Position SC 2021: Defender Discussion
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Listed on the GC site as 195cm. I had no idea he was that tall! Also listed as a “key forward” 
. For the reasons outlined in my earlier post, I watched him pretty closely last year. I kinda saw him as a Mills type rather than a Sicily. I’ll have to go back and check the stats and heat maps but from memory his best games saw him getting the intercepts more up the ground / in the midfield and hitting targets in the forward line on the rebound for score involvement points. He also snuck up for a couple of goals in those games.
A couple of contested intercepts per game will certainly lift the numbers.
. For the reasons outlined in my earlier post, I watched him pretty closely last year. I kinda saw him as a Mills type rather than a Sicily. I’ll have to go back and check the stats and heat maps but from memory his best games saw him getting the intercepts more up the ground / in the midfield and hitting targets in the forward line on the rebound for score involvement points. He also snuck up for a couple of goals in those games.A couple of contested intercepts per game will certainly lift the numbers.
The thing that stood out to me is how often he'd go from a nothing score to 50 at half time with a couple of kicks. I'm not sure I've ever seen a player hit targets 50-70 metres away so easily, his kicks have this fairly unique combination of length and perfectly markable trajectory. Even the best long kicks like Rich and Hurn generally have to go with bullet passes or kick it a bit higher.
I haven't seen him train/play myself, just relying on word of mouth and limited videos, but he seems to be getting decent wraps from the regular track watchers on BF. Jeka seems to be the slightly better performing tall forward option though based on sessions so far, but I think both are meant to be looking good. Good to see there's a few younger players showing something - could be a few early season debuts. Would think Kosi might be given a crack first out of those two (him and Jeka), and there should be at least one forward spot for the taking thanks to Patton out and Gunston injured. I wouldn't expect great SC scores based on the type of player, but who knows.
Others such as @Goodie's Guns might be able to give more reliable thoughts.
Others such as @Goodie's Guns might be able to give more reliable thoughts.
I haven't seen him train/play myself, just relying on word of mouth and limited videos, but he seems to be getting decent wraps from the regular track watchers on BF. Jeka seems to be the slightly better performing tall forward option though based on sessions so far, but I think both are meant to be looking good. Good to see there's a few younger players showing something - could be a few early season debuts. Would think Kosi might be given a crack first out of those two (him and Jeka), and there should be at least one forward spot for the taking thanks to Patton out and Gunston injured. I wouldn't expect great SC scores based on the type of player, but who knows.
Others such as @Goodie's Guns might be able to give more reliable thoughts.
Others such as @Goodie's Guns might be able to give more reliable thoughts.
I had a look at Duggan's numbers from round 9 onward and aside from a slight increase in his disposal count nothing stands out. No appreciable increase in metres gained, score involvement, DE, TOG, intercepts, marks or tackles. Contested possession rate remained extremely low and he still recorded 0-1 tackles in multiple games playing more time in the midfield.
But there's still the massive jump in SC scoring. What am I missing?
But there's still the massive jump in SC scoring. What am I missing?
It's an interesting one, stats support more of a wing role but:
Tackles doubled, possessions are up 10%, Clearances doubled, R50 up 50% and I50 up a third, also had a couple of goal assists (none in first half).
Saying each one of those extra stats is worth 2 points would explain the jump more or less. Most of those are worth more than 2 points as well.
Tackles doubled, possessions are up 10%, Clearances doubled, R50 up 50% and I50 up a third, also had a couple of goal assists (none in first half).
Saying each one of those extra stats is worth 2 points would explain the jump more or less. Most of those are worth more than 2 points as well.
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Without having all the detailed scoring parameters from CD for all the games... I don't think there is going to be an obvious answer that you can directly pinpoint how he exactly gained all the extra points. The role change was definitely visible though, and there was an uptick in almost all areas of his stats. He avg'd 68.87 SC in the first 8 games, which jumped to 98.12 SC in the last 8 games.
I suspect a lot would have to do with where and how he was getting and disposing of the ball. In the first half of the season he was playing solely off half back, a lot of uncontested possessions and possessions that didn't really hurt the opposition. Once he moved to a more midfield role (whilst still clocking some time at half back)... He was getting more contested stuff in the middle of the ground in a much more damaging position, and was also using it well... often kicking it to dangerous positions in the forward line.
The role change was very obvious and resulted in him finishing 5th in our B&F. So the coaches where impressed with his season too.
Probably not much of a help to you, but it's a pity there is only 1 pre-season game this year to see him in the new role, I like seeing comments like this from training observers though...
Not sure if his CBA numbers will rise, as we liked him charging in off half-back more than starting him in the guts. But the arrival of Witherden might have free'd him up even more so than the back half of last season.
I suspect a lot would have to do with where and how he was getting and disposing of the ball. In the first half of the season he was playing solely off half back, a lot of uncontested possessions and possessions that didn't really hurt the opposition. Once he moved to a more midfield role (whilst still clocking some time at half back)... He was getting more contested stuff in the middle of the ground in a much more damaging position, and was also using it well... often kicking it to dangerous positions in the forward line.
The role change was very obvious and resulted in him finishing 5th in our B&F. So the coaches where impressed with his season too.
Probably not much of a help to you, but it's a pity there is only 1 pre-season game this year to see him in the new role, I like seeing comments like this from training observers though...
Not sure if his CBA numbers will rise, as we liked him charging in off half-back more than starting him in the guts. But the arrival of Witherden might have free'd him up even more so than the back half of last season.
