Position 2022: Midfield Discussion

Which premium mids are you currently starting?


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Best handballer I’ve seen (didn’t get to watch diesel)
No idea of your age , but got me thinking about Black , Harvey , Voss & West.

Sam Mitchell would be another one.

Old enough to remember Diesel , just recall Cable , watched vision of Farmer.

Not sure of the legitimacy of (a lot of) Andrew Jarman's hands , Ebert & McIntosh growing up watching the SANFL.

Convinced 50% + of handballs today are throws or maybe they are too quick for my old eyes.
 
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Apparently Jarrod Berry played wing in today’s scratch match not good CBA wise

I like the idea of him @ M5 if given the right role
I don't get the love for Berry in SC. He's not going to be a first choice inside mid, so at best he'll be an impact player in the second string rotation. As a non-MPP, that is not going to score enough to be worth it.
 
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This position is absolutely loaded, I want to pick them all and basically am looking for the reasons to not start guys as this is basically a group of pros and it's basically finding the best cons to o***et them and make decisions!

Macrae - I mean what more to say here... Durable, elite scoring, extreme consistency, rarely available cheaply. There didn't seem to be any real correlation with his scoring and other guys being in or out of the team, I mean he ticks all the boxes.

About the biggest knocks I can put on him is that going 120+ for 5 straight seasons I believe is Gary Ablett and /fin for the list and that's he coming off his highest ever average. That's it, that's all I've got against a guy who so far hasn't graced any of my draft plans :LOL:

I do think he's probably available cheaper during the season and I do think that the trade boosts are going to make bridging to guys like him a bit more accessible but realistically that second one applies to all the guys on this list.

Steele - I was probably his biggest cheerleader last o***eason, I don't think he did anything to change that position. Probably his biggest selling point was that weird month before the bye where Ratten tried to turn him into Dusty and where, imo, he must have been carrying an injury as spent a lot of time forward, basically what I'm saying is he's underpriced if there was an injury driving that coaching move. If not then it's the coach and that's a chance of happening. Could also be load management and be done again. Either way he averaged 138 over his last 12 rounds and wasn't doing anything unsustainable in that period.

Honestly, his biggest negative is he plays such a physical style which, imo, actually tends to protect players as hardest man wins has always held up for me but does at least expose to some injury chances. That's a pretty soft "biggest negative". Outside that, the team is a question but I think Saints are closer to 2020 version than last year, so that's a positive.

He's the guy I want but keep finding the 30k jump to him means more somewhere else...

Miller - I love him! The single worst part about the Richmond/Eagles game change last year was me not having him in my team to end the season! I mentioned him last year but honestly he went harder than I expected and I might be the only person who mentioned him (I've got him in basically all my keeper leagues so probably watched him as closely as anyone the last 5 years). He's basically Dane Swan with better kicking, I pay that as a huge compliment. Just works into and out of contests like very few ever have. Averaged 132 over his last 12 games last year and I absolutely think that's sustainable and that he has at least one 130+ season in him. Team should improve, especially with Witts back, is another positive.

The biggest negative on him is tags, if the team is more competitive then he would be the only target for them as it stands and he hasn't had to handle that yet, his play style should be difficult to stop but take away some of the spread and he becomes human in his scoring again. The other is the big breakout year aspect of last year but I really see it more as a continuation of 2020 and I'm not personally concerned with that. FWIW my comparison boy of Swan did similar before smashing out 4 straight 120+ seasons.

Oliver - Not a lot to say here. Durable, elite scoring, consistent, captain option. Think he can go higher but wouldn't bank on it just because I think they might manage him a bit more this year. Still, I'm backing 120+.

Biggest con is he did have a few games where taggers got him last year which did make him available cheaper at a few points but realistically I'm clutching at straws to find cons on a guy I love as a player.

Bont - This one is a bit more interesting, he started last year on an all time tier but he finished it very poorly. Averaged just 102 over the last 8 rounds, it definitely felt like CD actually watched a bit closer in that period and scored him tighter but he also flat out fell off in DT so it's not just pure that his ratios flipped.

So realistically you can paint it both ways, he's either underpriced or overpriced depending on the half you take, I tend to lean towards the first half as he's class and has always been a darling, him being scored "fairly" still had strongly positive ratios in most games just not the huge jumps he was getting early season.

The negative is that the inconsistency within season is a very common theme for him, being the 2nd half of a season was a new touch but he's done this before, perhaps his constantly seeking contact approach while also being an outside spread guy adds up and weighs him down for periods, not sure but it's a pretty common theme. Of course if he starts big then you never get a chance assuming he'll be two face in the season but if he starts slow and launches you can get on and look like a hero and then there is always the good chance that he works it out and puts together a 22 game season, in which case 130+ is on the cards as he ticks all the boxes, golden ticket captain, goal kicking, turns every touch into a contested one, generally good skills, strong team.

So yeah, basically I think he's underpriced and worth the punt as a starting pick...

Lyons - I will underrate him. I will ignore him. He will be top 15 at the end of the season. These all seem more like facts than opinions at this point :LOL:.

Seriously though, I think he's fairly to slightly overpriced. Given some of the other options that means I will ignore him at my own peril once again.

Mitchell - This one is so hard to judge. Averaged 129 over the last 11 rounds, which shows had bad his first 11 were. Has proven that 129 isn't a fluke and it was a clear move back an inside midfield role for him that drove it and there is the very obvious narrative around the shoulder problems for why it took 11 weeks to get there.

The knock is of course the shoulder problems are now a 2 season issue and he's clearly not the same player when they've held him back. I can't really fault the durability while kind of faulting that.

For me I'm watching his preseason, if he looks completely free then he will rocket up my list. Right now I like Bont, Steele and Miller a bit more in this "somehow I see value picks in the 117+ price group" tier but that could change very quickly. New coach doesn't really phase me, he's really only good at one thing and he's so much better at it than anyone else they have so there isn't a case for messing this up.

Walsh - Unprecedented talent this one... Started him last year, he made my first draft this year. For the third straight year he finished the season better than he started it, aka he's still figuring things out on the fly and adding it to his game. Averaged 126 over his last 9, handled a couple of tags in there, showed that absurd 190+ capability and just ticked all the boxes for another step forward.

Honestly, I don't have a negative here. Probably the best I can do is I'm not sure if he's got 130+ in him just yet and a few of the other names do this year. So yeah, best I can do is I think he's probably only a ~125-128 guy :LOL:

Laird - Like every position change guy ever he'll get neglected like a red headed step child, like a good amount of them he'll prove us wrong. He's absurdly good. Crows as a side is probably my concern, they overachieved a bit last year on the back of the older guys and I don't like their kids very much, I think they've got a couple of lean years ahead but the Dawson addition for almost nothing is huge and does help that massively. Still I think he's fairly priced, I think he's capable of higher but I like the narrative on others more.

Merrett - I think he's on the high end of his pricing. I love him but CD do not and I don't see how that changes. Did average 122 over his last 9 though so there is that. I think he's a 120 guy but I expect a few more horses to go through the middle this year for the Bombers and he's so good at both inside and outside that he kind of pays the price when that happens. I like him and, honestly, wouldn't be shocked if he put up 125+ but, again, narrative on others is stronger.

Parish - Ran out of steam last year, that can be a positive (underpriced) or a negative (got worked out a bit). I think it's probably somewhere in between and I tend to land on basically fairly priced as such. Similar to Merrett, I expect a bit more midfield rotation this year with guys like Heppell, Caldwell, Shiel, Stringer and even perhaps Hind/Redman/Snelling types to be added, basically I like the Bombers and see a bigger pie but the slices to be smaller for Parish/Merrett in particular.

Guthrie - Just not as sexy as the other picks and, honestly, I just think he's a better fantasy player than actual player at this point and he feels kind of maxed out in this range. I like him but I don't really see what he can add to his game to become a 125 guy and given how many of the names above I think are capable or have proven they're capable of that, he's hard to select. To be fair I would have laughed at anyone saying he'd become a solid 110+ guy 2 years ago, so who bloody knows!
 
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This could be a 3 parter :LOL:

Wines - Another that's really hard to grade. It genuinely felt like CD flipped on him and gave him a ticket the last 7 or so rounds when they realised that he's genuinely going to give the Brownlow a strong crack. Basically his DT average didn't change (fell ever so slightly) but his SC average went to 124 after being 107 for the rest of the season. Does he keep the ticket or does he go back to being a highly contested guy who can't buy a ratio? I guess step one is showing up in shape again as that obviously made an enormous difference. I genuinely considered him last year and have done for basically 5 years. I don't really see why he can't sustain last year's DT average, he didn't do anything special except play his game and be fit enough to play it longer and make a few more contests, at his age that should improve again. Durability has been good outside of boating related incidents.

The negative is obviously that he's a bad ratio guy for his whole career until a 7 week span last year. Now he's got a Brownlow does he get favourable treatment? He needs it. I think he can be a 120+ guy, I just think others are more likely right now.

Mills - I love Mills, he scored in line with what I thought, I think there's upside but his durability at this point is not up to scratch given the positional competition here.

Guy who misses a few weeks a year that hasn't proven the 120+ range just isn't worth the risk. I think he can do that, fwiw, but I just don't see the justification over others here.

Petracca - I love him and the narrative. Huge GF proving to himself just how dominant he can be, a Brownlow is the obvious personal challenge this year, he's very underpriced after playing as a defacto FF for the first 10 or so rounds last year and his wet sail has a very good explanation that shouldn't continue as a result. Averaged 118 over last 11, 122 over last 9 and 122 over last 14 including the finals. Basically he's underpriced for a non-injury reason with a 130+ ceiling and excellent durability.

Personally he's the 2nd picked midfielder for me and I struggle to find the downside here.

Zorko - I think he starts to slide a bit this year but regardless he hasn't got the ceiling to go with this group of mids.

Cunners - Get well great man.

Parker - Hopefully he slots to the 3rd mid role for Swans, which doesn't actually hurt his scoring potential but I think at this point he is what he is, he's a 105-115 guy that's super durable. That puts him smack bang on fairly priced in a pack of guys with higher ceilings and better value. Still a real solid upgrade target though.

Brayshaw - There's a very strong narrative here. I rate him very highly, he's their #1 midfielder this year, has an elite ruck to feed him, spreads well. Finding his ceiling is hard, he's still young but I think he needs to either be much more prolific or kick some goals to go much further, also needs to tackle more. He's a quality player but he doesn't have the pace or class to gain big ratios from that, he's not highly contested so he also struggles a bit there. The tag issue is still real also, he struggled big time there.

That said the Richmond game does show his pathway, 39 touches and 12 tackles is not absurd for a 190 game and does show he can score. I don't hate his chances at 115-120, I don't love his chances at 120+ but it wouldn't shock me either. I'll be watching him very closely in preseason though, partly because I think he's a much stronger DT pick and like him a lot in those formats, but also because if he looks a lot fitter and stronger on the spread then those ranges definitely could increase. Think realistically he's going to need to be somewhat Tom Mitchell like to go beyond 125+ and that means mid 30s on the touches and a couple of tackles. I think he's capable but it might be another preseason or two away.

Kelly - He's genuinely underpriced and has actually put together a respectable durability run the past couple of years as the preseasons start to make a difference.

I think at this point maybe it's time to accept that he looks like a better player than he actually is. His kicking stats are way below the aesthetics of his kicking, his fantasy stats don't support him as being as good as he seems and even with that durability compliment he's missed 4 games over the last two seasons which says more that I've set a really low bar than him doing something good.

Ultimately at this point, at his age, he's underpriced but his ceiling seems to cap out at 120 and his durability record is still really poor. The more you see the ceilings of the guys above, and a couple below, the more it's easy to put a line through him. Especially with Cameron as his coach.

Boak - Don't see him having another late career breakout to an even higher level. Great player, not relevant.

Dangerfield - Will watch the preseason closely. Cats need him and his history is so good but his once golden durability record is now questionable and he's now on that Deledio/Griffen tightrope watch where once the durability goes it's a free fall or if he can get it back. Still a SC darling with a lifetime achievement golden ticket but last year he fell hard.

That said, he's clearly very underpriced on his best or even close to his best and he's still capable of 120+. Needs a perfect preseason but he's definitely on my radar.

He has the added bonus of being a stronger than average chance of being a forward. For mine if he's playing midfield he should be 115+ and if he's not 115+ it's because he's playing forward where 105 would be a great outcome. So he does have that going for him. Of course if age does kick in on him he could well be a 105 guy as a mid.

Worth watching but not at the top of my list currently.

Libba - Love him but not on my radar.

Keays - Can't kick, it's not going to produce a winning club if he's a core midfielder, as much as I love how hard he works and tries he's just not got the class needed. I can't see how he can go 115+ unless he has completely rebuilt his kicking action.

Fiorini - DT for me, he's an absolute ball magnet, similar to Keays though in that he can't kick and he's fringe best 22 if everyone is there because of that. There's definitely that, he gets the ball so well he's worth having aspect here but I just can't get around it.

Selwood/Fyfe/Mundy/Sloane/Greenwood - I think they're pretty much fairly priced at this point. Fyfe with shoulder issues the big one and round 1 is definitely in doubt. Only thing I will say with Fyfe is the DPP position changes could make him relevant.

Neale - Love him as a pick. No preseason last year and it was such a classic example of just how important preseasons are, he's the posterboy for it forever now. All accounts he's in ripping nick and has already played more football than he did last preseason. No good reason he can't get back to 120+, imo.

He's just too cheap and is the first picked as long as his preseason holds up.

McCluggage - Was my best trade until he quickly become one of my worst last year! Love him as a player but he's too outside for SC and not prolific enough to make up for it. When Neale was out and he went more inside he was elite but I just don't see the case for using him inside ahead of Neale, Lyon, Berry and Zorko when they're all just as good or better inside and he's so much better than them outside. Kind of guy who could be 125+ as a pure midfielder but will keep playing wing because he's elite at it and they've got the midfield covered.

Not for me as it stands.

Simpkin - I probably like him more than I should. Finished well last year after a horror start. There's chances there and there's a lot of talent but I think he's still a couple of preseasons from the level requried. Do think he can push towards 110 this year. If he wants it, he can be 120 range as he ticks all the boxes but he doesn't impact enough contests which given he was always behind on fitness levels from juniors because of his injury makes sense.

JOM - File him under the he is what we think he is at this point. Body is always an issue and it holds him back sadly.

Hopper - I think he can make a big jump, basically a clone of Wines where if he ever gets a ratio going his way he could be big but otherwise will be held back. Classic guy who kicks so badly it undoes doing everything else that SC would want.

I still think he can be 115+ this year but I don't think he's worth the risk of stagnation that is very possible.
 
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Part 3 it is...

Seedsman - Huge year last year but just no.

Adams - Huge value here and the source of that value is also the problem... If he's 100% fit in the preseason I think he's definitely worth consideration as a guy who I do think can score 120 range. At his price that would be an outrageously good M8 play, realistically I think the 115 range is more likely. He's their #1 inside mid at this point but his body is a massive issue.

I'm not sure he's worth the risk when it's all said and done but he definitely could be. Preseason will answer it all, he's not worth touching with a ten foot pole if it's not flawless.

That's the top 40 done, just going to pick names from here...

Amon - I actually really rate him, reckon he copped the Merrett treatment of being too clean and good at avoiding contact and thus turned a lot of his contests into uncontested touches, basically should paddle into the contest like Bont instead of swooping and clearing, also a bit of Josh Kelly where his kicking looks better than it is but I do think he's a stud and they should move him more inside this year and that 115 is definitely on the cards but I don't think any of that is a safe enough bet to take him over other options that have higher ceiling than that.

Gaff - Disgustingly cheap, ceiling isn't high enough but if he gave you 110 for 22 he'd be pretty damn close to working. Struggled without the rest of the midfield there. I'm not picking but I can see a case at least.

Pendles - I think he's done sadly but you never know.

Cerra - I love him but he's a bit too outside for SC purposes, reckon Carlton stole him though, got outstanding value on that trade, those who don't watch a lot of Freo don't understand just how good he is, already in the top handful of kickers I50 and generally in the game. If they use him more inside I'll definitely be watching closely, Walsh works harder but Cerra can do everything he does outside that and a lot of it he does better, basically I don't see a good reason he couldn't push 115 in the right role. I very nearly started him last year.

M. Crouch - Too many injuries at this point. More surgeries in the o***eason. Outrageous value for a 120+ capable guy at his best but I just can't do it. Just hope he can get fit and come back the same player at this point.

B. Smith - There's a stud in there but reckon he gets stuck on the wing again this year because he's much better at it than others and the others are almost as good inside. Reckon in a couple of years though we're talking about him as a 120+ candidate as he forces Bont and Macrae out a bit.

Yeo - Absolutely outrageous value but his body is borderline shot so it's really hard to chase it. Sadly I don't think we ever see him hit the 120 range he was capable of at this point. Hopefully we do, one of the funnest players to watch, imo.

McGrath - Actually expect a big jump here but not enough, think he goes to the 105 range.

Prestia - If he's fit he can score and Tigers need him. Body can't be trusted though and he's not underpriced enough given his ceiling is no man's land.

LDU - Another I love more than I should and that looks better than he is but he did actually work it out a bit last year. Question has always been will he show up fit for the first time ever, if he does then he really is an absurd level ceiling guy (talking Oliver type of player). The issue is he's been so incredibly unfit every year so far that it's just really hard to expect it. I think for him being fit enough to do 110 would be a good start, so the bridge is just too far to where he needs to be.

N. Anderson - I expect big things from him, not big enough I don't think but should break the ton this year, imo.

Cripps - Oh god, here we go again. We know what he can be. We know how bad his body can be. I wonder if he shows up huge or super skinny this year or if he stops with the outrageous transformations and just gets right to play football? I mean he's a 120+ guy so you have to watch him but I don't like him unless the preseason is exceptional and I mean he plays pure midfield to the point of showing off exceptional.

Serong - Love him as well, finished really well after the worked out he's not a tagger and that's he way too good for that. His next step is 105 though and that's not far enough for me in a year where I think we're going to have ~15 players above 115.

Shuey - Another guy I really rate but can't trust the body and his ceiling has never been high enough, another 100k cheaper and he'd be on the radar.

Green - I love him but there's still too many bodies in the way. Next year when he's playing at Richmond or whoever I'll be all over him!

L. McDonald - Role reliant but he's a 100+ guy at a very borderline price where that could work. I think he's lost the role, fwiw, but will be watching still just in case.

Lipinski - Big fan of him, don't love the Pies as his bailout club but he's a solid 90s type I think. Not quite cheap enough for me.

Sharp - Probably more of a DT smoky but there's a really, really good winger in there. Probably a year or two early.

Rowell - This is one of the hardest picks this year. Has played one absurd game, one great game and one really good game and 14 games that are barely AFL standard. Where is his true worth? Last year he looked bereft of all confidence and didn't even seem to have any real AFL skill, he tackled meekly, fumbled everything and looked afraid of the ball at times. His first year he didn't have that but he's had some major mental obstacles with his injuries and that can break a lot of people.

He's cheap enough that a 95 would work. His first few games were good enough to indicate he could do that or even a bit more. Two lost seasons and preseasons of fitness doesn't help.

For mine right now I'm not actually considering him but he's firmly on my watchlist come preseason games for him to change my mind. I just don't feel comfortable backing him at 105+ and to play the first 15 games that I'd ideally want from him so I need him to prove me otherwise.

Berry - Love him, that 15 points cheaper is a big factor that brings him into play despite a fairly similar narrative to Rowell. He was right on my list last year before his preseason wiped him off it coming off a very strong 97 season where he looked great and was building to more. He does everything you want in SC, contested nut, tackles, marks well and uses it at a high level.

Needs to be genuinely fit and have a good preseason but he should bounce back to mid 90s and I still think in a scenario that breaks his way he's a 100+ guy. At that price, that's a great pick.

Caldwell - Same real narrative as Berry without the scoring history, will watch given his price and the potential I believe he has but this is much more speculative than a fit Berry.

Ratkins - He's better than his price but he's a very limited player and I think his ceiling is only slightly above his pass mark, so basically has to all go to plan for him to work.

Polec - I mean if he somehow makes it back into the side in his old role, the upside is there. Doubt it though.

Constable - Taking the #1 pick as a cut-off he slides onto here instead of the rookie list... prolific when played mid, I don't think he's the kind of guy the Suns should be giving midfield minutes with Miller, Rowell, Weller, Swallow, Davies, Anderson, Rankine, Hollands, Flanders and a couple of others all either really good there or desperately needing to play there for experience which means they probably have to find him another role, what that role is will be the question but absolutely will be watching him.
 

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This could be a 3 parter :LOL:

Wines - Another that's really hard to grade. It genuinely felt like CD flipped on him and gave him a ticket the last 7 or so rounds when they realised that he's genuinely going to give the Brownlow a strong crack. Basically his DT average didn't change (fell ever so slightly) but his SC average went to 124 after being 107 for the rest of the season. Does he keep the ticket or does he go back to being a highly contested guy who can't buy a ratio? I guess step one is showing up in shape again as that obviously made an enormous difference. I genuinely considered him last year and have done for basically 5 years. I don't really see why he can't sustain last year's DT average, he didn't do anything special except play his game and be fit enough to play it longer and make a few more contests, at his age that should improve again. Durability has been good outside of boating related incidents.

The negative is obviously that he's a bad ratio guy for his whole career until a 7 week span last year. Now he's got a Brownlow does he get favourable treatment? He needs it. I think he can be a 120+ guy, I just think others are more likely right now..
Averaging 35 or 40 disposals to achieve the 120+ season average?

He would need to increase his kick to handball ratio and kicking efficiency significantly to achieve that range and in doing so would be detrimental to team success.
 
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Averaging 35 or 40 disposals to achieve the 120+ season average?

He would need to increase his kick to handball ratio and kicking efficiency significantly to achieve that range and in doing so would be detrimental to team success.
I mean it's very possible in the modern game and he did sustain it for actually 14 games if you extend out my original 7 and can actually go up to 16 if you include finals.

As I said, the big standout for me is his DT was constant across the season but his SC quite clearly elevated, that suggests the underlying raw stats did not change but that he instead started doing SC things, to his credit one thing he did was kick more goals and have more shots in general at goal which probably suggests he got further forward and thus picked up a few more points from those underlying factors also.

Simple fact is he averaged 32 touches last year and he put 113 but he started terribly in SC, he had just two positive ratios through round 8. He had 8 positive ratios of the last 9 games (incl finals) which is a standout change, we all know golden tickets are a real thing and he seemed to at least find the scraps of one late last year.

FWIW Port also stormed home on the back of his improved ratios until the hit a brick wall against the Dogs so to say him doing those changes that lead to points is a detriment is a stretch at this point (long term could be true!).

I'll be honest, he's not on my radar right now as I think there are a solid half dozen other options that have similar ceilings and better pathways to it but I'd definitely say I expect Wines to be tickling that 120 mark this year if he shows up fit and stays fit.
 
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I need a bit of input here, I've gone for, what I think, are value midfielders and have left out a lot of the big dogs like Steele, Miller, Macrae et al.

My worry is that I'll have to generate bucket loads of cash and use a heap of trades to upgrade those last 3 possies to those big dogs.

So, is it a viable strategy to start a midfield like this? Or is it unsustainable?

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I need a bit of input here, I've gone for, what I think, are value midfielders and have left out a lot of the big dogs like Steele, Miller, Macrae et al.

My worry is that I'll have to generate bucket loads of cash and use a heap of trades to upgrade those last 3 possies to those big dogs.

So, is it a viable strategy to start a midfield like this? Or is it unsustainable?

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I can see the merit in all the value midfielders you have picked (not going near Kelly again myself after being burnt a few times lol) however I feel those 3 are on another tier/level with their scoring along with being very durable & consistent - they don't generally have the odd shocker making them sound starting picks.

The other factor with Macrae & Steele is looking at the draw, they are a perfect combo for VC/Capt picks each week in the first 9 weeks of the draw that has been released so far. Dogs play a lot of games early in each round, most of the Saints (& Freo also which adds to the Darcy appeal as a starting pick) games are later in the round.
 
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