and no midfield time.
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I Heeney:
Wins: 100.25 from 36 (16/36 below 100, 8/36 120+)
2017: 100.36 from 14
2018: 103.29 from 14
2019: 94.75 from 8
Losses: 90.52 from 25 (17/25 below 100, 3/25 120+)
2017: 87.75 from 4
2018: 85.86 from 7
2019: 93.64 from 14
Pre Bye: 99.19 from 31 (8/31 below 80, 15/31 below 100, 7/31 120+)
2017: 97.67 from 6
2018: 107 from 13
2019: 91.5 from 12
Post Bye: 91.3 from 30 (8/30 below 80, 18/30 below 100, 4/30 120+)
2017: 97.5 from 12
2018: 82 from 8
2019: 97.1 from 10
2017-2019 Avg: 96.26 from 61
Since 2017, Heeney averages 20.37 disposals.
SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 21: 108.78 from 27 (1/27 below 80, 8/27 below 100, 7/27 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 21: 88.2 from 35 (14/35 below 80, 25/35 below 100, 5/35 120+)
Interesting - I was a long suffering Andrews owner too!
What’s your thinking on those three player types benefiting? I guess the rucks and the bulls may play a higher % TOG in a shortened game (less need for second ruck/less need for best mids to rest forward or on the bench?) ... but players like Andrews are already right up there for TOG - so I’m guessing you might be expecting a different game style?
What’s your thinking on those three player types benefiting? I guess the rucks and the bulls may play a higher % TOG in a shortened game (less need for second ruck/less need for best mids to rest forward or on the bench?) ... but players like Andrews are already right up there for TOG - so I’m guessing you might be expecting a different game style?
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It’s just one round of data but it’s the extreme DT:SC ratios that have me liking the intercept defenders/backline generals. Here’s a few:
Astbury: 49 DT, 90 SC
Weitering: 49 DT, 102 SC
T Stewart: 63 DT, 100 SC
Blicavs: 38 DT, 86 SC
Wilkie: 39 DT, 79 SC
Hurn: 94 DT, 152 SC
Howe: 110 DT, 156 SC
Andrews: 62 DT, 103 SC
Sure there will be other similar players who didn’t have such skewed scores but all of the above scored 35+ more SC points than DT points and some of them haven’t needed to hit the stats sheet too often to score well.
So I feel as though Andrews will be one of the main beneficiaries.
The midfield bulls look as though they will be scored generously due to the inflated scoring for contested possessions and the rucks will benefit from inflated scores for HOTA.
Just my thinking anyway and only based off what I saw during round 1. Round 2 could turn my observations on their collective heads!
Astbury: 49 DT, 90 SC
Weitering: 49 DT, 102 SC
T Stewart: 63 DT, 100 SC
Blicavs: 38 DT, 86 SC
Wilkie: 39 DT, 79 SC
Hurn: 94 DT, 152 SC
Howe: 110 DT, 156 SC
Andrews: 62 DT, 103 SC
Sure there will be other similar players who didn’t have such skewed scores but all of the above scored 35+ more SC points than DT points and some of them haven’t needed to hit the stats sheet too often to score well.
So I feel as though Andrews will be one of the main beneficiaries.
The midfield bulls look as though they will be scored generously due to the inflated scoring for contested possessions and the rucks will benefit from inflated scores for HOTA.
Just my thinking anyway and only based off what I saw during round 1. Round 2 could turn my observations on their collective heads!