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I've been posting / venting a bit about the new "man on the mark" rule and after reading some comments from Lachlie Henderson this morning suggesting that some passages of play will be "undefendable" for defenders, I thought I'd look into a bit further and put down some thoughts. Apologies if this has been covered earlier.

Here I was thinking it would just stop a player moving east west on the mark, it goes much further. Once an umpire calls "stand", the player on the mark cannot move anywhere. Basically he's rooted to the ground. ***?

I found this article from Michael Gleeson at The Age which has some interesting observations. I've highlighted some of the more alarming bits.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-tweak-changing-the-game-20210129-p56xv0.html

A low-key rule change that bans the man on the mark from moving is having a game-changing effect in pre-season trials, according to clubs and the AFL.

Players standing the mark are no longer allowed to move in any direction under the new rule, announced in November last year. The rule says players on the mark can no longer move sideways, but it goes further than that.

The defending player must hold their position, unable to step sideways or even backwards away from the mark, after the field umpire calls: “stand”. Any deviation will result in a 50-metre penalty.

“It really opens up that diagonal kick into the corridor and stops you being pushed down the line as easily,” one coach said.

“You can exploit it in attack.”

There is also a new five-metre protected area around the player on the mark that even teammates are not allowed to enter.

This means teams cannot “hand over” who is standing on the mark from one player to another. Often the man on the mark peels off to defend a player running past the player with the ball, and is replaced on the mark by a teammate. This can no longer happen.

It also means a tall player such as Collingwood’s Mason Cox cannot replace a teammate on the mark when their opponent is taking a set shot at goal.

The “stand” rule means the player on the mark defending a shot at goal cannot step back from the mark and run up to put a player off.
The rule change also means that teams defending an opposition player who has a set shot at goal and shapes to run around to snap the goal cannot set up with a line of defenders ready to rush at the forward once they step off their line. At the very least, they need to be five metres away from the man on the mark.

The “stand” rule has opened up the ground to the attacking team and in particular opened up the corridor for the ball-carrying team to be far more aggressive with their ball use.

“It is pretty significant,” one coach said. “It’s much harder to defend so you can be a lot more attacking with ball in hand. “It’s a bigger change than the cut in rotations or the kick-in one [pulling the man on the mark back at kick-ins a further 10 metres]".

Umpires will be encouraged to give more latitude to the player with the ball to move off their line before “play on” is called.

The AFL’s head of football, Steve Hocking, said the man on the mark was the first line of defence and teams structured their defence behind that player. Initial signs were that the change was having the desired effect, promoting faster, more attacking play.

“The man on the mark has been taking up more and more real estate and slowing the game down, directing where play could go,” Hocking said.

“The vision we have from pre-season testing of it with clubs, the ball is moving quicker and so teams are taking full advantage of the fact they know the player on the mark cannot move so it is really disrupting defences.

“Any defensive system around the world works off delay and that is what the man on the mark does, he delays.

“I hasten to add it is January, when teams are always more attacking in ball movement and they will no doubt go away and spend more time trying to work out how to defend it but they will also go away and work out how to exploit it for attack and ball movement.

“The signs are very encouraging, that ball movement is a lot quicker and more aggressive. We have wanted to shift the balance back from defence to attack.”

He said stopping teams from “handing over” the mark was a significant change.

“The player handing over always comes in from the side, but they never come in from the boundary side, they come in from the corridor. So their movement to come in is really closing off that whole angle into the corridor and pushing play down the line,” Hocking said.

According to clubs who have been training with umpires in match simulation, the change to the “man on the mark” rule is having the most profound effect on ball movement and congestion of all the rule changes.

This year the number of interchange rotations will be further cut and the man standing the mark at kick-ins has been drawn back a further 10 metres to give the defender more room to play on and clear the area with his kick. The extra distance that player can get also is hoped to push back and spread the set-up of the defensive team.
 

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I've been posting / venting a bit about the new "man on the mark" rule and after reading some comments from Lachlie Henderson this morning suggesting that some passages of play will be "undefendable" for defenders, I thought I'd look into a bit further and put down some thoughts. Apologies if this has been covered earlier.

Here I was thinking it would just stop a player moving east west on the mark, it goes much further. Once an umpire calls "stand", the player on the mark cannot move anywhere. Basically he's rooted to the ground. ***?

I found this article from Michael Gleeson at The Age which has some interesting observations. I've highlighted some of the more alarming bits.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-tweak-changing-the-game-20210129-p56xv0.html
Thanks for sharing that mate, a very good read which backs up the feedback I was passed on from a few Hawks players last week after their intra.
 
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How the hell will umpires police this?

What if there are several players in a contest resulting in a free kick? Does the ump have to nominate a player to stand the mark?

I suspect we'll see players electing not to stand the mark at all and just allow play on. Based on the above article, they just need to get out of there before the ump calls "stand". ***?

In terms of SC, I suspect there'll be a lot more attack and scoring, which means more points for forwards and less elsewhere. Key forwards in particular should benefit. Could we see another 100 goal season? Probably worth thinking about. I haven't seen many key forwards being discussed.
 
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How the hell will umpires police this?

What if there are several players in a contest resulting in a free kick? Does the ump have to nominate a player to stand the mark?

I suspect we'll see players electing not to stand the mark at all and just allow play on. Based on the above article, they just need to get out of there before the ump calls "stand". ***?

In terms of SC, I suspect there'll be a lot more attack and scoring, which means more points for forwards and less elsewhere. Key forwards in particular should benefit. Could we see another 100 goal season? Probably worth thinking about. I haven't seen many key forwards being discussed.
Interesting point, I was just thinking that, could it be a season for the key position forward?
 
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How the hell will umpires police this?

What if there are several players in a contest resulting in a free kick? Does the ump have to nominate a player to stand the mark?

I suspect we'll see players electing not to stand the mark at all and just allow play on. Based on the above article, they just need to get out of there before the ump calls "stand". ***?

In terms of SC, I suspect there'll be a lot more attack and scoring, which means more points for forwards and less elsewhere. Key forwards in particular should benefit. Could we see another 100 goal season? Probably worth thinking about. I haven't seen many key forwards being discussed.
I was thinking similar - might see a lot of players not stand the mark and maybe just moving into the corridor instead? The practice matches this week should be interesting and give a bit better idea.
 
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I was thinking similar - might see a lot of players not stand the mark and maybe just moving into the corridor instead? The practice matches this week should be interesting and give a bit better idea.
Just wait for the outrage the first time an umpire pays a 50 for a player leaving the mark just as the ump calls "stand". This will tip some fans over the edge.
 
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Carlton superstar Patrick Cripps said the shift would have a considerable impact on the game and favour teams with speed.

“If you are an attacking team I think it will benefit you a lot more,” Cripps said.

“It is really going to help guys who are really quick off the mark. Guys like Zac Fisher, (Adam) Saad and (Zac) Williams.

“I like the rule change because as a viewer you want to see the game open up and higher scoring.”

Ryan, who was regarded as one of the best umpires in the league and officiated in eight Grand Finals before retiring last season, said there would be an adjustment period for everyone.

He said it would be interesting to see if any leeway is given to the man on the mark throughout the season.

“Like any new rule there is going to be difficulties, there will be some teething issues, then over a period of time it tends to settle down,” he said.

Now give me a minute and I'll post my team on the rate my team thread lol.
 
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mmm interesting

so don't man the mark at all and drop that player back into space

what a farce , how can't they allow them to be move backwards or sideways on the mark ?
 
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Carlton superstar Patrick Cripps said the shift would have a considerable impact on the game and favour teams with speed.

“If you are an attacking team I think it will benefit you a lot more,” Cripps said.

“It is really going to help guys who are really quick off the mark. Guys like Zac Fisher, (Adam) Saad and (Zac) Williams.

“I like the rule change because as a viewer you want to see the game open up and higher scoring.”

Ryan, who was regarded as one of the best umpires in the league and officiated in eight Grand Finals before retiring last season, said there would be an adjustment period for everyone.

He said it would be interesting to see if any leeway is given to the man on the mark throughout the season.

“Like any new rule there is going to be difficulties, there will be some teething issues, then over a period of time it tends to settle down,” he said.

Now give me a minute and I'll post my team on the rate my team thread lol.
Another thing to consider, kicking the ball to a 2 on 1 situation, forward marks, kicks over the top to the speedy small forward who goals, while man on the mark is stranded. Might need to look into player like flyan Ryan at WC, Hardwick reckons Aarts has gone up a level, St Kilda has a mosquito fleet Gresham, Higgins, Butler, Lonie, Irving for the bombers etc
 
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My opinion on this rule.
I think it will actually make it worse for scoring after the first few rounds. Taking the man off the mark should allow the defensive system to flood defence and slow the ball. I think we will see alot more stoppages and lots of players in one area of the ground. Think it is going to bring in extra defenders post centre bounces. Hated seeing 1-2 loose defenders and that will evolve quickly after the first few rounds.
 
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I am somewhat surprised with the number of comments that indicate a lot of people don't understand the impact this rule would have. Eagles coach Adam, Simpson called this a major change not like some of the ones that "tinker" around the edges. In SC scoring terms it potentially has an impact on key leading forwards and running backs that could increase their metres gained considerably (J Short anyone?). The Western Bulldogs were the top team for playing on last season however that stat was from a news article and I have never been able to find stats anywhere for teams that play on or players for that matter. I did ask in one of the threads a while back but no one replied.
 
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Perhaps it would be easier if they just told the player on the mark to actually "sit" , be a lot easier to understand.

Once the player with the ball gets the game playing again the "sitting" player can rejoin the game.

After all we have players having to nominate themselves in the ruck contest (if more than 1 from a team contest the contest just pay a bloody free kick , instead of waiting 9 seconds for nominations throw the thing in/up and keep the game moving)

Maybe in 2022 the players have to nominate whether they are going to kick it or handball it.

Umpire to the actual rules and the "look" of the game would actually change.

Any change this season to the holding the ball rule ? or incorrect disposal ?
 
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Perhaps it would be easier if they just told the player on the mark to actually "sit" , be a lot easier to understand.

Once the player with the ball gets the game playing again the "sitting" player can rejoin the game.

After all we have players having to nominate themselves in the ruck contest (if more than 1 from a team contest the contest just pay a bloody free kick , instead of waiting 9 seconds for nominations throw the thing in/up and keep the game moving)

Maybe in 2022 the players have to nominate whether they are going to kick it or handball it.

Umpire to the actual rules and the "look" of the game would actually change.

Any change this season to the holding the ball rule ? or incorrect disposal ?
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We see so many people lament what the game has become (including a number on this forum) mainly due to the congestion and the reduce scoring. We then criticise the AFL for attempting to do something about it. I don’t know if it will work or not however on face value it should help the free flow of the game and is worth a try.

In any event why should a player on the mark have the right to move sideways and diminish the advantage the marking player has earned anyway. I suspect the original rule was that they had to “stand” because the mark is a spot not a line.
 
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My initial thought was that no player would attempt to identify the mark. They would retreat 4 or 5 steps back from where they think the mark is and be free to do what they like. It will be interesting to see if they allow that kind of tactic. This might cut down on the player running past for the handball. I suspect the umps are going to be asked to identify where the mark is a lot more now so players can ensure they are not standing on it.
 
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