Position Rate My Team - SC Now Open

[Snowman]

I've always tried to start as many keepers as possible but not this year. Aiming for 11 or 12. I'm thinking that if I'm bad at predicting who the best players will be why would I try and increase my chances of getting it wrong. Some of the expensive cash cows with good job security like Swallow, Sheed, Giles, Selwood have been in and out of my team a lot so far.

Sheed, Giles and Selwood(Scott I presume) all in the one team hey. Hmm.... just be careful with where your heading there freo

 

[Bomber18]

Maybe it just my interpretation of "keepers" which to is really closer to premiums I suppose. I only considered Shaw, Laird, Danger, Gablett, Hanners, Priddis, Rocky, Gawnstein, Barlow and Banjo as keepers in that team. I would never had considered that by starting JJ, Martin and co they would be treated as keepers. To me they were mid priced specs.

Yeah, probably just the interpretation of keeper. I think some of those players around the low $400k mark would be picked as "keepers" ie: Hall or JJ last season. I'd argue even the likes of Sheridan/Lonergan last season would've been picked as keepers (although they got no where near that mark).

This year equivalent players would be Beams, Heeney, Ryder, Hibberd however, I'd say Sandi, Swallow, JOM would be picked as a cash cows.

I've always tried to start as many keepers as possible but not this year. Aiming for 11 or 12. I'm thinking that if I'm bad at predicting who the best players will be why would I try and increase my chances of getting it wrong. Some of the expensive cash cows with good job security like Swallow, Sheed, Giles, Selwood have been in and out of my team a lot so far.

Only Swallow out of that bunch interests me! Scott Selwood might be worth keeping an eye on, reports are that he's having a very good preseason.

 

[freowho]

Sheed, Giles and Selwood(Scott I presume) all in the one team hey. Hmm.... just be careful with where your heading there freo

Thanks Snowman.
I seem to hit this little dark patch in my life every year between xmas and the prospectus arriving in the mail!

No, not all of them in the one team.

 

[freowho]

Only Swallow out of that bunch interests me! Scott Selwood might be worth keeping an eye on, reports are that he's having a very good preseason.

Selwood has some good scoring history but his finals last year were terrible. I'm concerned he might be a run with player. A fit Swallow could be a good pick but will have to be carried through rnd 9. I'm not sure he will fatten enough to cull by that point. I don't know if Giles gets the time on ground he needs to be a good pick. All three are very tempting.
I am warming to Sheed. A bit cheaper, round 12 bye so more time to fatten and trade to a round 11 premo, number 4 in his draft and a very good contested player as a junior. Plus LITS said so.

 

[IDIG]

I am interested that so many coaches aim for 13 or 14 "keepers". Last year the winner started only 11 of what you would call likely keepers and that included Barlow and the Banjo Player who had serious questions around them as "keepers". And in the past other winners have had similar numbers below 13 or 14. Is it really critical to push for that higher number at the start? I am also reminded of Impromptu's experiment when he started with a mid combination full of rookies.

Nope, you got me. Who's the Banjo Player?

 

[KLo30]

Nope, you got me. Who's the Banjo Player?

I believe he is referring to Deliverance, and thus, Mitch Robinson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

 

[IDIG]

I believe he is referring to Deliverance, and thus, Mitch Robinson.

Having the weirdest case of dejavu so i reckon i've asked this question before haha

 

[Bomber18]

Selwood has some good scoring history but his finals last year were terrible. I'm concerned he might be a run with player. A fit Swallow could be a good pick but will have to be carried through rnd 9. I'm not sure he will fatten enough to cull by that point. I don't know if Giles gets the time on ground he needs to be a good pick. All three are very tempting.
I am warming to Sheed. A bit cheaper, round 12 bye so more time to fatten and trade to a round 11 premo, number 4 in his draft and a very good contested player as a junior. Plus LITS said so.

I"m not sure of what his exact price will be but surely a 95-100 average makes $150k after 6 price rises? Swallow to Joel Selwood in R9 might be a viable route. Selwood plays at SS in R9, 10 & 11.

 

[Hondo]

I am interested that so many coaches aim for 13 or 14 "keepers". Last year the winner started only 11 of what you would call likely keepers and that included Barlow and the Banjo Player who had serious questions around them as "keepers". And in the past other winners have had similar numbers below 13 or 14. Is it really critical to push for that higher number at the start? I am also reminded of Impromptu's experiment when he started with a mid combination full of rookies.

I'll chime in too

Each year is different in terms of what's on the table but my experience is 13-14 "keepers" is a good target. Any less and you are likely heading into mid-priced madness territory. You do have to watch out for interpretations of "keeper" because we all tend to have slightly different views on that and the resulting debates on definitions, while interesting for some, can distract from the SC discussion.

So in my mind last year Wells was a keeper (massively cheap) rather than a rookie despite his price tag. Others will say at $200K he's a rookie because he is rookie priced. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day.

I also look at it in terms of number of on-field rookies excluding injury discounted bargains like Wells last year. The attempted discipline being that everyone else is a keeper or a bye/late-season luxury upgrade. That said, usually a couple of mid-pricers sneak in like Libba last year.

 

[stephen]

I"m not sure of what his exact price will be but surely a 95-100 average makes $150k after 6 price rises? Swallow to Joel Selwood in R9 might be a viable route. Selwood plays at SS in R9, 10 & 11.

Yeah I have him rising by approx $160k (so at ~$440k) by RD9 with a 95 ave. I reckon that's enough to make him a good pick, assuming a ton of appealing mid rookies don't show up.

 

[jaca]

I'm a fair way from picking a side, but this is where I stand in early January 2017...


D: Monty, Rance, Adams, McGrath, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Stewart)
M: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Bont, TMitchell, Beams, Foote, Myers (Berry, Powell-Pepper, Pickett)
R: Goldy, Sandi (Witts)
F: Dahl, Macrae, Bennell, McCluggage, White, Ainsworth (Black, Rioli)

A few comments:

Rookies
Some thought and consideration, and an aim to pick a few of the more expensive rookies in play. Clearly if I can replace e.g. McGrath/Foote/Etc with a 123k equivalent I would do. I will have a FD somewhere, so that will change things too.

Defence
I'm skewing back towards a 3 man DEF even though it's a line that I like a lot of players on. I like Shaw but as many have pointed he had a bad end to last season. I feel I could swap Adams, Hodge and Laird with little difference in output, which is why I'm drawn back to Hodge at times.

Mids
Danger, Fyfe, Bont and Titch have been in throughout. I love Pendles' dependability and hate Beams' (much as I like him as a player), so I'm often tempted to switch these around. 6 feels a bit deep, but the way I see it is Fyfe should cost what Danger does so there is value there. Round 12 bye makes Selwood interesting too, though I expect Robbie Gray to be in my team by then. Probably replacing an injured Beams

Ruck
I think Sandi is ridiculous value. I'm not under the illusion he plays all year, but I think Freo will be much better than last year (I know, I'm such an AFL guru...). Aim to get in Gawn I guess, unless something at Norf looks fishy in which case I'll have a rethink preseason. Same goes re: Witts' role at GC.

Fwds
Dahl and Macrae are the only ones I'm sure of. Heeney I do like, but he's a round 11 bye (Dahl, Macrae, Heeney + Mcluggage just screams round 11 donut to me). Bennell is clearly a "let's see preseason". I'd be lying if I really think he'll start R1, but he's great value if fit...

 

[jarrad_]

Selwood has some good scoring history but his finals last year were terrible. I'm concerned he might be a run with player. A fit Swallow could be a good pick but will have to be carried through rnd 9. I'm not sure he will fatten enough to cull by that point. I don't know if Giles gets the time on ground he needs to be a good pick. All three are very tempting.
I am warming to Sheed. A bit cheaper, round 12 bye so more time to fatten and trade to a round 11 premo, number 4 in his draft and a very good contested player as a junior. Plus LITS said so.

how wont he? they will only have him for the first 3? months or so which is all you would need him for and would hopefully be able to trade him whoever is better out of grundy or goldstein

 

[Bomber18]

I'm a fair way from picking a side, but this is where I stand in early January 2017...

D: Monty, Rance, Adams, McGrath, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Stewart)
M: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Bont, TMitchell, Beams, Foote, Myers (Berry, Powell-Pepper, Pickett)
R: Goldy, Sandi (Witts)
F: Dahl, Macrae, Bennell, McCluggage, White, Ainsworth (Black, Rioli)

A few comments:

Rookies
Some thought and consideration, and an aim to pick a few of the more expensive rookies in play. Clearly if I can replace e.g. McGrath/Foote/Etc with a 123k equivalent I would do. I will have a FD somewhere, so that will change things too.

Defence
I'm skewing back towards a 3 man DEF even though it's a line that I like a lot of players on. I like Shaw but as many have pointed he had a bad end to last season. I feel I could swap Adams, Hodge and Laird with little difference in output, which is why I'm drawn back to Hodge at times.

Mids
Danger, Fyfe, Bont and Titch have been in throughout. I love Pendles' dependability and hate Beams' (much as I like him as a player), so I'm often tempted to switch these around. 6 feels a bit deep, but the way I see it is Fyfe should cost what Danger does so there is value there. Round 12 bye makes Selwood interesting too, though I expect Robbie Gray to be in my team by then. Probably replacing an injured Beams

Ruck
I think Sandi is ridiculous value. I'm not under the illusion he plays all year, but I think Freo will be much better than last year (I know, I'm such an AFL guru...). Aim to get in Gawn I guess, unless something at Norf looks fishy in which case I'll have a rethink preseason. Same goes re: Witts' role at GC.

Fwds
Dahl and Macrae are the only ones I'm sure of. Heeney I do like, but he's a round 11 bye (Dahl, Macrae, Heeney + Mcluggage just screams round 11 donut to me). Bennell is clearly a "let's see preseason". I'd be lying if I really think he'll start R1, but he's great value if fit...

Pretty solid side with a similar structure to myself. You've done well to spread the cash to make sure every position is generating cash but you have lost the captain loophole option as a result.
A lot to play out still on whether we go Witts at R3. I wonder if we'll have a Petracca style rookie this season who we can use as our FD early and trust to get games later in the season. If so, you could easily trade Witts to Strndica later on to generate cash and keep the captain loophole.

Out of your selections, Monty the main one I don't really like as a starting pick. From what I've read, there's a bit of uncertainty on his role and spot in the team. His draw early is also not the best so I think all signs point to targeting him after the bye. Titchell I'm a bit iffy on personally but understand the pick. Bennell is a big watch in the preseason. All it will take for me is one preseason game. I don't think the R11 bye issue with Heeney is enough to avoid him. Easily fixed with rotating a R11 F/M into the mids and McCluggage could be cashed out before the byes.

 

[freowho]

how wont he? they will only have him for the first 3? months or so which is all you would need him for and would hopefully be able to trade him whoever is better out of grundy or goldstein

Even after Lycett went down in the elimination final Giles still only managed 67% time on ground. West Coast tend to follow the Hawks line of thinking with 2 ruckman rotating off the bench as much as elsewhere on the ground and struggling to get more than 75% time on ground. Giles will make money and if Sandi and Witts weren't available he would be a stronger consideration. I think he is a borderline pick that might be a bit underwhelming. Lobbe and Leuenberger come to mind.

 

[jaca]

Good points, Bomber. I'll 100% have a loophole, maybe at R3 or possible an Ueber style.

Agree on Monty too, Laird was my 1st picked defender but Bye and history pulled me away. If I can derisk my mid/fwds, Hodge is a likely option too.

 

[Bomber18]

Good points, Bomber. I'll 100% have a loophole, maybe at R3 or possible an Ueber style.

Agree on Monty too, Laird was my 1st picked defender but Bye and history pulled me away. If I can derisk my mid/fwds, Hodge is a likely option too.

No worries.

On Laird, the crows have the best draw of all sides until the byes where they play a lot of bottom 6 sides & games at home. His injury troubles are not soft tissue related so I think there's less risk with him. You need at least 2 R13 bye defenders so I think Laird's worth picking for one of those spots. Shaw or Adams could take the other spot. Potentially you could use Adams' D/M to rotate him into the mids and pick all 3.

 

[jarrad_]

Even after Lycett went down in the elimination final Giles still only managed 67% time on ground. West Coast tend to follow the Hawks line of thinking with 2 ruckman rotating off the bench as much as elsewhere on the ground and struggling to get more than 75% time on ground. Giles will make money and if Sandi and Witts weren't available he would be a stronger consideration. I think he is a borderline pick that might be a bit underwhelming. Lobbe and Leuenberger come to mind.

he also got 123 from 73% against jacobs who is a much better ruck than roughead

 

[Darkie]

I'm a fair way from picking a side, but this is where I stand in early January 2017...


D: Monty, Rance, Adams, McGrath, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Stewart)
M: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Bont, TMitchell, Beams, Foote, Myers (Berry, Powell-Pepper, Pickett)
R: Goldy, Sandi (Witts)
F: Dahl, Macrae, Bennell, McCluggage, White, Ainsworth (Black, Rioli)

A few comments:

Rookies
Some thought and consideration, and an aim to pick a few of the more expensive rookies in play. Clearly if I can replace e.g. McGrath/Foote/Etc with a 123k equivalent I would do. I will have a FD somewhere, so that will change things too.

Defence
I'm skewing back towards a 3 man DEF even though it's a line that I like a lot of players on. I like Shaw but as many have pointed he had a bad end to last season. I feel I could swap Adams, Hodge and Laird with little difference in output, which is why I'm drawn back to Hodge at times.

Mids
Danger, Fyfe, Bont and Titch have been in throughout. I love Pendles' dependability and hate Beams' (much as I like him as a player), so I'm often tempted to switch these around. 6 feels a bit deep, but the way I see it is Fyfe should cost what Danger does so there is value there. Round 12 bye makes Selwood interesting too, though I expect Robbie Gray to be in my team by then. Probably replacing an injured Beams

Ruck
I think Sandi is ridiculous value. I'm not under the illusion he plays all year, but I think Freo will be much better than last year (I know, I'm such an AFL guru...). Aim to get in Gawn I guess, unless something at Norf looks fishy in which case I'll have a rethink preseason. Same goes re: Witts' role at GC.

Fwds
Dahl and Macrae are the only ones I'm sure of. Heeney I do like, but he's a round 11 bye (Dahl, Macrae, Heeney + Mcluggage just screams round 11 donut to me). Bennell is clearly a "let's see preseason". I'd be lying if I really think he'll start R1, but he's great value if fit...

I like it Jaca. A few thoughts:

- I recently restructured my side and have (for now!) settled on the structure you have used. We even have similar priced rookies in almost every spot. We also share 10 non-rookie picks.

- I've gone light down back because I like, but don't love, a lot of the defenders (in particular, few of them look cheap - they feel like picks where you simply get what you pay for) and gone light up forward because I don't see four I like as much as my M5.

- We've even taken similar amounts of injury and speculative risk as I see it. I've taken extra injury risk in the mids relative to you, but have also gone for more proven options there as an o***et. F3 is probably the other way around.

- I think so long as we don't have a large number of really appealing mid only rookies, this structure makes sense. The top mids are usually most predictable, the defs very unpredictable, and this year they've taken almost all the good M-Fs, so I see it as more like the defs usually are. There's some good value to be had in the mids as well. I've gone for discounted proven options (Rocky and maybe Selwood) whereas you've gone for better role/natural improvement (Titch and Bont), which appeals slightly less to me, but is perfectly valid as I see it.

- I agree with a lot of Bomber's comment on your side. Personally I've added, and then removed, Witts at R3. If cash cows look terrible elsewhere, or if I want cover for Sandi and don't go with Ryder, I'll potentially pick Witts. Otherwise, I think another rookie can serve his cash generation purpose without tying up unnecessary cash on the bench.

Given the similarities, I would like to think (and I do think) you are on the right track.

I'm interested to see any additional feedback on your side, given how similar our structure and many of our picks are.

Good luck!

 

[Manikato1]

I believe he is referring to Deliverance, and thus, Mitch Robinson.

KLo30 gets the cigar.

Each year is different in terms of what's on the table but my experience is 13-14 "keepers" is a good target. Any less and you are likely heading into mid-priced madness territory. You do have to watch out for interpretations of "keeper" because we all tend to have slightly different views on that and the resulting debates on definitions, while interesting for some, can distract from the SC discussion.

So in my mind last year Wells was a keeper (massively cheap) rather than a rookie despite his price tag. Others will say at $200K he's a rookie because he is rookie priced. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day.

Yes it has become clear it is a case of personal interpretation. Wells for me wasn't a rookie, a keeper or a lock. Just a definite starter in your team for those that liked him. After starting him anything could have happened and I think most coaches had prepared for that possibility in the back of their mind.

On Giles FYI Ch 7 reporting tonight that WCE hope to have NicNat back by rd 16. Did light jogging etc on it for the first time today. if you are a Giles fan you probably have moved him on by then ...unless he is pumping out tons every week.

 

[Dimmawit]

I'm a fair way from picking a side, but this is where I stand in early January 2017...


D: Monty, Rance, Adams, McGrath, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Stewart)
M: Danger, Pendles, Fyfe, Bont, TMitchell, Beams, Foote, Myers (Berry, Powell-Pepper, Pickett)
R: Goldy, Sandi (Witts)
F: Dahl, Macrae, Bennell, McCluggage, White, Ainsworth (Black, Rioli)

A few comments:

Rookies
Some thought and consideration, and an aim to pick a few of the more expensive rookies in play. Clearly if I can replace e.g. McGrath/Foote/Etc with a 123k equivalent I would do. I will have a FD somewhere, so that will change things too.

Defence
I'm skewing back towards a 3 man DEF even though it's a line that I like a lot of players on. I like Shaw but as many have pointed he had a bad end to last season. I feel I could swap Adams, Hodge and Laird with little difference in output, which is why I'm drawn back to Hodge at times.

Mids
Danger, Fyfe, Bont and Titch have been in throughout. I love Pendles' dependability and hate Beams' (much as I like him as a player), so I'm often tempted to switch these around. 6 feels a bit deep, but the way I see it is Fyfe should cost what Danger does so there is value there. Round 12 bye makes Selwood interesting too, though I expect Robbie Gray to be in my team by then. Probably replacing an injured Beams

Ruck
I think Sandi is ridiculous value. I'm not under the illusion he plays all year, but I think Freo will be much better than last year (I know, I'm such an AFL guru...). Aim to get in Gawn I guess, unless something at Norf looks fishy in which case I'll have a rethink preseason. Same goes re: Witts' role at GC.

Fwds
Dahl and Macrae are the only ones I'm sure of. Heeney I do like, but he's a round 11 bye (Dahl, Macrae, Heeney + Mcluggage just screams round 11 donut to me). Bennell is clearly a "let's see preseason". I'd be lying if I really think he'll start R1, but he's great value if fit...

I'm another with a similar structure. Until we have more info on a few key selections + rookies I think it will be hard to justify a move away from this.
My only comments

Defence - I have this structure as well but have chosen 2 different Def premos. Remain skeptical on McGrath until I can see him play. Downgrading him releases a nice wad of cash!
Mids - Replace Bont and Titch and our premos are same. Talk of Treloar v Pendles has had me waiver but Jelwood is also a candidate for that slot. Also skipping Swallow, Jom and SSelwood at this point. Foote is intersting at his price subject to role.
Fwds - I think in this version you are a bit light from F3. Granted the rookies could well prove me wrong however at this stage I think a more certain keeper at F3 is worth looking for.
Rucks - I think Witts at R3 is a very solid selction if he plays. If he is selected R1 I think Sandi coaches should 110% pick him. Goldy vs Gawn is an interesting conundrum. I've got Gawn

I think this structure will be extremely popular as the season draws in - no surprises a lot of us are liking it