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Which team wins a final first?

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Collingwood boss is accused of making disgraceful racist 'jokes' about Indigenous Aussies and Jews as new scandal hits club | Daily Mail Online

Collingwood boss is accused of making disgraceful racist 'jokes' about Indigenous Aussies and Jews as new scandal hits club
  • Collingwood facing another alleged racism scandal
  • Involves alleged comments from CEO Craig Kelly
  • Claims filed in Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia
By Oliver Caffrey And Tara Cosoleto For Australian Associated Press

The AFL has been urged to strip Collingwood of premiership points should explosive fresh racism allegations be proven in court.

The Magpies, including chief executive Craig Kelly, are facing damning claims that on Monday were filed in the Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia.

Mark Cleaver, the club's former head of First Nations strategy, is the sole applicant in the documents, while the Collingwood Football Club is the only respondent.

'The allegations in this case call into question whether the Collingwood Football Club has learned anything from its multiple self-inflicted racism scandals,' Daniel Victory, principal with Maurice Blackburn Lawyers, said in a statement to AAP.

'We are entitled to expect more from a club that has promised to do better.

'The conduct alleged in this case has no place in society or any sporting club and especially not in a league that holds itself out as an agent for social change.

'Football fans have a right to feel let down once again by the Collingwood Football Club.

'The AFL should consider penalising premiership points from clubs if allegations like this are proven.'

Kelly is alleged to have 'joked' about placing a 'live f***ing possum' in a special room for Indigenous players, called an Aboriginal elder a 'dumb old b**ch' and suggested sending a photograph of a 'Free Palestine' sign to a Jewish colleague, News Corp reported.

It comes after Collingwood commissioned an independent review to deal with racism in 2021.

Former Magpies president Eddie McGuire at the time labelled the release of the report 'a historic and proud day.'

A week after his highly-criticised comments, McGuire stood down following more than 20 years in charge.

The Magpies also came under fire when premiership-winning star Heritier Lumumba severed all ties with the club in 2022.

Lumumba stated at the time 'nothing has changed' in the wake of the club's Do Better report into ongoing allegations of racism at the club.

Collingwood and the AFL have been contacted for comment.
 
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From this survey conducted by the AFL earlier this year:

Do you support a wildcard system for finals (ie 7th v 10th and 8th v 9th for the final two spots in the top eight)
No - 75 per cent
Yes - 25 per cent

Good to see the AFL care about fans, and not cash.
 
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This concept is becoming popular in world sport. I personally hate it.

The NBA have the play-in tournament which is effectively the same thing. A team could play 82 games and finish in 7th spot then have an off day and lose to the 10th place team who have multiple more losses, yet the 10th placed team go through to the playo*** based off one single game.

If you played well enough in the H&A season to get 7th or 8th spot then you deserve that spot. Is that not the whole point of the H&A season? To form a ladder. If you come 9th or 10th then bad luck, only so many teams can make the finals. And if you go through with this idea then surely the 7th and 8th placed teams get to host the final at their home venue?

At the end of the day all the AFL and most sports really care about is money. The more games played, especially finals games, the more revenue they get. It would add some extra excitement, but I feel it takes away some of the integrity of the game and adds to an already unfair competition.
 
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Hate it. Imagine finishing 7th on % and full 5 games ahead of 10th. And on the day everything goes the 10th teams way and they win. Is that finals football representative of the best teams? Not even close. Next AFL will have a finals structure that sees the last team play the top team, second last play second top etc etc Finals extended for a month longer to extract the last drop of blood. We will be singing "One Day In November".
 
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From this survey conducted by the AFL earlier this year:

Do you support a wildcard system for finals (ie 7th v 10th and 8th v 9th for the final two spots in the top eight)
No - 75 per cent
Yes - 25 per cent

Good to see the AFL care about fans, and not cash.
AFL has never cared about fans. Of all the stakeholders in the game the ones that support it and watch it are considered the least important. The AFL bows before the alter of the $ always.
 
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Zurich Insurance Group introduces blanket concussion exclusion for new AFL players in wake of giant payouts
Seven figure wins for former AFL players forced to retire due to the impact of concussions have prompted a major insurance firm to ditch head trauma cover, prompting fears across the league.
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Global insurance provider Zurich has shut the gate on concussion claims for new AFL players after a series of million-dollar payouts.
The Herald Sun can reveal three former AFL players – St Kilda and Sydney defender Paddy McCartin, Western Bulldogs and Brisbane Lions fullback Marcus Adams and Collingwood and Adelaide playmaker Paul Seedsman – have recently received seven-figure payouts for head trauma.
All three had retired due to the debilitating effects of on-field concussions that they said had impacted their ability to work and caused devastating symptoms such as memory loss, moodiness, nausea, sensitivity to light and noise and sleeplessness.
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And following big payouts to the trio, and several other smaller claims, Zurich last month introduced a blanket concussion exclusion from professional sporting claims for new clients.

Paddy McCartin recently retired due to concussion. (Photo by Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)

Paul Seedsman’s career ended in 2023. (Photo by Sarah Reed/AFL Photos via Getty Images)
The change has triggered fears footballers will be left financially exposed, with some of the league’s top agents at an AFL Players’ Association conference on Wednesday accusing the insurance provider of walking out on the game’s stars amid the concussion crisis.
A senior Zurich manager confirmed that new AFL clients could not claim for concussion under the so-called Active policy in email on July 11.
“The business has made a decision to exclude concussion on all professional sportspeople,” the email said.
“No benefit will be payable for any claim where the condition or event giving rise to the claim is directly or indirectly related to concussion or traumatic injury, including complications.
“This includes chronic traumatic encephalopathy or (chronic) post-concussion syndrome or any other future diagnosis linked to head trauma.”
Player agents are now understood to be weighing up alternative cover options amid growing concerns about the impacts of brain injuries.
Four AFL players have been forced into medical retirement this year due to concussions, including Collingwood’s Nathan Murphy and Josh Carmichael, Melbourne’s Angus Brayshaw and Western Bulldogs’ Aiden O’Driscoll.
Last week, Murphy said he still suffered “constant headaches” and had days where he did “not want to get out of bed”, 10 months after his Grand Final head-knock.
Players do not have a group trauma insurance policy that covers concussions, meaning they have to take out their own individual policies in conjunction with their agents.

Nathan Murphy played his final AFL game in the 2023 grand final. (Photo by Russell Freeman/AFL Photos via Getty Images)
AFL concussion victims without trauma cover only have access to money from their existing player contracts, the AFLPA’s $25m injury and hardship fund and the players’ superannuation fund which is a death and total permanent disability policy.
That hardship money will increase to a total of $54m by 2027, following talks between the association and the AFL.
But specialist insurance adviser Adriana Oreskov, who has handled some of the most prominent AFL players’ concussion claims, including those of Kade Kolodjashnij and Guy Walker from Melbourne, and West Coast’s Patrick Bines, said the current group of players were at major risk.
“Some of these players who have suffered brain injuries on the field are unable to work again,” Oreskov said.
“The impacts can be devastating and we have seen a number of players retire recently, but the reality is there can be lifelong consequences. So it doesn’t just end their careers, it can really restrict their livelihoods and their ability to look after and provide for their families.
“More and more players are realising they need to protect themselves and I would really encourage them to assess their options in this space.”
The revelations come little over a week after the Herald Sun revealed that the AFL’s landmark $25 million brain injury research program had stalled amid marathon negotiations on how it would work.
Announced in late 2022, the Brain Health Initiative is the biggest financial commitment the league has made to examining the impact of head knocks – an issue which has also sparked a class action involving more than 100 former players against the AFL.

Angus Brayshaw was forced into retirement this year. Pic: Michael Klein
But while the league has accepted that studying the brains of deceased former players is critical for the initiative to be meaningful, it has declined to respond to questions about the progress of negotiations with brain bank facilities.
The Herald Sun on July 30 revealed that meetings about partnering with two brain banks – the Australian Sports Brain Bank and the Sydney Brain Bank – have failed to lead to any agreements.
Back in September 2020, former AFL chief Gillon McLachlan pledged to do “whatever” was necessary to ensure players’ safety after a post-mortem diagnosis revealed tragic St Kilda great Danny Frawley – who suffered about 20 concussions while playing – had chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a degenerative brain disease caused by repeated head trauma.
In October 2022, with no brain bank deal on the horizon, Anita Frawley said: “They (the AFL) should just get on with it,” she told Herald Sun. “My girls and I … see this as potentially one of Danny’s greatest legacies as he would want every AFL, AFLW and any football player to have the right to donate their brain to Australian Sports Brain Bank.”
The AFL has also faced embarrassing revelations one of its experts, Dr Paul McCrory, had plagiarised and altered scientificquotes – with the league conceding in 2022 that there had been a “number of inadequacies” with its longstanding research.
 

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From this survey conducted by the AFL earlier this year:

Do you support a wildcard system for finals (ie 7th v 10th and 8th v 9th for the final two spots in the top eight)
No - 75 per cent
Yes - 25 per cent

Good to see the AFL care about fans, and not cash.
There is only one reason the AFL does surveys!!!!
When the survey results match their plans, they come out all holy and humble:
"We have listened to the fans, and given the people what they want!".
When the survey results don't match their plans, the survey gets swept under the rug.

It's exactly the same with governments and protesters.
 
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Plus one of the big downsides is that if a team finishes in the top 4 and wins their qualifying final, they will be going: R23, bye, QF, bye.

I think having 2 byes in 3 weeks could actually be disruptive to a team's rhythm and make them rusty going into the preliminary finals.
 
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Plus one of the big downsides is that if a team finishes in the top 4 and wins their qualifying final, they will be going: R23, bye, QF, bye.

I think having 2 byes in 3 weeks could actually be disruptive to a team's rhythm and make them rusty going into the preliminary finals.
That happens already with the current system. Note I am in the minority and actually support the pre finals bye because I think it provides a better finals series.

The big downside in my view is the effect it has on 7th and 8th. They will have to win an extra final and won’t get a pre finals bye. I don’t support the wildcard concept for this reason.
 
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