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[Darkie]

Yes, there is a small rounding error when front or back ending contracts. It should be under $5. That is fine.


REMINDER FOR ALL
- If a player retires early, or is delisted, from the AFL, teams must pay the salary which is over the average, at the time of signing/drafting, for the reminder of the players contract.

Thanks Ken, good reminder.

Is the average $18m / 44 = $409k (ie based on the League numbers)? If so, I imagine this means that if we pick up a 250k player for 5 years and they get delisted, there’s nothing to pay in the years they miss?


Or is this a comment around back ending?

Eg pick Pendles for $1m @ 5 years and structure it 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1400 ... if he was delisted before the fourth season you’d have to pay 200 (=1200 - 1000) and then 400 (=1400 - 1000) for those years he didn’t play, but you’d have his spot back and 1m to play with?

 

[KLo30]

Is the average $18m / 44 = $409k (ie based on the League numbers)? If so, I imagine this means that if we pick up a 250k player for 5 years and they get delisted, there’s nothing to pay in the years they miss?
No penalty to pay for the 250K player

Or is this a comment around back ending?
It's a reminder about back ending and the possible consequences. Alex Rance being a prime example.

Eg pick Pendles for $1m @ 5 years and structure it 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1400 ... if he was delisted before the fourth season you’d have to pay 200 (=1200 - 1000) and then 400 (=1400 - 1000) for those years he didn’t play, but you’d have his spot back and 1m to play with?
That is correct.

 

[Darkie]

Is the average $18m / 44 = $409k (ie based on the League numbers)? If so, I imagine this means that if we pick up a 250k player for 5 years and they get delisted, there’s nothing to pay in the years they miss?
No penalty to pay for the 250K player

Or is this a comment around back ending?
It's a reminder about back ending and the possible consequences. Alex Rance being a prime example.

Eg pick Pendles for $1m @ 5 years and structure it 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1400 ... if he was delisted before the fourth season you’d have to pay 200 (=1200 - 1000) and then 400 (=1400 - 1000) for those years he didn’t play, but you’d have his spot back and 1m to play with?
That is correct.

Thanks - sorry, I was trying to understand what “the average” was referring to in your prior comment.

Ie is it what we can all afford to spend for our average League player ($409k), or is it the delisted player’s average salary when selected (Pendles’ $1m)?

It sounds like the Pendles example clearly applies - so I think the question now is whether the $409k figure matters at all, or why there’s no penalty for the $250k player example (I think this would depend on whether they were front- or back-ended)?

 

[KLo30]

$409K was the average player spend available at the beginning. $18M/44 players. This is a guide to your spending. Pick 44 Shaun Atley's and you are gold.

Pendles $1M a year average: If you go above and he retires then you cop the excess.

If you pay the average salary per year there will be no penalty.

If you back end a salary you will pay a penalty if they retire or are delisted.

 

[Darkie]

$409K was the average player spend available at the beginning. $18M/44 players. This is a guide to your spending. Pick 44 Shaun Atley's and you are gold.

Pendles $1M a year average: If you go above and he retires then you cop the excess.

If you pay the average salary per year there will be no penalty.

If you back end a salary you will pay a penalty if they retire or are delisted.

Great, thanks - that makes sense.

Reckon tomorrow night should be very interesting.

 

[Bomber18]

Thanks for the clarification, I had thought we would cop the remaining years of the salary (rather than only the excess above average salary) so that is good to know!

I presume the payment of "excess only" applies only if the player is delisted by their own AFL side / retire rather than if a coach decides to delist them from their own fantasy side?

 

[KLo30]

Thanks for the clarification, I had thought we would cop the remaining years of the salary (rather than only the excess above average salary) so that is good to know!

I presume the payment of "excess only" applies only if the player is delisted by their own AFL side / retire rather than if a coach decides to delist them from their own fantasy side?

- Teams which delist a player before the end of their contract are responsible for the remaining salary of the player for the remaining years of their contract as structured.

 

[Bomber18]

- Teams which delist a player before the end of their contract are responsible for the remaining salary of the player for the remaining years of their contract as structured.

Yes, this is the rule I had in mind. But hadn't realised there was a slightly different rule to apply if the AFL team delisted the player / the player retired (rather than if a coach delisted voluntarily). Good to know though before the contracts are locked in!

 

[Philzsay]

Anyone else experiencing some buyers regret?

I am happy with all of my choices, but when going through the contract stuff and planning on my next lot of targets I have two guys that I am now looking at thinking I paid too much for them!

 

[Bomber18]

Sorry @KLo30 , just one more query based on the Pendlebury example (i.e. pick Pendles for $1m @ 5 years and structure it 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1400). If Pendles is delisted voluntarily by the coach before Pendle's 4th year but then later Pendles actually retires in the 5th year, would the coach need to pay the full 1200k for the 4th year but then only 400k for the 5th year? (or still need to pay the full 1200k and 1400k in both years?)

(no need to respond to this before the 3pm deadline if you are tied up structuring your own side!)

 

[Bomber18]

Anyone else experiencing some buyers regret?

I am happy with all of my choices, but when going through the contract stuff and planning on my next lot of targets I have two guys that I am now looking at thinking I paid too much for them!

If I was to guess, I'd say those two are part of your 2CPs?

 

[Philzsay]

If I was to guess, I'd say those two are part of your 2CPs?

Yep!

 

[KLo30]

Sorry @KLo30 , just one more query based on the Pendlebury example (i.e. pick Pendles for $1m @ 5 years and structure it 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1400). If Pendles is delisted voluntarily by the coach before Pendle's 4th year but then later Pendles actually retires in the 5th year, would the coach need to pay the full 1200k for the 4th year but then only 400k for the 5th year? (or still need to pay the full 1200k and 1400k in both years?)

(no need to respond to this before the 3pm deadline if you are tied up structuring your own side!)

Good question.

I'm of the mind that you should pay for your decision. So, if you delist you pay full price. If the AFL industry make the decision for you, you pay a pro-rata price (if at all).

 

[Bomber18]

Good question.

I'm of the mind that you should pay for your decision. So, if you delist you pay full price. If the AFL industry make the decision for you, you pay a pro-rata price (if at all).

Happy with this approach, tend to agree.

 

[Bomber18]

Yep!

The compounding rate of the 2CPs makes it hard to pick them especially for longer contracts. I hadn't fully appreciated it at the time but luckily only ended up with 1 (T.Kelly), who I'm happy to pay 950k odd over 5 years anyway!

 

[Philzsay]

The compounding rate of the 2CPs makes it hard to pick them especially for longer contracts. I hadn't fully appreciated it at the time but luckily only ended up with 1 (T.Kelly), who I'm happy to pay 950k odd over 5 years anyway!

If these two players in particular end up being as good as I think they will be, then I am ok with it. I am effectively paying them on potential. Then when the 5 years is over and they become RFA I have the ability to match any bid and keep them for the majority of their careers, or at least force the other bidder to pay a premium for them.

However if they fail to reach their potential (more specifically my expectations on their potential) then I have lost a a fair bit of cash on them.

 

[KLo30]

If these two players in particular end up being as good as I think they will be, then I am ok with it. I am effectively paying them on potential. Then when the 5 years is over and they become RFA I have the ability to match any bid and keep them for the majority of their careers, or at least force the other bidder to pay a premium for them.

However if they fail to reach their potential (more specifically my expectations on their potential) then I have lost a a fair bit of cash on them.

That's the game!

I'll happily do a trade with you............................at a discount.

 

[Diabolical]

@Tails

As deadline approaches, you need to check your Auction Draft contracts. The sum total of your 2020 contracts is less than your average salary total. It needs to be at least the same for 2020.

 

[Bomber18]

@Tails

As deadline approaches, you need to check your Auction Draft contracts. The sum total of your 2020 contracts is less than your average salary total. It needs to be at least the same for 2020.

Oh dear, what happens now...? I'm happy to allow Tails to receive an extension until tonight to fix this if everyone else agrees but happy to leave the decision to our chief commander, Klo.

 

[KLo30]

Oh dear, what happens now...? I'm happy to allow Tails to receive an extension until tonight to fix this if everyone else agrees but happy to leave the decision to our chief commander, Klo.

DUMB RULES: Which Shouldn't Have to be implemented.

• Salary structures not completed by the deadline with be set to Average Salary as per the contracted years.