Position 2023: Midfield Discussion

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There's a star in there but the fitness issues and late season fadeouts are both big issues. Anyone who knows anything about football could see he's twice the player as Ward, Hopper or Taranto and yet those three consistently ate into his midfield chances. There was obviously something that neither Cameron or McVeigh liked about him to be so limited in opportunity despite the obvious ability.

Definitely a case for building a tank as he goes but it's a big jump from where he's at for sure.

Still like him a lot, he can score so explosively when getting the right role and it's hard to see him not getting that role this year.

There's a lot of potential breakout guys, odds say that one or two will probably jump into the 110-115 range, not very common that someone jumps all the way to the 120 range though.
 
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wogitalia said:
There's a star in there but the fitness issues and late season fadeouts are both big issues. Anyone who knows anything about football could see he's twice the player as Ward, Hopper or Taranto and yet those three consistently ate into his midfield chances. There was obviously something that neither Cameron or McVeigh liked about him to be so limited in opportunity despite the obvious ability.

Definitely a case for building a tank as he goes but it's a big jump from where he's at for sure.

Still like him a lot, he can score so explosively when getting the right role and it's hard to see him not getting that role this year.

There's a lot of potential breakout guys, odds say that one or two will probably jump into the 110-115 range, not very common that someone jumps all the way to the 120 range though.
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Theres just so many good mids these days, I think you might need 115+ to even be a top 8 mid this year, I personally find it hard to see how the likes of Green,Anderson,LDU make that big of a jump, think its alot more likely they end up in that 10-15 sort of range around the 110 mark, It's probably enough for a M8 but I think my preference would be to only be picking them if you think they can better that level, will be plenty of bottomed out M8 options throughout the season.
 
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Baglimit said:
Pedlar in my team
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Shaunpro1 said:
I need to see a fair bit to pick him personally, there was games last year where the role was fine and he still struggled to get near the footy, obviously natural progression is expected but I'm struggling to see the consistency over 4 quarters being there to the level that we get a 110+ mid here.

I just question if the tank is there when a guys consistently getting their time on ground and centre bounce attendances capped.
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Baglimit said:
No Taranto or Hopper, I am excited. Gotta lead the CBA count
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Shaunpro1 said:
He had a block where the time on ground and CBAs were up but then it completely dropped away again, just makes me concerned from a guy we are picking wanting to get a keeper.
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Under The Dome said:
Hopefully he isn't attending 63 ruck contests this season.
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wogitalia said:
There's a star in there but the fitness issues and late season fadeouts are both big issues. Anyone who knows anything about football could see he's twice the player as Ward, Hopper or Taranto and yet those three consistently ate into his midfield chances. There was obviously something that neither Cameron or McVeigh liked about him to be so limited in opportunity despite the obvious ability.

Definitely a case for building a tank as he goes but it's a big jump from where he's at for sure.

Still like him a lot, he can score so explosively when getting the right role and it's hard to see him not getting that role this year.

There's a lot of potential breakout guys, odds say that one or two will probably jump into the 110-115 range, not very common that someone jumps all the way to the 120 range though.
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The challenge is his numbers are so messy. Throw in those ruck contests and you cannot work out correlation between CBA's, TOG and SC scores. Noting Cripps had higher ruck contests although I think these were more concentrated.

Cripps vs Green in the ruck - why? what are these coaches thinking, oh to the old days when we had Fyfe vs Danger in Adelaide head to head.

Had a big impact in the simulation game yesterday apparently, just does he drop away again during the season, does he stay mid or have different roles.

Has a great early run, Adelaide, Eagles, Carlton, Essendon and Hawks. If he plays pure mid he will be Paddy Cripps 2022 in scoring in those first few games.

Like a Fyfe, you either start him or avoid. Whilst not injury risk, question of sustainability not ceiling.
 
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GrainFedBeef said:
The challenge is his numbers are so messy. Throw in those ruck contests and you cannot work out correlation between CBA's, TOG and SC scores. Noting Cripps had higher ruck contests although I think these were more concentrated.

Cripps vs Green in the ruck - why? what are these coaches thinking, oh to the old days when we had Fyfe vs Danger in Adelaide head to head.

Had a big impact in the simulation game yesterday apparently, just does he drop away again during the season, does he stay mid or have different roles.

Has a great early run, Adelaide, Eagles, Carlton, Essendon and Hawks. If he plays pure mid he will be Paddy Cripps 2022 in scoring in those first few games.

Like a Fyfe, you either start him or avoid. Whilst not injury risk, question of sustainability not ceiling.
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How much actual upside is there from Taranto and Hopper leaving is something I have been pondering, they didn't exactly stand in his way last year, one played a handful of games and the other played half the season as a forward, the mid spot was right there but instead of Green becoming that 70-80% mid they gave midfield minutes to Perryman,Ward and Ash while he rotted either on a flank or on the pine.

I do have faith that Kingsley is a far better coach than what they've had to date so shouldn't be stupidity like throwing him in the Ruck but at the end of the day the player has to be capable of playing the role and we haven't seen Green be able to be a full time mid yet.
 
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Shaunpro1 said:
How much actual upside is there from Taranto and Hopper leaving is something I have been pondering, they didn't exactly stand in his way last year, one played a handful of games and the other played half the season as a forward, the mid spot was right there but instead of Green becoming that 70-80% mid they gave midfield minutes to Perryman,Ward and Ash.
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Absolutely valid comment. That is the challenge, many SC'ers think those guys leaving leads to high CBA's or TOG, Both of these he had later in season and still could put in a 50. Reasoning was wrong role, playing ruck (which gives fake CBA's) or maybe partly on wing where his big frame doesn't work.

He is a pure inside mid beast, doesn't have an outside game and doesn't get the 1-2. The reason you pick him is simple, Adam Kingsley was not there last year and you HOPE he does it differently. Also hope he has built his tank, into his 4th season.

You could have Anderson, LDU or a Green, the former two are likely to sustain a rise but may peak at 105, whereas Green has more chance of being 110-115 yet also fizzing by year end.
 
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GrainFedBeef said:
Absolutely valid comment. That is the challenge, many SC'ers think those guys leaving leads to high CBA's or TOG, Both of these he had later in season and still could put in a 50. Reasoning was wrong role, playing ruck (which gives fake CBA's) or maybe partly on wing where his big frame doesn't work.

He is a pure inside mid beast, doesn't have an outside game and doesn't get the 1-2. The reason you pick him is simple, Adam Kingsley was not there last year and you HOPE he does it differently. Also hope he has built his tank, into his 4th season.

You could have Anderson, LDU or a Green, the former two are likely to sustain a rise but may peak at 105, whereas Green has more chance of being 110-115 yet also fizzing by year end.
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Unsure if he took any centre bounce ruck contests but it's probably more around the ground stuff.

Ruck contests:
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Cba's:

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https://dfsaustralia.com/afl-cbas/
 
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donnybuang said:
Maybe his drop off coincides with Cogs increase in CBAs. Ie if Cogs is in there, Green just can't get his hands on the ball as much.
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The first two rounds Kelly, Cogs, Green, Ward and to an extent Taranto and Hopper were in there. They were all around 50% so hard to tell if they shared CBA's at the same time and Green still did well. Challenge for Green is he is no Clarry who has an inside and out game so if your theory is right, it would be concerning.

At this stage only have room for Rozee or Green unless I drop some mid pricers to get a 12th premium, however, lowers the depth of the team pretty quickly.
 
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