Position Forward Discussion

[Buddy Starmart]

Could JJK be a good stepping stone and wind back the clock for first 6 games or so and avg big thoughts .

 

[Buddy Starmart]

Greenwood or anyone under 500k a big chance for top 6 as we all know what Devon smith can do but I wanted others.

 

[Spots]

Could JJK be a good stepping stone and wind back the clock for first 6 games or so and avg big thoughts .

I had also had this thought float through my mind but saw this yesterday...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1229266433390993408

 

[Toothless Tigers]

Is Brad Ebert in Port Adelaide best 22?

 

[Professor]

Is Brad Ebert in Port Adelaide best 22?

Yes, but this year maybe overtaken by youth policy if he has a couple of bad games. I've seen tweets that he'll play forward, with rotations through the middle.

 

[Herbie66]

Jonathan Patton intrigues me

89 games / 130 goals

maybe it's the modern game but I would have assumed he would have averaged at least 2 goals per game

(how much are these key forwards getting paid to actually do what ?)

2012 - 7 games/4 goals
2013 - 3 games/5 goals
2014 - 19 games/25 goals
2015 - 3 games/3 goals
2016 - 23 games/38 goals
2017 - 22 games/45 goals
2018 - 12 games/10 goals
2019 - 0 games

In 24 of his games he has been goalless

8 times he has kicked more than 3 goals in a game

 

[Agent 47]

Burgoyne had no knees.

Scully was never going to be able to walk again.

The Hawthorn wizard doctors will get him right and he'll have his best season ever. Lock him in.

 

[PC]

Burgoyne had no knees.

Scully was never going to be able to walk again.

The Hawthorn wizard doctors will get him right and he'll have his best season ever. Lock him in.

#Patton4Coleman2020

 

[Lost In The Sky]

Could JJK be a good stepping stone and wind back the clock for first 6 games or so and avg big thoughts .

I had also had this thought float through my mind but saw this yesterday...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1229266433390993408

JK playing down his pre-season but it's great too see him out their for the full pre-season so far. Certainly a lot better than in previous years where he's come into each season under a cloud and with limited track work.

As he said he's old now, but he has looked good from what I've seen and is one worth keeping in consideration as a stepping stone. 5 of our first 8 games are at Optus Stadium too so the opportunity is there for a fast start to the season for him.

Ideally if you picked him you would want one of those 150-180 scores he has pulled out in the past... In the first few rounds to kick his cash generation along quickly and make the pick worthwhile. Could give you a nice jump on pack if he had one of those.

 

[Connoisseur]

C Wingard:






2019:
Lowest TOG% since 2012 and 1st season with TOG% below 85% since 2012.
2nd season with less than 7 Contested Possessions per game since 2013.

Wins: 96.43 from 76 (39/76 below 100, 10/76 120+)
2013: 111.83 from 12
2014: 84.38 from 13
2015: 94.67 from 12
2016: 105.14 from 7
2017: 100 from 12
2018: 94.75 from 12
2019: 85.13 from 8

Losses: 78.7 from 60 (47/60 below 100, 3/60 120+)
2013: 82.7 from 10
2014: 72.63 from 8
2015: 101.5 from 10
2016: 65.36 from 11
2017: 79 from 6
2018: 80.44 from 9
2019: 63.67 from 6

Pre Bye: 85.62 from 63 (45/63 below 100, 7/63 120+)
2013: 96.8 from 10
2014: 84.14 from 7
2015: 96.25 from 12
2016: 84.45 from 11
2017: 90 from 8
2018: 72.63 from 8
2019: 64.57 from 7

Post Bye: 91.19 from 73 (41/73 below 100, 6/73 120+)
2013: 100.08 from 12
2014: 77.79 from 14
2015: 99.6 from 10
2016: 75.14 from 7
2017: 95.4 from 10
2018: 98.46 from 13
2019: 87.29 from 7

SC avg between 2017-2019: 86.75 from 53
Disposals avg between 2017-2019: 20.62 from 53

SC avg when disposals equal/exceed 21: 102.48 from 23 (3/23 below 80, 9/23 below 100, 3/23 120+)
SC avg when disposals below 21: 74.7 from 30 (15/30 below 80, 27/30 below 100, 0/30 120+)

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Jonathan Patton intrigues me

89 games / 130 goals

maybe it's the modern game but I would have assumed he would have averaged at least 2 goals per game

(how much are these key forwards getting paid to actually do what ?)

2012 - 7 games/4 goals
2013 - 3 games/5 goals
2014 - 19 games/25 goals
2015 - 3 games/3 goals
2016 - 23 games/38 goals
2017 - 22 games/45 goals
2018 - 12 games/10 goals
2019 - 0 games

In 24 of his games he has been goalless

8 times he has kicked more than 3 goals in a game

Surprised he’s played 89 games TBH ?

 

[Meltingpot38]

Thoughts on Connor Rozee? Same price bracket as Wingard and from pre-season reports has been an absolute stand out for a second year player, could be an interesting POD on the forward line.
Will be interesting how many CBAs he attends and his midfield minutes.

 

[Professor]

Thoughts on Connar Rozee? Same price bracket as Wingard and from pre-season reports has been an absolute stand out for a second year player, could be an interesting POD on the forward line.
Will be interesting how many CBAs he attends and his midfield minutes.

Awkwardly priced at $422k with a 77 average. I don't expect him to get huge minutes through the middle, just a few rotations and predominantly stay forward.

 

[Meltingpot38]

Awkwardly priced at $422k with a 77 average. I don't expect him to get huge minutes through the middle, just a few rotations and predominantly stay forward.

Will be one to watch, this is from some reports of people who watched Port Intraclub.

 

[Professor]

Will be one to watch, this is from some reports of people who watched Port Intraclub.

Sounds very exciting, let's hope he gets those midfield minutes, Port might go youth policy through the middle.

 

[Ironhawk]

Thoughts on Connor Rozee? Same price bracket as Wingard and from pre-season reports has been an absolute stand out for a second year player, could be an interesting POD on the forward line.
Will be interesting how many CBAs he attends and his midfield minutes.

I have included him in one of my teams, he's near the top of players I'm considering, but at this stage I think he'll probably miss out. Reasonable chance of getting his average to 85-90, which you would have to say is not quite enough, but will be watching him this pre-season for sure to see if he could get that little bit extra.

 

[armesy]

The one thing that bugs me with Whitfield is his price and his historical numbers, compared to others at the same price.

Whitfield has missed 16 games the last 4 seasons and averaged 110+ once with that 110 possibly due to increased opportunity with injuries to his teammates.

Oliver has missed 9 games the last 4 seasons and averaged 110+ in 3 years. Note: the 9 missed games and missed average were in his first year.

Treloar has missed 10 games the last 4 seasons and averaged 110+ 3 times.

Now I know it’s not comparing apples to apples and is somewhat rookie reliant but it’s difficult for me to justify picking Whitfield over the other 2, even if he’s every chance to be a top 3 fwd on averages. If I was confident he’d go 110 again, it would make the decision a little easier but with the uncertainty (in my eyes) of his ability to back up, he’s my cash generator if needed.

I havent even considered not starting him until now. A lot to think about...

 

[Ben's Beasts]

Jack Steven watch

- Had a calf niggle but is now back in full training
- Won’t play the first Marsh series game but is expected to play the second and be named in the round 1 team
- Club sees him as an inside mid who can also play as a half forward

All of the above is from Chris Scott.

 

[Toothless Tigers]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1230264627226824704

 

[freowho]

Jack Steven watch

- Had a calf niggle but is now back in full training
- Won’t play the first Marsh series game but is expected to play the second and be named in the round 1 team
- Club sees him as an inside mid who can also play as a half forward

All of the above is from Chris Scott.

"He had a little bit of a calf niggle, but he's a different athlete to the one that played pretty well for St Kilda towards the end of last season. We're pretty confident that that's been a good move for us,” Scott said.
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