Position Forward Discussion

[freowho]

I look at it from this angle, with no intention of being rude to any Demons Supporters.

Any Game Vandenberg scores 100 with 70% TOG should not be looked at.

In The Melbourne FWD Line you have Melksham, Weideman, Vandenberg, who gets injured first?. Guess who gets moved back to the FWD line if one of the names mention misses a few weeks with injury.? Too Risky.

Also Harmes was a passenger at the week end, and no Brayshaw either. That wont be the situation come RD1.

my Thinking better value in Smith, Rozee, or Greenwood.

Being new to this forum i hope this makes some sense.

I can't work out how Vandenberg got to 100 looking at his stats!
On the other point, Harmes played across half back and wing to make way for Petracca and Sparrow makes way for Brayshaw.
A fit Petracca also doesn't have to be a full time mid to lift his scoring, part time would be ok and an improved Melbourne would see Petracca get more opportunities when he does play forward.

 

[pizza safety]

I can't work out how Vandenberg got to 100 looking at his stats!
On the other point, Harmes played across half back and wing to make way for Petracca and Sparrow makes way for Brayshaw.
A fit Petracca also doesn't have to be a full time mid to lift his scoring, part time would be ok and an improved Melbourne would see Petracca get more opportunities when he does play forward.

Interesting that Goodwin said he had put himself in a position to play more midfield due to his increased fitness and would be able to play more time there but also said his mid/fwd split would be week-to-week based on the opposition and circumstances so we don't have a guarantee of how much mid time he will be playing.

Ultimately we'd be trusting that him playing over 50% midfield will translate pretty easily to an average in the 90's and that he has considerable upside to average a whole lot more.

 

[Studz]

I look at it from this angle, with no intention of being rude to any Demons Supporters.

Any Game Vandenberg scores 100 with 70% TOG should not be looked at.

In The Melbourne FWD Line you have Melksham, Weideman, Vandenberg, who gets injured first?. Guess who gets moved back to the FWD line if one of the names mention misses a few weeks with injury.? Too Risky.

Also Harmes was a passenger at the week end, and no Brayshaw either. That wont be the situation come RD1.

my Thinking better value in Smith, Rozee, or Greenwood.

Being new to this forum i hope this makes some sense.

That may be so, but with his suppossed increased fitness level I'm feeling the intention from Melbourne is for Petracca to rotate between mid & fwd and not play soley midfield(or fwd). Final year of his contract and they probably want to give him a fair crack at reaching the heights of Dustin, Bont, & DeGoey to a degree, in that explosive FWD/MID role.

Also possibly works in the opposite as well, if one of the mids go down(many have a history of injuries)...then there is a possibly a spot for him. Either way he probably splits his time in between both positions throughout the season....barring any major crisis.

Who really knows, as he has teased us before, I guess the 2nd match will tell us more....

 

[freowho]

Interesting that Goodwin said he had put himself in a position to play more midfield due to his increased fitness and would be able to play more time there but also said his mid/fwd split would be week-to-week based on the opposition and circumstances so we don't have a guarantee of how much mid time he will be playing.

Ultimately we'd be trusting that him playing over 50% midfield will translate pretty easily to an average in the 90's and that he has considerable upside to average a whole lot more.

Sometimes we just have to take a chance with these guys. Taylor Adams was an injury prone, ill disciplined burn man before 2017 when he played 22 games at 107! Sometimes these guys only have 1 or 2 good years in them too. Dusty in 2017. They were both must have players that year. If we keep saying "I want to see more evidence" you'll just keep missing the key that unlocks $50K. I'm not suggesting pin the tail on the donkey but you're allowed to read the play.
If Petracca gets some CBA's in the next game I'll take the punt.

 

[Connoisseur]

@Connoisseur

how does :-

Lynch , McDonald , Acres * , Brayshaw * , Smith * , King / Rankine , Xerri * look ?

Steven * on standby

 

[Connoisseur]

@Connoisseur

how does :-

Lynch , McDonald , Acres * , Brayshaw * , Smith * , King / Rankine , Xerri * look ?

Steven * on standby

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[OnTopBar]

Sometimes we just have to take a chance with these guys. Taylor Adams was an injury prone, ill disciplined burn man before 2017 when he played 22 games at 107! Sometimes these guys only have 1 or 2 good years in them too. Dusty in 2017. They were both must have players that year. If we keep saying "I want to see more evidence" you'll just keep missing the key that unlocks $50K. I'm not suggesting pin the tail on the donkey but you're allowed to read the play.
If Petracca gets some CBA's in the next game I'll take the punt.

And that is exactly what this game is, 'a punt', we are never going to nail all of the breakouts/role changers, but it's extremely important to nail one of those (two) with your pre-season picks and save those trades that the masses will jump on when they can afford to do it, Boak last year is a prime example.

 

[Hazza]

Sometimes we just have to take a chance with these guys. Taylor Adams was an injury prone, ill disciplined burn man before 2017 when he played 22 games at 107! Sometimes these guys only have 1 or 2 good years in them too. Dusty in 2017. They were both must have players that year. If we keep saying "I want to see more evidence" you'll just keep missing the key that unlocks $50K. I'm not suggesting pin the tail on the donkey but you're allowed to read the play.
If Petracca gets some CBA's in the next game I'll take the punt.

100% agree with this and as an added bonus if you take the punt there are a lot of underpriced guys like lynch wingard greenwood steven etc you can trade him to if it doesn't work out. Sometimes you can try to play this game too carefully and avoid these types and end up missing players that can give you a real leg up on the comp. The evidence is there with his contested ball numbers and tackles which show he wasn't just cruising to get this score. With the lack of forward options this year it makes sense to me to take a punt on a high draft pick who's shown an improved fitness base and had a role change.

 

[Grundogging]

I've been thinking about Ceglar's performance on the weekend for a few days - it was generally panned as being ordinary with minimal impact on the game but he still put up an 80 which is a decent score for a FWD.

I think he's still well and truly in my calculations for round 1 - if anything he has firmed a little as a potential low high floor one-trade stepping stone to a premo FWD from where I'm sitting.

 

[WindyHillWizard]

I've been thinking about Ceglar's performance on the weekend for a few days - it was generally panned as being ordinary with minimal impact on the game but he still put up an 80 which is a decent score for a FWD.

I think he's still well and truly in my calculations for round 1 - if anything he has firmed a little as a potential low floor one-trade stepping stone to a premo FWD from where I'm sitting.

If you select Ceglar it has to be as a keeper and season long ruck insurance. Being the #1 ruck I think his floor is higher than most other options around that price, hence the attraction for me also.

 

[IDIG]

I've been thinking about Ceglar's performance on the weekend for a few days - it was generally panned as being ordinary with minimal impact on the game but he still put up an 80 which is a decent score for a FWD.

I think he's still well and truly in my calculations for round 1 - if anything he has firmed a little as a potential low floor one-trade stepping stone to a premo FWD from where I'm sitting.

That‘s scary. I was just looking back to see if he was being discussed and you’ve just posted about him

He’s in my calculations too. I think he ticks a few boxes but I’m more inclined to keep him as he offers some long term ruck cover, which I think might be handy if starting Gawn in particular.

I just can’t feel confident that he’ll ruck the majority of time with McEvoy fit and healthy, even if big boy is expected to play down back I’m just not sure it’s going to last the whole year.

I mean, has a team ever successfully done what they’re planning to do with boy boy, ever??

 

[frosty1]

Is Port going to go the Lycett/Ladhams combo? I like the concept of a younger cheaper ruck forward than Ceglar. Ladhams floor much lower, and js worse, but saving $$. I rate Ladhams, given Port traded Ryder to provide him with opportunity.

 

[Manikato1]

That‘s scary. I was just looking back to see if he was being discussed and you’ve just posted about him

He’s in my calculations too. I think he ticks a few boxes but I’m more inclined to keep him as he offers some long term ruck cover, which I think might be handy if starting Gawn in particular.

I just can’t feel confident that he’ll ruck the majority of time with McEvoy fit and healthy, even if big boy is expected to play down back I’m just not sure it’s going to last the whole year.

I mean, has a team ever successfully done what they’re planning to do with boy boy, ever??

See rucks thread post #315. A number of comments around that time on Ceglar.

 

[Tails]

See rucks thread post #315. A number of comments around that time on Ceglar.

Sorry if it offends you but inserted a hyperlink to the referenced post ....

 

[Grundogging]

If you select Ceglar it has to be as a keeper and season long ruck insurance. Being the #1 ruck I think his floor is higher than most other options around that price, hence the attraction for me also.

That‘s scary. I was just looking back to see if he was being discussed and you’ve just posted about him

He’s in my calculations too. I think he ticks a few boxes but I’m more inclined to keep him as he offers some long term ruck cover, which I think might be handy if starting Gawn in particular.

I just can’t feel confident that he’ll ruck the majority of time with McEvoy fit and healthy, even if big boy is expected to play down back I’m just not sure it’s going to last the whole year.

I mean, has a team ever successfully done what they’re planning to do with boy boy, ever??

There was some risk there in terms of Ceglar's job security, which is why I was considering him to be a stepping stone rather than a keeper.

I've been tinkering for the past couple of days looking at a 3-5-2-5 setup with Hill at D5, Devon at M5 and Ceglar at F4 (or F5 depending in how you look at Lynch vs Ceglar).

On field the lineup doesn't look look too bad, but I'm concerned about the quality of the rookies I am left with as a result.

 

[Manikato1]

Sorry if it offends you but inserted a hyperlink to the referenced post ....

Not a problem at all.

 

[Herbie66]

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Cheers for that , was playing around with my lock n load side and kept finding all these appealing $ 300-400 k forwards that looked viable.

As for my real side hoping I can do 3-5-2-3 (or2)

Just need to follow the rookies.

Definitely won't be starting Jacobs , think their mids are more dangerous when Mummy plays , be curious to see how they handle their Rucks.

Think they want Tarantula & Hopper to take more responsibility in the centre square by the sounds of things.

I think I just need to start one of Whitfield/Martin/Heeney + Lynch & Smith and ignore the others (can't start them all at the end of the day)

Cheers

 

[Tails]

Cheers for that , was playing around with my lock n load side and kept finding all these appealing $ 300-400 k forwards that looked viable.

As for my real side hoping I can do 3-5-2-3 (or2)

Just need to follow the rookies.

Definitely won't be starting Jacobs , think their mids are more dangerous when Mummy plays , be curious to see how they handle their Rucks.

Think they want Tarantula & Hopper to take more responsibility in the centre square by the sounds of things.

I think I just need to start one of Whitfield/Martin/Heeney + Lynch & Smith and ignore the others (can't start them all at the end of the day)

Cheers

Big call ... I actually think that they will be better off with Jacobs ... and he hasn't even played for them yet ...

 

[Bomber18]

As we continue in the preseason, it's becoming clearer and clearer that this season will be won in the forward line. The top end premos are not as certain but there certainly are a lot of potential "value" (or fools gold) candidates. Petracca, Steven, Greenwood, TJLynch, Acres, Ceglar, Brayshaw, Parish, DSmith of course and I've probably missed a few. The top forwards seem to change a lot year on year, especially with the many positional changes. Will be interesting to see what the hindsight "right" starting options were, who were the painful bullets and if sideways trading mid pricers at R3 was the right answer (or just adding to the pain - Mundy/Dunkley correction traders would certainly have felt the pain).

 

[Eagling]

As we continue in the preseason, it's becoming clearer and clearer that this season will be won in the forward line. The top end premos are not as certain but there certainly are a lot of potential "value" (or fools gold) candidates. Petracca, Steven, Greenwood, TJLynch, Acres, Ceglar, Brayshaw, Parish, DSmith of course and I've probably missed a few. The top forwards seem to change a lot year on year, especially with the many positional changes. Will be interesting to see what the hindsight "right" starting options were, who were the painful bullets and if sideways trading mid pricers at R3 was the right answer (or just adding to the pain - Mundy/Dunkley correction traders would certainly have felt the pain).

Which is why I'm avoiding the pain and going with Whitfield, Dusty and 6 rookies.