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Greene at 395k just seems risky though he really needs to average 95-100 to be worth it given his history and risk of suspension/injury
I know he had an injury affected season last year but he has scored 1 100 in his last 16 matches dating back to the middle of the 2017 season. That’s very worrying for a 400k player who already has question marks over his proneness to getting suspended or being injured.
Another thing to note is his high scoring history in the past was when he was playing midfield, along with being a small forward in a team which had the best midfield in the comp and were ticking along as an elite team during the regular seasons. They don’t look like that team anymore and losing quite a few good kicks to deliver the ball to him since then; Wilson, Scully and Shiel will effect his scores too imo.
He averaged 90 in 2016 which you’d want more out of this year at his price and what you’re selecting him for. He averaged 96 in 2017 but only played 16 games and ended with no score over 90 in his last 8 games.
He had 5 scores over 100 of which 4 were against bottom 6 sides that year showing he does rely on being in a very strong side in big wins which may not be the case often this year for GWS.
There’s also a big worry over the fact he gives free kicks, 50 metre penalties and has an awful DE which all are crucial elements of being a no for SC.
He’d get a look in if I was doing DT but not SC this year, It’s a no for me unless he looks unbelievable in JLT 2 and even then it would only put him into a consideration area not a lock or anything.
I know he had an injury affected season last year but he has scored 1 100 in his last 16 matches dating back to the middle of the 2017 season. That’s very worrying for a 400k player who already has question marks over his proneness to getting suspended or being injured.
Another thing to note is his high scoring history in the past was when he was playing midfield, along with being a small forward in a team which had the best midfield in the comp and were ticking along as an elite team during the regular seasons. They don’t look like that team anymore and losing quite a few good kicks to deliver the ball to him since then; Wilson, Scully and Shiel will effect his scores too imo.
He averaged 90 in 2016 which you’d want more out of this year at his price and what you’re selecting him for. He averaged 96 in 2017 but only played 16 games and ended with no score over 90 in his last 8 games.
He had 5 scores over 100 of which 4 were against bottom 6 sides that year showing he does rely on being in a very strong side in big wins which may not be the case often this year for GWS.
There’s also a big worry over the fact he gives free kicks, 50 metre penalties and has an awful DE which all are crucial elements of being a no for SC.
He’d get a look in if I was doing DT but not SC this year, It’s a no for me unless he looks unbelievable in JLT 2 and even then it would only put him into a consideration area not a lock or anything.
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I’m always weary of selecting small forwards in bad teams. St Kilda in all likelihood (although predicting is hard) will be a bottom 3 team this year.
They won what 4 games last year, Gresham scored 100 5 times, 1 was a 6.0 haul, 2 were wins against Gold Coast and Carlton and the other 2 he played midfield/half forward against Richmond and GWS.
After that 2 week stint in the middle he then went back to playing the small forward role with small stints in the middle and finished with 81, 59, 87, 44 to round out 4 losses in a row for the awful Saints.
I’d much rather pick a small forward who has stints in the middle in a good side than a Carlton, St Kilda, Gold Coast player.
They won what 4 games last year, Gresham scored 100 5 times, 1 was a 6.0 haul, 2 were wins against Gold Coast and Carlton and the other 2 he played midfield/half forward against Richmond and GWS.
After that 2 week stint in the middle he then went back to playing the small forward role with small stints in the middle and finished with 81, 59, 87, 44 to round out 4 losses in a row for the awful Saints.
I’d much rather pick a small forward who has stints in the middle in a good side than a Carlton, St Kilda, Gold Coast player.
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Yeah if fit not sure you can go past Greene.
Greene has had 4 out of 7 seasons averaging over 90 and priced at $350 odd that's pretty good value. He has potential for another 100+ season and more room forward to work can only be good for him around goals.
Fitness is the key, along with the odd brain fade.
Greene has had 4 out of 7 seasons averaging over 90 and priced at $350 odd that's pretty good value. He has potential for another 100+ season and more room forward to work can only be good for him around goals.
Fitness is the key, along with the odd brain fade.
I think the issue with Gresham is how much time will he play midfield to make him a worthy selection.
Also, since you don't like any forwards 400-550k, then you may have to take a chance. Some of the players you mentioned in your other post clearly are big risks, so finding the least risky player is the way to go, I reckon.
I've read that Gresham was recruited as a small mid, but he was their leading (35 goals) goal scorer last year, which is a worry.
But the new St Kilda midfield coach Brendon Lade has declared Gresham will spend “a lot” more time as a mid next season.
This is his 4th season and his scoring is heading in the right direction, 2016 - 61, '17-66, '18-79 (note: after the Bye he averaged 86) and then I read he played 'great' on the ball in the JLT 1.
With Steven and Hannebery out for a while, that could help Gresham start in the midfield this year at least. I don't know if STK have a good replacement to take and hold Gresham's fwd role?
You mentioned that you don't like small forwards with midfield stints in a bottom team, totally agree, but the point is, will Gresham (177cm) play Fwd or more Mid? As small Mids in a bottom team can score well (Neale 177cm).
So how risky is Gresham, hmmm? I'm watching for more clues before Rd1.
Also, since you don't like any forwards 400-550k, then you may have to take a chance. Some of the players you mentioned in your other post clearly are big risks, so finding the least risky player is the way to go, I reckon.
I've read that Gresham was recruited as a small mid, but he was their leading (35 goals) goal scorer last year, which is a worry.
But the new St Kilda midfield coach Brendon Lade has declared Gresham will spend “a lot” more time as a mid next season.
This is his 4th season and his scoring is heading in the right direction, 2016 - 61, '17-66, '18-79 (note: after the Bye he averaged 86) and then I read he played 'great' on the ball in the JLT 1.
With Steven and Hannebery out for a while, that could help Gresham start in the midfield this year at least. I don't know if STK have a good replacement to take and hold Gresham's fwd role?
You mentioned that you don't like small forwards with midfield stints in a bottom team, totally agree, but the point is, will Gresham (177cm) play Fwd or more Mid? As small Mids in a bottom team can score well (Neale 177cm).
So how risky is Gresham, hmmm? I'm watching for more clues before Rd1.
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Where does the potential for a 100+ season come from? He has never averaged 100+ playing as a small forward , he was a pure midfielder when going 102-104 getting 30+ touches every week..
In the role he now plays he has averaged
82.5 (22 games)
90.4 (21 games)
96.1 (16 games)
72.5 (7 games)
In all likelihood he is looking at being an 85-95 player with very questionable injury and suspension red flags and has scored 1 100 in his last 16 games.
I know he’s been injured a bit but going 100+ 1/16 times doesn’t Instill me with confidence he can get anywhere near a 100 average for the season.
In the role he now plays he has averaged
82.5 (22 games)
90.4 (21 games)
96.1 (16 games)
72.5 (7 games)
In all likelihood he is looking at being an 85-95 player with very questionable injury and suspension red flags and has scored 1 100 in his last 16 games.
I know he’s been injured a bit but going 100+ 1/16 times doesn’t Instill me with confidence he can get anywhere near a 100 average for the season.
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I think he's got the game to go 100, probably closer 95-100 but playing high HF if he has stays free from injury he can make that number. He's got the ceiling to push that high 90 just needs to remove those sub 70 numbers that he can be prone to. He's 24/25 IIRC, hitting his prime and we are still yet to see the consistency in his game.
Last years season game be written off due injury so the 72 is a moot point and his trajectory for age is on track to improve further, like I said just needs a good run with his body.
Last years season game be written off due injury so the 72 is a moot point and his trajectory for age is on track to improve further, like I said just needs a good run with his body.
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Looks to me like they are just gifting Wallis and Richards more mid time before swapping Wallace to Mclean and possibly Richards pushed out to a wing for Libba. I feel the Same about Pruess being given a whole game solo, it's not just to ''see how they look'' but to give some blokes a full go at what they won't be seeing regularly in the real season, keep them hungry. just my opinion of course.
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What about your man Robbie? has said he will play further up the ground than in recent years, or are you worried about Port's season or Robbie getting niggles/injuries?
I think Jroo could have a better season again if Lynch is fit and playing, at least one of, if not both of McLean and Dunkley should be solid (im leaning towards Mclean myself as i feel Libba may impact Dunkley more) and Worpel looks like he can get 20 touches a week for a 90+.
Options everywhere. Now how about offering me some Backmen between 410k-540k who are the best options in your opinion, that's where i am struggling lol.
I think Jroo could have a better season again if Lynch is fit and playing, at least one of, if not both of McLean and Dunkley should be solid (im leaning towards Mclean myself as i feel Libba may impact Dunkley more) and Worpel looks like he can get 20 touches a week for a 90+.
Options everywhere. Now how about offering me some Backmen between 410k-540k who are the best options in your opinion, that's where i am struggling lol.
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Sounds good enough according to this?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/gw...r/news-story/edfb1233cac2ddb96521afc4fc3b2392
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/gw...r/news-story/edfb1233cac2ddb96521afc4fc3b2392