Position Forwards Discussion

Which forwards will you be starting outside of Danger/Heeney? (new poll 4/3/19)

  • Gray $526k

    Votes: 11 8.6%
  • Mundy $521k

    Votes: 17 13.3%
  • Menegola $543k

    Votes: 18 14.1%
  • McLean $514k

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • Kelly $506k

    Votes: 28 21.9%
  • Boak $477k

    Votes: 11 8.6%
  • Billings $438k

    Votes: 29 22.7%
  • Gresham $430k

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Worpel $396k

    Votes: 20 15.6%
  • Greene $354k

    Votes: 33 25.8%

  • Total voters
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Given forward rookies are usually rubbish and aside from the midfielders listed as forwards, none of the premos really jump out at their price, I'm looking for one/maybe two stepping stone 200k-400k type players as standby options for F4/5 if the rookies don't show up.

Last year I had Hogan F5 ($383k, made 100k by Round 5) and almost started Dunkley at F6 ($296k, averaged 95.1 for the season).
There was also Jed Anderson ($258k) who made it to $461k by round 11 averaging 86.5 before getting injured and to a lesser extent, Zac Fisher (263k, made 120k by round 8 averaging 83 to that point).

It would seem we're looking for injury discounted players who can go big or low-priced young mids listed as forwards. Any smokeys this year, apart from the obvious types (JJK perhaps just fits the category)?

Anyone got info on VandenBerg maybe?
Agree in terms of what to look for.

Greene and Daniher seem to be popular names for consideration, I think both with interrupted pre seasons potentially.

Westhoff also has some ruck cover value to consider if you haven’t already.

F6 could be a floating donut if it’s a real struggle? Would be much better at M11 or elsewhere, but if you’re short of options, at least getting some value out of the spot might be a way to play it. Can move them to M11 in a few rounds potentially.
 
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Agree in terms of what to look for.

Greene and Daniher seem to be popular names for consideration, I think both with interrupted pre seasons potentially.

Westhoff also has some ruck cover value to consider if you haven’t already.

F6 could be a floating donut if it’s a real struggle? Would be much better at M11 or elsewhere, but if you’re short of options, at least getting some value out of the spot might be a way to play it. Can move them to M11 in a few rounds potentially.
I’ve never been very interested in Greene, but just noticed he is priced at $354k and figure he might be able to play a role at around F4/5. Do you (or anyone else) know what his current injury / recovery status is?
 
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Danger and Heeney are obvious, Devon Smith if i can afford is probably in too.
Other than that its wide open at this point. Very difficult to get these mid priced picks to play a perfect role early as well. But i love this part, trying to pick a few cheap early break outs ?

We can't really lock in any Greene's or Daniher's untill the season nears. Fitness is massive in supercoach. But if Toby Greene looks fit he is in my team.
 

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I’ve never been very interested in Greene, but just noticed he is priced at $354k and figure he might be able to play a role at around F4/5. Do you (or anyone else) know what his current injury / recovery status is?
See post 757 from Bermi here - in a moon boot:

https://supercoachscores.com/thread...me-change-discussion.3866/page-38#post-431815

As it turns out the new search functionality is excellent, so you can also see snippets of conversation on him using that :)

My view is that he’s not quite cheap enough/reliable enough/a high enough scorer to warrant a spot, although he’s not far off and at one point I thought he was a lock. He might suit for what you’re looking for.
 

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Do year on year list/personnel fitness changes help or hurt Robbie Gray?

He’s one year older than last year, but presumably having longer to recover after his cancer bout must be a positive. Don’t think I’ve seen him in anyone’s side.
 
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Do year on year list/personnel fitness changes help or hurt Robbie Gray?

He’s one year older than last year, but presumably having longer to recover after his cancer bout must be a positive. Don’t think I’ve seen him in anyone’s side.
Robbie started off last year like a house on fire, but then dropped off after that. I thought this was due to role change rather than fitness, but maybe fitness had something to do with the role change (?) His big scores show that he is still very capable / viable when “played right”
 
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Given forward rookies are usually rubbish and aside from the midfielders listed as forwards, none of the premos really jump out at their price, I'm looking for one/maybe two stepping stone 200k-400k type players as standby options for F4/5 if the rookies don't show up...……...
Before the draft, some rated Rankine as the top draft pick. But since Carlton picked Walsh first, a lot of the media attention has gone to Walsh and Rankine a bit forgotten. If people reckon that Walsh is a good selection in the midfield, then maybe Rankine might be a better selection as a forward, as there seems to be a bit of indecision selecting cheap forwards and Rankine is a forward.
And it looks like he is likely to play round 1.

FWD GCS Rankine $198,300

4/Jul/2018 BigRuss said "...…. Rankine ……..By far the best underager I’ve ever seen play the game. It’s not even close to second."

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...s/news-story/b9af3ddea93b91913ca9d29a4e1fc105
Champion Data believes Rankine is the best player available in this year’s draft, rating the South Australian forward above several other young guns in its official top 30 mock.
Champion Data rewarded Rankine for his fine form, not just this year but throughout the past two years, making him its official Pick 1 ahead of the likes of Walsh, Jack Lukosius, Max King and Bailey Smith...……..foxfooty.com.au says: Many thought Rankine could’ve been playing senior AFL footy during his 17th year. He has Breust-like numbers, but he moves like Andrew McLeod and has incredible goal sense and explosive speed.

https://dreamteamtalk.com/2018/11/27/afl-draftees-to-watch-forwards/
……...Rankine is ready to play senior football at the Gold Coast, where he will certainly be given an early opportunity to make an impression early...…..
 
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Before the draft, some rated Rankine as the top draft pick. But since Carlton picked Walsh first, a lot of the media attention has gone to Walsh and Rankine a bit forgotten. If people reckon that Walsh is a good selection in the midfield, then maybe Rankine might be a better selection as a forward, as there seems to be a bit of indecision selecting cheap forwards and Rankine is a forward.
And it looks like he is likely to play round 1.

FWD GCS Rankine $198,300

4/Jul/2018 BigRuss said "...…. Rankine ……..By far the best underager I’ve ever seen play the game. It’s not even close to second."

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...s/news-story/b9af3ddea93b91913ca9d29a4e1fc105
Champion Data believes Rankine is the best player available in this year’s draft, rating the South Australian forward above several other young guns in its official top 30 mock.
Champion Data rewarded Rankine for his fine form, not just this year but throughout the past two years, making him its official Pick 1 ahead of the likes of Walsh, Jack Lukosius, Max King and Bailey Smith...……..foxfooty.com.au says: Many thought Rankine could’ve been playing senior AFL footy during his 17th year. He has Breust-like numbers, but he moves like Andrew McLeod and has incredible goal sense and explosive speed.

https://dreamteamtalk.com/2018/11/27/afl-draftees-to-watch-forwards/
……...Rankine is ready to play senior football at the Gold Coast, where he will certainly be given an early opportunity to make an impression early...…..
The knock on him other than price/playing up forward for GC is that the DT article says he is not a tackler, I personally like my rookies to tackle.
 
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The knock on him other than price/playing up forward for GC is that the DT article says he is not a tackler, I personally like my rookies to tackle.
Agree that a rookie tackling is good, but there are other ways to score SC pts.

The DT article also says that Rankine hits the scoreboard frequently and can win his own ball in tight.
I'm not confident GSC will be scoring many goals, but I do like that Rankine can win a contested ball. I also like what FoxFooty said that Rankine could have played AFL in his 17th year, which tells me he is AFL ready. I don't know how ready Walsh is for AFL?

I'm suggesting that if 2 high priced rookies are too much for someone's team, then perhaps select Rankine over Walsh. There are a lot more choices to select Midfielders from then there are to select forwards.

I don't know the stats, but I haven't read that Walsh is a tackler either, maybe he is?
 

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Agree that a rookie tackling is good, but there are other ways to score SC pts.

The DT article also says that Rankine hits the scoreboard frequently and can win his own ball in tight.
I'm not confident GSC will be scoring many goals, but I do like that Rankine can win a contested ball. I also like what FoxFooty said that Rankine could have played AFL in his 17th year, which tells me he is AFL ready. I don't know how ready Walsh is for AFL?

I'm suggesting that if 2 high priced rookies are too much for someone's team, then perhaps select Rankine over Walsh. There are a lot more choices to select Midfielders from then there are to select forwards.

I don't know the stats, but I haven't read that Walsh is a tackler either, maybe he is?
I'm not sure about these calls that Walsh isn't much of a tackler. I watched him in a Metro vs. Contry game this year at the MCG, he had his 35 and a goal or two, and whilst you wouldn't necessarily notice it, when I checked the stats after the game he'd had 8 or 9 tackles from memory.

Just had a look at his TAC Cup stats, he averaged 4.9 tackles a game. Obviously it'll be a step up against fully grown blokes but the intent to tackle appears to be there.
 
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I won't be selecting Rankine at his price but don't doubt he has ability. The other issue I have is the opportunities he will get. If he were in a settled team with a midfield structure that can deliver the ball into the forward line and a forward structure that allowed him to be the 3rd or 4th Fwd then his chances of getting a reasonable score on a regular basis would be much higher than at Gold Coast. How will the GC fwd line look this year? Would he get mid time given that Dew said he wanted to get mature aged players in the mids (Miles) to take the pressure off the kids? Don't doubt his ability but I am doubting GC ability to use it at the moment to maximum potential.
 

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Hope Billings' burnman status keeps him as unpopular as he seems now. Think he'd be considered a bit of a no-brainer for that f3 spot if not for that.
He's not ruled out for me! I need another "Devon Smith" type pick - low 400k keeper. T.Lynch taking up that spot for the time being.
 
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I'm not sure about these calls that Walsh isn't much of a tackler. I watched him in a Metro vs. Contry game this year at the MCG, he had his 35 and a goal or two, and whilst you wouldn't necessarily notice it, when I checked the stats after the game he'd had 8 or 9 tackles from memory.

Just had a look at his TAC Cup stats, he averaged 4.9 tackles a game. Obviously it'll be a step up against fully grown blokes but the intent to tackle appears to be there.
Just to clarify, I haven't read anywhere what is Walsh's tackling stats, so I said I was unsure.
Good that you clarified that.
 
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Hope Billings' burnman status keeps him as unpopular as he seems now. Think he'd be considered a bit of a no-brainer for that f3 spot if not for that.
He's not ruled out for me! I need another "Devon Smith" type pick - low 400k keeper. T.Lynch taking up that spot for the time being.
I just don't know... after averaging 92 in 2007 we all thought he'd be pushing towards 100. Instead he averaged 80 in a Saints team that went backwards. If he's going to bounce back, which I think he will a little, what do his backers think he'll make? Perhaps low 90s again (?), which neither makes much money nor is a top forward :/

Even in his best year of 2017 he'd run hot for a few weeks over 100 then pull out 3 or 4 60-80 scores to drag his average back, a trend I'm not sure if he's able to shake yet.
 
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There is a quote floating around from Wingard himself in which he says Clarko told him he would be playing that forward role mainly at the Hawks as he has done at Port, straight from his own mouth.
I still think with the amount of forward depth they have and the lack of high level inside mids will means he will still play some time in the midfield.
 
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I just don't know... after averaging 92 in 2007 we all thought he'd be pushing towards 100. Instead he averaged 80 in a Saints team that went backwards. If he's going to bounce back, which I think he will a little, what do his backers think he'll make? Perhaps low 90s again (?), which neither makes much money nor is a top forward :/

Even in his best year of 2017 he'd run hot for a few weeks over 100 then pull out 3 or 4 60-80 scores to drag his average back, a trend I'm not sure if he's able to shake yet.
Agree I just think inconsistency and downhill skiing is part of his make up as a player and I don't trust him. He is only really decent on the outside of the contest and needs to be fed the ball.
 
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