Strategy 2023: Round 16 Trades

[Under The Dome]

Last two upgrades. What do you prefer?

1. Libba and LDU this week
2. Parish and Serong this week
3. Parish/Serong this week, Clarry next
4. Libba this week, Clarry in two weeks

Notes:
Options 1-3 leave me with 4 trades left over. Option 4 leaves 3 trades left over.
For Options 3 and 4, it's worth noting that I have good DPP cover for M8 this week (ability to take best score of Fyfe/MJ this week even though they are in the same game, and able to loop Seamus into Fyfe or MJ next week).

You probably end up spending the extra trade on LDU/Parish in the long run.
I'd take Liberatore and try get the best from Fyfe, Johnson or Wardlaw for an extra round or two.

 

[Darkie]

Trying to work out what to do here for the run home.
5 trades left, $25k in bank.

Team is "full premo" but wary my backline might be on the lighter side with the fluctuations of Ziebell/ Sheezel and the glaringly obvious Tom Stewart sized hole...

Unfortunately I didn't pull the trigger on Humphrey to Keays last week so tossing up what to do now.

I can either downgrade Humphrey to a rookie option (even the likes of Sheldrick) and have the coin to upgrade Ziebell to Stewart. This would however mean likely running with Sheldrick on field for a week or two with Oliver issues.
Alternatively, I swap Humphrey for someone like Himmerlberg or Matt Kennedy who provide a bit more flexibility with my defence - but likely means I struggle to get Stewart in until late in the year.

Unsure on the Oliver issue... my main target would be Lachie Neale. But I know my opponent this week and next also have Oliver. And if I can get through these weeks without trading then he would be ideal in the run home. Plus it saves me burning some precious trades.

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Your 22 looks good, and with Hall not playing I wouldn’t worry too much about trying to upgrade to Stewart from the likes of Ziebell.

Bench cover is looking quite thin, so I reckon I’d be looking to trade Humphrey to a good DPP rookie type, or ideally conserving his cash for a Mills type but with DPP (maybe Kennedy is a decent example).

Ie I think it’s probably time to build some DPP flex for cover - your onfield side looks comfortably good enough to me.

 

[scarfaceclaw]

I'm bringing in Butters. Hes my favourite player. He was meant to start...then I was meant to get him when his price started with a 4. Dpp helps too. Johnson to Butters.

 

[Mr_Arrogance]

Hi Guys, currently top 60 and hoping for some help.

Does anyone have any suggestions on ways for me to move forward? 1st priority is to trade Humphrey (possibly to Mullin) to open up Def/Mid link again. Would give bank of 300k
Weak links appear to be Day/Sheezel/Steele on field and no English. Also not having great coverage on the fwd bench or any DPP to cover there.

Do I use a 2nd trade this week to go Marshall to English while the difference is only 50k. Marshall has WCE so would it be worth holding another week? Would leave me 4 trades and 250k in the bank and lots of bench depth with Seamus, Ashcroft and MJ

I was hoping to upgrade my team to include Sicily and Clarry down the line (via Day/Sheezel and Steele) and should have enough $ left to do so as long as I don't run out of trades in the mean time.

Appreciate peoples thoughts. Thanks

 

[Monya Meow Meow]

I need one more bloke to complete my midfield, looking at Walsh strongly so is fading Clarry a smart/stupid move?

Bont
Laird
Trac
Zerrett
Neale
Green
Titch

I think the last 2 blokes in that list would be the weak link but there's ntg much I can do about it now with low trades.

With the latest Clarry injury news, looks like I'll be fading him since I already have Trac

 

[Chumpion]

Hi Guys, currently top 60 and hoping for some help.

Does anyone have any suggestions on ways for me to move forward? 1st priority is to trade Humphrey (possibly to Mullin) to open up Def/Mid link again. Would give bank of 300k
Weak links appear to be Day/Sheezel/Steele on field and no English. Also not having great coverage on the fwd bench or any DPP to cover there.

Do I use a 2nd trade this week to go Marshall to English while the difference is only 50k. Marshall has WCE so would it be worth holding another week? Would leave me 4 trades and 250k in the bank and lots of bench depth with Seamus, Ashcroft and MJ

I was hoping to upgrade my team to include Sicily and Clarry down the line (via Day/Sheezel and Steele) and should have enough $ left to do so as long as I don't run out of trades in the mean time.

Appreciate peoples thoughts. Thanks

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Personally, I think you get more benefit from upgrading Steele/Day/Sheezal than from going Marshall to English. Since round 8, there is only a 7 point difference in average between English (117) and Marshall (110), so if that holds across the remainder of the season you get ~63 points from that upgrade. Given it requires cash and one of your 6 remaining trades, I thing you're better off passing on that move and prioritising a better return. For context, a single week trade that avoids a donut would likely net you more points!

In terms of flexibility for the run home, I think you need to have a thought about losing Sturt. 2 fwd only players blocks a lot of your DPP flex, and basically takes away the ability to use Cameron to cover your rucks. I would consider doing Sturt to Dewar (or a similar $102k fwd/def rookie) that allows you to use Mitchell to as cover for just about any line. Only frees up $70k but the structural benefits are worth much more.

From there I'd either hold a week and see what happens, or use 1 more trade to free up some cash to make a targeted upgrade next week. My personal view is that players will miss in the run home (injury & suspension), but good cover means you can ride some of that out, so dropping to 3 trades to go one of your weaker players to an elite premium is well worth considering.

 

[blue dreamer]

Both played well in round 14, Cuningham definitely should stay in all year with any luck but that was his 1st senior game since round 9 2021. He's had so many injuries I couldn't pick him with any confidence.

And that was Fogarty's 4th game in 2 years, he's had a few smaller injuries but been playing mainly VFL

Think Hewitt pushes one out.
First out probably Fog.
But, Cottrell already out this week due to mro.

 

[Serj]

Personally, I think you get more benefit from upgrading Steele/Day/Sheezal than from going Marshall to English. Since round 8, there is only a 7 point difference in average between English (117) and Marshall (110), so if that holds across the remainder of the season you get ~63 points from that upgrade. Given it requires cash and one of your 6 remaining trades, I thing you're better off passing on that move and prioritising a better return. For context, a single week trade that avoids a donut would likely net you more points!

In terms of flexibility for the run home, I think you need to have a thought about losing Sturt. 2 fwd only players blocks a lot of your DPP flex, and basically takes away the ability to use Cameron to cover your rucks. I would consider doing Sturt to Dewar (or a similar $102k fwd/def rookie) that allows you to use Mitchell to as cover for just about any line. Only frees up $70k but the structural benefits are worth much more.

From there I'd either hold a week and see what happens, or use 1 more trade to free up some cash to make a targeted upgrade next week. My personal view is that players will miss in the run home (injury & suspension), but good cover means you can ride some of that out, so dropping to 3 trades to go one of your weaker players to an elite premium is well worth considering.

I agree, and you can add Cogs to your list of potential upgrades. Marshall to English gives a lot less than Cogs>Butters, Day>Sicily (in a couple weeks), Steele>take your pick.

If you're cashing in Humphrey, then I'd be looking at spending that cash on Steele>libba/butters/cerra or someone like that, get a nice high value POD upgrade from your worst on field player, then sitting on the 4 remaining trades for a couple weeks.

I don't think you actually need forward line support, the risk is tolerable. 5 of them are mid eligible, so if one of them goes down for a week, swap macrae into the forward line and you're golden. the risk is just if its dcam or a ruck-just 3 players without real cover, not 8.

 

[Mr_Arrogance]

Personally, I think you get more benefit from upgrading Steele/Day/Sheezal than from going Marshall to English. Since round 8, there is only a 7 point difference in average between English (117) and Marshall (110), so if that holds across the remainder of the season you get ~63 points from that upgrade. Given it requires cash and one of your 6 remaining trades, I thing you're better off passing on that move and prioritising a better return. For context, a single week trade that avoids a donut would likely net you more points!

In terms of flexibility for the run home, I think you need to have a thought about losing Sturt. 2 fwd only players blocks a lot of your DPP flex, and basically takes away the ability to use Cameron to cover your rucks. I would consider doing Sturt to Dewar (or a similar $102k fwd/def rookie) that allows you to use Mitchell to as cover for just about any line. Only frees up $70k but the structural benefits are worth much more.

From there I'd either hold a week and see what happens, or use 1 more trade to free up some cash to make a targeted upgrade next week. My personal view is that players will miss in the run home (injury & suspension), but good cover means you can ride some of that out, so dropping to 3 trades to go one of your weaker players to an elite premium is well worth considering.

Appreciate your input. You make a good point on small gap between Marshall and english. Although if you take the whole season then there is a 16 point per game average between the 2 of them which is a much larger number and perhaps more worthy of a trade.

I agree that sheezel/day are weak but their price is trending up (unsure on sheezel but without hall could be 95-100 again) and Steele is against WCE and could come good injury wise perhaps so would prefer to wait at least 1 more week.
Considering I want an upgrade to be Sicily it also makes sense to wait to see which of the 2 backs would be the 1 to trade out.

I also agree that I could benefit from DPP in fwd line, but I could also wait until completely necessary to do that as Macrae covers 5 of the fwd players currently so it's only necessary to trade if Dcam or the 2 rucks get injured. I kinda don't want to use a trade just to cover 3 guys in my team.

 

[Mr_Arrogance]

I agree, and you can add Cogs to your list of potential upgrades. Marshall to English gives a lot less than Cogs>Butters, Day>Sicily (in a couple weeks), Steele>take your pick.

If you're cashing in Humphrey, then I'd be looking at spending that cash on Steele>libba/butters/cerra or someone like that, get a nice high value POD upgrade from your worst on field player, then sitting on the 4 remaining trades for a couple weeks.

I don't think you actually need forward line support, the risk is tolerable. 5 of them are mid eligible, so if one of them goes down for a week, swap macrae into the forward line and you're golden. the risk is just if its dcam or a ruck-just 3 players without real cover, not 8.

Cheers for the insight. I do want to spend that money that I will be sitting on(feel like it is a waste otherwise but I'm not totally sure). Sounds like 2 ppl so far agree that Marshall to english is a waste so I will investigate the butters/libba options. Those just eat a bit more cash and in my eyes were providing about the same level of upgrade points for rest of season as Marshall to english. I hate barracking against english every game of the year lol

 

[Shaunpro1]

Considering chucking the E on him myself. Had that 47 against them in round 6 and a 58 in the GF (although he wasn’t a premium last year and was playing a different role). Lloyd also has had scoring issues against the Cats recently with 77 against them in round 6 and a 57 in the GF. Important to remember these games were 100 point losses, which surely won’t happen at the SCG.

Depends if Geelong get on top in the middle, Sydney just dont have an answer.

 

[Manikato1]

Hi Guys, currently top 60 and hoping for some help.

Does anyone have any suggestions on ways for me to move forward? 1st priority is to trade Humphrey (possibly to Mullin) to open up Def/Mid link again. Would give bank of 300k
Weak links appear to be Day/Sheezel/Steele on field and no English. Also not having great coverage on the fwd bench or any DPP to cover there.

Do I use a 2nd trade this week to go Marshall to English while the difference is only 50k. Marshall has WCE so would it be worth holding another week? Would leave me 4 trades and 250k in the bank and lots of bench depth with Seamus, Ashcroft and MJ

I was hoping to upgrade my team to include Sicily and Clarry down the line (via Day/Sheezel and Steele) and should have enough $ left to do so as long as I don't run out of trades in the mean time.

Appreciate peoples thoughts. Thanks

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I agree qwith the comments of Chumpion and Serj. For mine Steele is the biggest issue. However given you are 60th and I presume you want the best result you may need to research the teams above you. Steele to Libba may be a good trade in terms of points but if 59 of the 60 teams above you already have Libba I am not sure you will make much ground on them. You need a premo but one that can give you the points but is not a player everyone has. Which could be very hard to find.

 

[inwhiterooms]

I'm bringing in Butters. Hes my favourite player. He was meant to start...then I was meant to get him when his price started with a 4. Dpp helps too. Johnson to Butters.

The game is supposed to be fun after all, send it.

 

[Shaunpro1]

The game is supposed to be fun after all, send it.

Yeah even at a good rank I constantly tell myself its a game and to have fun playing, if you're over analysing and stressing it quickly just becomes a chore.

 

[scarfaceclaw]

I think its important to want your favourite player to do well! I really don't remember my rank after a season. I have a cap from two seasons ago!

 

[Shaunpro1]

I think its important to want your favourite player to do well! I really don't remember my rank after a season. I have a cap from two seasons ago!

I play to increase the enjoyment of watching footy and get a bit of stress relief from an otherwise busy work life, really doing well or not doesnt particularly bother me, swing from the fences and if it works it works, it doesnt I've got much bigger priorities anyway.

 

[frosty1]

I've held Oliver all this time. Do I just sideways to Laird given the timeline is still an unknown? Feel like I've lost 400+ points by not doing this a month ago......

 

[Shaunpro1]

Anyone able to tell me what has happened to Jade Gresham the last 6 or 7 weeks? He's the sort of guy who I might have liked any F7/M9 at the start of the year, and he has completely fallen apart from a scoring perspective. At his price I wonder whether he's worth having sitting on the pine for the last part of the season?

Wants to leave is my mail and is playing like he couldnt care less.

 

[bluesbrothers]

Appreciate your input. You make a good point on small gap between Marshall and english. Although if you take the whole season then there is a 16 point per game average between the 2 of them which is a much larger number and perhaps more worthy of a trade.

I agree that sheezel/day are weak but their price is trending up (unsure on sheezel but without hall could be 95-100 again) and Steele is against WCE and could come good injury wise perhaps so would prefer to wait at least 1 more week.
Considering I want an upgrade to be Sicily it also makes sense to wait to see which of the 2 backs would be the 1 to trade out.

I also agree that I could benefit from DPP in fwd line, but I could also wait until completely necessary to do that as Macrae covers 5 of the fwd players currently so it's only necessary to trade if Dcam or the 2 rucks get injured. I kinda don't want to use a trade just to cover 3 guys in my team.

I agree with what others have said regarding English/Marshall. I would be very wary about Steele this week. St Kilda have mentioned two weeks in a row that he has a few slight injuries but not enough to keep him from playing. Against WC I could easily seem him being given the week off to rest, or being subbed out once the game is over. I have him and am debating trading him this week over finishing my team. Having said that, I also expect WC will be a little harder to beat this week vs the last couple. I don't think its very often a coach is as blunt about his senior players as much as Simpson was last week. I would say careers are on the line this week for a few players so imagine there will be a heightened effort compared to previous weeks.

 

[inwhiterooms]

I've held Oliver all this time. Do I just sideways to Laird given the timeline is still an unknown? Feel like I've lost 400+ points by not doing this a month ago......

I would do that if you're without Laird and have no other easy path.

Oliver holder myself, but I'm not in-love with any of the options I don't already have so am leaning towards hoping Johnson can cover him another week.