2015: Premium Rucks
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Except the 11 herbs and spices are known...
1 teaspoon ground oregano.
1 teaspoon chili powder.
1 teaspoon ground sage.
1 teaspoon dried basil.
1 teaspoon dried marjoram.
1 teaspoon pepper.
2 teaspoons salt.
2 tablespoons paprika.
1 teaspoon onion salt.
1 teaspoon garlic powder.
2 tablespoons Accent (MSG based seasoning).
1 teaspoon ground oregano.
1 teaspoon chili powder.
1 teaspoon ground sage.
1 teaspoon dried basil.
1 teaspoon dried marjoram.
1 teaspoon pepper.
2 teaspoons salt.
2 tablespoons paprika.
1 teaspoon onion salt.
1 teaspoon garlic powder.
2 tablespoons Accent (MSG based seasoning).
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Hey Philzay and IDIG you are both Essendon people can you tell me about Shaun Edwards and Jayden Laverde will they play and TBC how is he tracking and will he be R1 at the bombers , i have Goldy / Luenberger at the moment , should i stay with them or gamble on Nic Nat and say Kreuzer or even TBC , thoughts please
PS. u may not be a KFC expert but you certainly are when it comes to this stuff , imo lol......
PS. u may not be a KFC expert but you certainly are when it comes to this stuff , imo lol......
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Haha I like your analogy!
What part of it do we not know?
We can see what all the stats are worth from field view, and we know that depending on the scoreline, there is a multiplier or divider.
The only thing unknown to me is what the post game scaling is (If it is to get the score to 3300, why do some players go up, and some go down, in the same game?)
The other slightly puzzling thing is the ruck point scoring given to us in the prospectus (Having different averages and calculations different to what would be logical to those on this website).
What part of it do we not know?
We can see what all the stats are worth from field view, and we know that depending on the scoreline, there is a multiplier or divider.
The only thing unknown to me is what the post game scaling is (If it is to get the score to 3300, why do some players go up, and some go down, in the same game?)
The other slightly puzzling thing is the ruck point scoring given to us in the prospectus (Having different averages and calculations different to what would be logical to those on this website).
The below is from the FAQ page on the Supercoach website.
By using Champion Data's comprehensive rankings system of over 50 different stats, player rankings are the most accurate way to determine how effective a player has been.
How Points Are Scored
Stat Description Points Awarded/Deducted
Effective kick 4 Points
Ineffective kick 0 Points
Clanger kick -4 Points
Effective Handball 1.5 Points
Ineffective handball 0 Points
Handball clanger -4 Points
Handball receive 1.5 Point
Hardball get 4.5 Points
Loose-ball get 4.5 Points
Goal 8 Points
Behind 1 Point
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession) 2 Points
Mark contested (maintaining possession) 6 Points
Mark uncontested (from opposition) 4 Points
Mark contested (from opposition) 8 Points
Tackles 4 Points
Free kick for 4 Points
Free kick against -4 Points
Hitout to Advantage 3 Points
Players will also score bonus points for effective disposals, marks and other actions performed in critical parts of the ground, late in matches when the scores are close.
Some scores involve an element of judgement by HWT, News Limited, Vapormedia or their contractors. No correspondence will be entered into regarding the allocation of scores.
They say there are over 50 different stats, yet they don't list them all.
By using Champion Data's comprehensive rankings system of over 50 different stats, player rankings are the most accurate way to determine how effective a player has been.
How Points Are Scored
Stat Description Points Awarded/Deducted
Effective kick 4 Points
Ineffective kick 0 Points
Clanger kick -4 Points
Effective Handball 1.5 Points
Ineffective handball 0 Points
Handball clanger -4 Points
Handball receive 1.5 Point
Hardball get 4.5 Points
Loose-ball get 4.5 Points
Goal 8 Points
Behind 1 Point
Mark uncontested (maintaining possession) 2 Points
Mark contested (maintaining possession) 6 Points
Mark uncontested (from opposition) 4 Points
Mark contested (from opposition) 8 Points
Tackles 4 Points
Free kick for 4 Points
Free kick against -4 Points
Hitout to Advantage 3 Points
Players will also score bonus points for effective disposals, marks and other actions performed in critical parts of the ground, late in matches when the scores are close.
Some scores involve an element of judgement by HWT, News Limited, Vapormedia or their contractors. No correspondence will be entered into regarding the allocation of scores.
They say there are over 50 different stats, yet they don't list them all.
TBC - Finally injury free and training well. It should be noted he has spent a fair bit of time at training as a key forward. My instincts are telling me Hird plans to play both ruckman, which may mean both Giles and TBC may be given the red vest a few times.
Laverde - I think he will be given some games this year. How many and when are the big questions. We will have a better idea after the Nab Cup.
Edwards - I think there are too many ahead of him atm. He is an inconsistent player atm. He will have a flash of brilliance followed up by some ordinary footy. He is currently working on his tank too. He would need to have a ripper of a Nab Cup to have a chance of playing Round 1 IMO.
Laverde - I think he will be given some games this year. How many and when are the big questions. We will have a better idea after the Nab Cup.
Edwards - I think there are too many ahead of him atm. He is an inconsistent player atm. He will have a flash of brilliance followed up by some ordinary footy. He is currently working on his tank too. He would need to have a ripper of a Nab Cup to have a chance of playing Round 1 IMO.
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Wow 50 that is a lot!
According to field view, these are the correct points awarded (without weighting).
Effective Kick +3
Ineffective Kick 0
Kick Backwards +1
Kick in +1
Long Kick to advantage +3 (adds on to the +3 for effective kick to be +6)
Clanger Kick -2
Effective Handball +1
Ineffective Handball 0
Clanger Handball -2
Loose Ball Get +3
Hard Ball Get +3
Gather +1
Gather from Hitout +1 (Was +2 last year)
Handball Receive +1
Uncontested Mark from teammate +1
Uncontested Mark from opposition +2
Contested Mark from teammate +5
Contested Mark from opposition +6
Tackle ? (Doesn't come up on field view, but I suspect it is +3)
Hitout 0 (Was +1 last year)
Hitout to Advantage +5 (Was +3 last year)
Free Kick +3
Free Kick against -3
Goal +6
Behind +1
Goal Assist +3
Contested Knock-On +3
Smother/Spoil ? (Doesn't come up on field view, probably +3 if effective)
That's all I can remember, and that's only about 25 :/
Not sure where they get 50 from. I think maybe kicks can be anything from 2 to 4 depending on where they are. There must be a few others that we don't know.
Anfa and Philzay, it is certainly more of a mystery than the 11 'secret' spices!
According to field view, these are the correct points awarded (without weighting).
Effective Kick +3
Ineffective Kick 0
Kick Backwards +1
Kick in +1
Long Kick to advantage +3 (adds on to the +3 for effective kick to be +6)
Clanger Kick -2
Effective Handball +1
Ineffective Handball 0
Clanger Handball -2
Loose Ball Get +3
Hard Ball Get +3
Gather +1
Gather from Hitout +1 (Was +2 last year)
Handball Receive +1
Uncontested Mark from teammate +1
Uncontested Mark from opposition +2
Contested Mark from teammate +5
Contested Mark from opposition +6
Tackle ? (Doesn't come up on field view, but I suspect it is +3)
Hitout 0 (Was +1 last year)
Hitout to Advantage +5 (Was +3 last year)
Free Kick +3
Free Kick against -3
Goal +6
Behind +1
Goal Assist +3
Contested Knock-On +3
Smother/Spoil ? (Doesn't come up on field view, probably +3 if effective)
That's all I can remember, and that's only about 25 :/
Not sure where they get 50 from. I think maybe kicks can be anything from 2 to 4 depending on where they are. There must be a few others that we don't know.
Anfa and Philzay, it is certainly more of a mystery than the 11 'secret' spices!
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Yeah it's surprising that loose ball gets receive the same points. But I guess they want to reward players who run hard enough to get the ball themselves in space. A gather is only +1 so it still rewards the player who wins the ball himself.
Field view is on superfooty live HQ. http://live-footy.heraldsun.com.au/FieldView/Index/20142720140142701
If you watch it live, it tells you every stat and how many points each player gets.
Field view is on superfooty live HQ. http://live-footy.heraldsun.com.au/FieldView/Index/20142720140142701
If you watch it live, it tells you every stat and how many points each player gets.
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I think R1/R2 is the toughest decision that we have for our sides this year. There's no right or wrong way of going about it and every combo has their pros and cons.
I have had all of Goldy, Maric, Nic Nat, Kreuzer and Leuey as either R1 or R2 at some stage and the current setup that I have is in no way locked in.
I still believe that with whichever combo you choose it's important to have a RUC/FWD link unless you're prepared to burn through trades.
The new ruck rules will result in the mean average for ruckman dropping considerably but I think it is just a very small part of the puzzle and I wouldn't focus too much on it to be honest. Yes players like Sauce and Mumford will most likely have a steep drop in average/price and Goldy might stay around the same average/price but it may not be worth picking up Kreuzer and/or Leuey just because it's likely that they will increase in price. I don't think either Kreuzer or Leuey will be keepers so keep that in mind if you are deciding to start with them. If you're ok with that then go for it.
The other key thing to remember is that if you go with either Leuey or Kreuzer or both then if either of them get injured and they haven't yet made much money then you are going to find it extremely difficult to afford a decent replacement. I think it's ok to go for one of them as long as you have a RUC/FWD link but I think going with both of them is playing with fire and has the potential to completely derail your season.
I have had all of Goldy, Maric, Nic Nat, Kreuzer and Leuey as either R1 or R2 at some stage and the current setup that I have is in no way locked in.
I still believe that with whichever combo you choose it's important to have a RUC/FWD link unless you're prepared to burn through trades.
The new ruck rules will result in the mean average for ruckman dropping considerably but I think it is just a very small part of the puzzle and I wouldn't focus too much on it to be honest. Yes players like Sauce and Mumford will most likely have a steep drop in average/price and Goldy might stay around the same average/price but it may not be worth picking up Kreuzer and/or Leuey just because it's likely that they will increase in price. I don't think either Kreuzer or Leuey will be keepers so keep that in mind if you are deciding to start with them. If you're ok with that then go for it.
The other key thing to remember is that if you go with either Leuey or Kreuzer or both then if either of them get injured and they haven't yet made much money then you are going to find it extremely difficult to afford a decent replacement. I think it's ok to go for one of them as long as you have a RUC/FWD link but I think going with both of them is playing with fire and has the potential to completely derail your season.
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The poll at the start of this thread shows that the majority of respondents will be picking NicNat however I don't think there has been much discussion on this thread assessing his pros and cons. I'm planning to pick him and hope he wll be a keeper (top 4?). I know plenty are considering Kruz or Berger, but I am interested to know whether people think NicNat is a keeper lock or whether there are any concerns.
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I was thinking along the same lines as well. To me he seems an out and out Lock. Proven huge scorer, cox retirement will almost definatley increase his scores.
I'm going with Goldy and NicNat as they seem to represent the most value as keepers.
i can't see Kreuzer (will play up forward) & Lue (in tandem with Martin) average above 90 so your looking at a 100-150k increase at best before buring two trades for a a further 10-15p increase in your rucks.
I suppose with NicNat it's very much wait and see how free moving and injury free he looks in the NAB cup. If he looks OK then he'll be in my team.
I'm going with Goldy and NicNat as they seem to represent the most value as keepers.
i can't see Kreuzer (will play up forward) & Lue (in tandem with Martin) average above 90 so your looking at a 100-150k increase at best before buring two trades for a a further 10-15p increase in your rucks.
I suppose with NicNat it's very much wait and see how free moving and injury free he looks in the NAB cup. If he looks OK then he'll be in my team.
