Position Ruck Discussion
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I am confused.
With doubts on Gawn now , wouldn't the simplest option be just to go down to next best available in Goldstein ?
Talk of Jacobs , Naismith , Patton etc seems to be just asking for trouble in my opinion.
Suddenly with "spare" money you might just spend it on someone in another position that you don't really want too.
Obviously a lot better coaches in here than me , so maybe I am missing something obvious.
With doubts on Gawn now , wouldn't the simplest option be just to go down to next best available in Goldstein ?
Talk of Jacobs , Naismith , Patton etc seems to be just asking for trouble in my opinion.
Suddenly with "spare" money you might just spend it on someone in another position that you don't really want too.
Obviously a lot better coaches in here than me , so maybe I am missing something obvious.
Taking Goldstein would mean that you are ruling out Gawn for the season unless you sideways trade. Not sure there is much value in that.
Alternatively, you can drop Gawn down to a Jacobs/Naismith and pickup a keeper in an alternate position. That way you can avoid locking yourself into a sideways trade if Gawn gains full fitness and reverts to 125+ scores
Alternatively, you can drop Gawn down to a Jacobs/Naismith and pickup a keeper in an alternate position. That way you can avoid locking yourself into a sideways trade if Gawn gains full fitness and reverts to 125+ scores
Taking Goldstein is almost giving Gawn away for the year. Not worth using a trade to go from a 110 to a 120 player although there is a slingshot from rnd 13 to 14 which helps. Taking someone with some cash generation or someone who can fill a forward position doesn't compromise the team as much as a trade for an extra 10 points each week. If you think Goldy can match Gawn for the year then Goldy is a good pick.
makes a bit more sense
hopefully we get some more clarity on how long Gawn is going to miss closer to the season , then we all assume he will get back to normal and be R2 , is that by Round 6 , 12 , 18 etc etc who knows.
Goldy could be viable and not need to be traded.
I guess if you drop Gawn to a $ 500k type it could then mean upgrading 2 of the Dawson , Doc , Houston types to a premium or 1 of the Lynch , Smith , Brayshaw , Steven etc.
Down to $ 300k would probably allow a rookie to be upgraded.
I will need to work through all the different options , I guess the good thing is Gawn's starting price so he can be swapped down to anyone.
If he is out longer than anticipated then Preuss would come into the mix.
hopefully we get some more clarity on how long Gawn is going to miss closer to the season , then we all assume he will get back to normal and be R2 , is that by Round 6 , 12 , 18 etc etc who knows.
Goldy could be viable and not need to be traded.
I guess if you drop Gawn to a $ 500k type it could then mean upgrading 2 of the Dawson , Doc , Houston types to a premium or 1 of the Lynch , Smith , Brayshaw , Steven etc.
Down to $ 300k would probably allow a rookie to be upgraded.
I will need to work through all the different options , I guess the good thing is Gawn's starting price so he can be swapped down to anyone.
If he is out longer than anticipated then Preuss would come into the mix.
A few people have been mentioning Ceglar as an option in the last few days, thought I'd have a bit closer look at his stats for the last few years (2016-2019 - he missed all of 2017). Make of this whatever you want.
Ceglar / McEvoy both playing: 36 games, average 68.9. (2016: 69.2 from 19. 2018: 61.8 from 5. 2019: 75.8 from 12.)
Ceglar / Pittonet both playing: 3 games, average 83.3 (2018: 100 from 1 game - Rd 21. 2019: 66.5 from 2 games - Rd 10-11.)
Ceglar solo ruck: 5 games, average 95.3 (2018: 80.5 from 4 games - Rd 17-20. 2019: 110 from 1 game - Rd 21.)
Of the 44 games he played in this 3 year period, 13 times he had 60% or more of Hawthorn's hitouts (excluding any hitouts that come from part time rucks - I only looked at those from Ceglar, McEvoy and Pittonet).
2016 R8 (McEvoy): 61.9% hitouts, 39 SC points
2016 R10 (McEvoy): 69.5% hitouts, 94 SC points
2016 R11 (McEvoy): 76% hitouts, 61 SC points
2016 R13 (McEvoy): 78% hitouts, 61 SC points
2016 R17 (McEvoy): 75.6% hitouts, 82 SC points
2016 R18 (McEvoy): 66.6% hitouts, 83 SC points
2018 R17 (Solo): 79 SC points
2018 R18 (Solo): 102 SC points
2018 R19 (Solo): 63 SC points
2018 R20 (Solo): 78 SC points
2019 R21 (Solo): 110 SC points
2019 R22 (McEvoy): 97.1% hitouts, 83 SC points
2019 R23 (McEvoy): 100% hitouts, 94 SC points
Ceglar / McEvoy both playing: 36 games, average 68.9. (2016: 69.2 from 19. 2018: 61.8 from 5. 2019: 75.8 from 12.)
Ceglar / Pittonet both playing: 3 games, average 83.3 (2018: 100 from 1 game - Rd 21. 2019: 66.5 from 2 games - Rd 10-11.)
Ceglar solo ruck: 5 games, average 95.3 (2018: 80.5 from 4 games - Rd 17-20. 2019: 110 from 1 game - Rd 21.)
Of the 44 games he played in this 3 year period, 13 times he had 60% or more of Hawthorn's hitouts (excluding any hitouts that come from part time rucks - I only looked at those from Ceglar, McEvoy and Pittonet).
2016 R8 (McEvoy): 61.9% hitouts, 39 SC points
2016 R10 (McEvoy): 69.5% hitouts, 94 SC points
2016 R11 (McEvoy): 76% hitouts, 61 SC points
2016 R13 (McEvoy): 78% hitouts, 61 SC points
2016 R17 (McEvoy): 75.6% hitouts, 82 SC points
2016 R18 (McEvoy): 66.6% hitouts, 83 SC points
2018 R17 (Solo): 79 SC points
2018 R18 (Solo): 102 SC points
2018 R19 (Solo): 63 SC points
2018 R20 (Solo): 78 SC points
2019 R21 (Solo): 110 SC points
2019 R22 (McEvoy): 97.1% hitouts, 83 SC points
2019 R23 (McEvoy): 100% hitouts, 94 SC points
Great stats, thanks ... purely based on this info, I’d be inclined to focus on 2018-19 as his upside case (from a role standpoint), and it appears he averaged 87 across 7 games as all but solo ruck.
Given he seems to have missed a lot of games and won’t necessarily have that role, I reckon I’ll keep looking.
Given he seems to have missed a lot of games and won’t necessarily have that role, I reckon I’ll keep looking.
Well I personally think the Hawks have more forward depth than in defense, especially tall forwards after drafting in another in Patton. Ceglar plays forward when he is not in the ruck, McEvoy was being tried in defense late last season for a reason. I do think Ceglar will be the #1 ruck this season.