Opinion 2024 AFL SuperCoach Planning Thread

[Ironhawk]

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40 trades … man this game has changed so much over the last 5 or so years.

I like the extra trades in general, but they are not needed just for two teams on a bye when it is already best 18.

.. I'll still probably run out of trades with 6 weeks to go.

 

[Shaunpro1]

With 40 you can probably just pick who you want at maximum value and complete the side so quickly that players missing on byes isn't going to matter anyway, really don't like the look of that.

Those 4 trades used to upgrade quicker is going to o***et minimal point losses from best 18 pretty quickly.

 

[BlufBlufShuv]

I wonder if that means 3 trades/round over the early byes? That would then mean there'd be 13 rounds where 3 trades would be available.

Seems strange when AFLF haven't increased the trades available/round over the early byes

Yep, apparently 3 trades available per round in the early byes.

 

[OnTopBar]

With 40 you can probably just pick who you want at maximum value and complete the side so quickly that players missing on byes isn't going to matter anyway, really don't like the look of that.

Those 4 trades used to upgrade quicker is going to o***et minimal point losses from best 18 pretty quickly.

I'm thinking that the points loss is going to be greater from those players missing the early byes because that loss isn't spread out over the whole season. Teams could be completed earlier, but that's purely down to cash gen.

What is does mean, for me anyway, is that the sideways trading of premos over those early byes is way less risky. For instance, starting Green who has WCE and North matchups in rnds 1 & 2 then flicking him to Walsh in Rnd 3 becomes viable, miss his bye and free up a bit of cash for corrections.

 

[OnTopBar]

Yep, apparently 3 trades available per round in the early byes.

Ok, no trades rnd 1, one trade rnd 4 and 13 x 3 trades over all of the other rounds to rnd 15. Should see me in the NTLC by then.

 

[Under The Dome]

Start a $250k guy that jumps to $350k.

Cull 2x $124k rookies at $244k each for $240k.

Get a player at $590k for 3 trades.

Do that x4 for 12 trades and 16/17 keepers depending on what you start with. 28 trades left for 5-6 upgrades thereafter.

 

[Zim^zuM]

With 40 you can probably just pick who you want at maximum value and complete the side so quickly that players missing on byes isn't going to matter anyway, really don't like the look of that.

Those 4 trades used to upgrade quicker is going to o***et minimal point losses from best 18 pretty quickly.

All they need to do to counter it is price rises begin immediately. Taking away 2 free looks on rookies would make it much more challenging. 2 trades a week in AF and you struggle to complete a team if you don't start with value picks and get the rookie week 1.

 

[Shaunpro1]

All they need to do to counter it is price rises begin immediately. Taking away 2 free looks on rookies would make it much more challenging. 2 trades a week in AF and you struggle to complete a team if you don't start with value picks and get the rookie week 1.

I think with 40 we move even more to a more value orientated game anyway, can siphon off mid pricers so quickly and keep upgrading your team, think the days of the good old guns and rookies is coming to an end.

Seek value on your starting premiums then just keep trading mid pricers up to premos, becomes a very simple game once you have that many trades to play with.

 

[TBG]

I agree with Eagling that you only pick Steele, Touk and Walsh if you think they're top 10 mids both on games played and average. You don't want 3 M8's. Unless you think they're going to be perma captain's, most mids can be picked up around $600k and Walsh is $576. He's sharing the points with a few at Carlton and his price shouldn't get out of hand. Miller and Steele save about $50k and $70k and Miller and Walsh cost you about 50-60 points with their bye. The best value is usually from starting rookies and premiums with interrupted scoring during the year. Whether it's a cash cow, a stepping stone, a value pick or a fallen premium you really need $150k of "value". Now I know it doesn't always work out that way and we compromise a lot but you shouldn't have to compromise with a clean slate.
I would think Miller and Walsh are better as trade targets. Steele could be worth a punt if he doesn't have any preseason hiccups.

What is wrong with picking Steele with a view of him helping you get to N Daicos after Daicos round 5 bye (If Steele doesn't perform as a keeper in the first 5 rounds). Steele will play all 5 rounds therefore will score close/similar to what Daicos will score in his 4 games then you can assess if Steele is worth keeping and if not, a downgrade of a mid-pricer/rookie will allow you to upgrade Steele to Daicos in 2 trades. Keep in mind that only a few seasons ago Steel was a top 5 mid for a coupe of years in a row and he has reasons for poor scoring last year with a few injuries. I at least know with Steele he will play midfield every week. Could be worth a punt to help get through the early byes then reassess?

 

[freowho]

I'm thinking that the points loss is going to be greater from those players missing the early byes because that loss isn't spread out over the whole season. Teams could be completed earlier, but that's purely down to cash gen.

What is does mean, for me anyway, is that the sideways trading of premos over those early byes is way less risky. For instance, starting Green who has WCE and North matchups in rnds 1 & 2 then flicking him to Walsh in Rnd 3 becomes viable, miss his bye and free up a bit of cash for corrections.

Still seems like a hail mary with little upside.

 

[Shaunpro1]

Still seems like a hail mary with little upside.

Dont think setting up with the mindset to be sideways trading premiums around the byes is the way to play it but time will tell, can't help but think that avenue just falls behind.

 

[Under The Dome]

A fun side with four of the top six draft rookies on field.

 

[freowho]

What is wrong with picking Steele with a view of him helping you get to N Daicos after Daicos round 5 bye (If Steele doesn't perform as a keeper in the first 5 rounds). Steele will play all 5 rounds therefore will score close/similar to what Daicos will score in his 4 games then you can assess if Steele is worth keeping and if not, a downgrade of a mid-pricer/rookie will allow you to upgrade Steele to Daicos in 2 trades. Keep in mind that only a few seasons ago Steel was a top 5 mid for a coupe of years in a row and he has reasons for poor scoring last year with a few injuries. I at least know with Steele he will play midfield every week. Could be worth a punt to help get through the early byes then reassess?

If you think Steele is a top 10 mid then he's a great pick. If you think he needs to be traded he's a bad pick. Depends on how you read the tea leaves.

 

[TBG]

If you think Steele is a top 10 mid then he's a great pick. If you think he needs to be traded he's a bad pick. Depends on how you read the tea leaves.

All I'm saying is he's proven to be a top 10 mid only a couple of years ago so with his injuries last season being a reason for his drop off in score he does present value. If he doesn't work out you can get him to a gun in a couple of trades.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

Look forward to SuperCoach opening tomorrow.

Using a Spreadsheet and the file dumped on player prices that someone kindly dropped on this site feels like more first upgrade to come.

 

[GrainFedBeef]

If you think Steele is a top 10 mid then he's a great pick. If you think he needs to be traded he's a bad pick. Depends on how you read the tea leaves.

All I'm saying is he's proven to be a top 10 mid only a couple of years ago so with his injuries last season being a reason for his drop off in score he does present value. If he doesn't work out you can get him to a gun in a couple of trades.

Fyfe was a proven top 10 mid only a few years ago, even cheaper at under $300k, Freowho and I are going to back him in, tell me I am speaking the truth Freowho, are we in or are we in!!!!

In all seriousness, if his one handed grab today gets shown around, watch his ownership go up.

 

[Shaunpro1]

If you think Steele is a top 10 mid then he's a great pick. If you think he needs to be traded he's a bad pick. Depends on how you read the tea leaves.

I dont mind picking one of that Steele sort of group, problems arise if you're picking 2 or 3 of them for mine, may work out but think its far more likely to end up with 3 blokes on the borderline of top 8 mids, the top echelon are unlikely to go anywhere and theres a handful beyond that with upside can't afford to have too many spots locked in.

 

[NDD]

If you're not expecting Steele to be a keeper, you shouldn't be picking him.

I worry about Grundys 2 byes 5 and 12 both crucial Marshall is better placed at 0 and 15 almost perfect

 

[TopBillings]

I dont mind picking one of that Steele sort of group, problems arise if you're picking 2 or 3 of them for mine, may work out but think its far more likely to end up with 3 blokes on the borderline of top 8 mids, the top echelon are unlikely to go anywhere and theres a handful beyond that with upside can't afford to have too many spots locked in.

It’s a valid point. I’ve currently got Walsh/Touk/Steele & I’m wondering that myself but they all have the potential to go 110-120 easily. But very risky

 

[freowho]

Fyfe was a proven top 10 mid only a few years ago, even cheaper at under $300k, Freowho and I are going to back him in, tell me I am speaking the truth Freowho, are we in or are we in!!!!

In all seriousness, if his one handed grab today gets shown around, watch his ownership go up.

Pavlich was a presenter on the tennis today and I still got goosebumps!
I'm all in on Fyfy.