Position 2021: Ruck Discussion

Which ruck setup are you planning on starting with?

  • Gawn/Grundy/Flynn

    Votes: 82 47.4%
  • Gawn/Grundy/Meek

    Votes: 5 2.9%
  • Gawn/Grundy/Hunter

    Votes: 8 4.6%
  • Gawn/Flynn/Meek

    Votes: 25 14.5%
  • Gawn/Flynn/Hunter

    Votes: 11 6.4%
  • Gawn/Meek/Hunter

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Grundy/Flynn/Meek

    Votes: 14 8.1%
  • Grundy/Flynn/Hunter

    Votes: 9 5.2%
  • Grundy/Meek/Hunter

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 17 9.8%

  • Total voters
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Don't see it. You're paying 180k extra to get a rookie averaging the equivalent of 71 if he went at 105. Needs to average 95 to match a Max King type rookie last year, I don't think anyone is really clamouring after Max King types.

FWIW, I think he's better than King because I think he can score big and I do think he's a pretty good bet to push 95+ because I agree with your eye test, he's physical, big and moves well but there's absolutely a case for him busting as well.

I'd actually say he's a moderate risk, moderate reward 300k rookie, none of that screams value and while I like his JS, role and all that, I'm still not convinced that's worth the 180k premium.

And I still am very tempted to have him at R3 to start! If I end up with 180k that I can't really find a better use for I'll do it at this point.
Yeah I guess idealogically I just disagree with you.

The reason that Rucks are treated as a special case when it comes to midpricers, is that there's (usually) only one of them on a team. Which means they're going to get a stack of stoppage work, and by sheer weight of volume, they'll have a decent scoring floor. So we all get super excited when a player moves from a team where they get zero/backup duties to the one where they are top dog.

So for that reason, it's hard to compare a Ruck to the other lines we have - especially when they're at a new side. Obviously Witts $217k is the poster child for el cheapo rucks - but don't forget that Sandilands at ~$310k was the best R1 partner for Witts that year - cranking out 100s for fun and getting up to almost $500k from memory before he went down half way through the season.

I don't really understand the rookie label - this will be his fourth season of games, he's priced at >$300k - it's a classic mid-priced selection. Not sure why he'd be compared with the other rookies like Max King price/positioning wise.

At the end of the day, I think Gawn is going to retrace from a 140 average to something closer to 120, and is an injury risk. I think Preuss priced at $330k can pretty easily go into the 85-95 ranage. So for that reason alone - it's a no brainer for me to start Preuss (along with Grundy)
 
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Does anyone have a table of which teams have been the hardest for rucks to score against in 2019/2020?

Without any hard data, I don't want to generalise, but I would guess that coming up against Gawn/Grundy/Goldy/NN and the St Kilda pair would inhibit scoring somewhat.

I think Preuss could pump out some big scores this year for sure... but I'm nervous about waiting until R5 for him to really hit his stride and start making cash. It could be a tough SC start to the year as he is first double teamed by Marshall and Ryder in R1, easier against the Dockers in R2, then shown a lesson by Gawn in R3 before being run off the ground by Grundy in R4. There's a very good chance he may only average 80 odd in those first 4 weeks.
 

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Does anyone have a table of which teams have been the hardest for rucks to score against in 2019/2020?

Without any hard data, I don't want to generalise, but I would guess that coming up against Gawn/Grundy/Goldy/NN and the St Kilda pair would inhibit scoring somewhat.

I think Preuss could pump out some big scores this year for sure... but I'm nervous about waiting until R5 for him to really hit his stride and start making cash. It could be a tough SC start to the year as he is first double teamed by Marshall and Ryder in R1, easier against the Dockers in R2, then shown a lesson by Gawn in R3 before being run off the ground by Grundy in R4. There's a very good chance he may only average 80 odd in those first 4 weeks.
I don’t have any data but I hadn’t even looked at Pruess’ opponents early on so thanks for the heads up.

Personally have put a red cross next to Preuss’ name based on this info.
 
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Yeah I guess idealogically I just disagree with you.

The reason that Rucks are treated as a special case when it comes to midpricers, is that there's (usually) only one of them on a team. Which means they're going to get a stack of stoppage work, and by sheer weight of volume, they'll have a decent scoring floor. So we all get super excited when a player moves from a team where they get zero/backup duties to the one where they are top dog.

So for that reason, it's hard to compare a Ruck to the other lines we have - especially when they're at a new side. Obviously Witts $217k is the poster child for el cheapo rucks - but don't forget that Sandilands at ~$310k was the best R1 partner for Witts that year - cranking out 100s for fun and getting up to almost $500k from memory before he went down half way through the season.

I don't really understand the rookie label - this will be his fourth season of games, he's priced at >$300k - it's a classic mid-priced selection. Not sure why he'd be compared with the other rookies like Max King price/positioning wise.

At the end of the day, I think Gawn is going to retrace from a 140 average to something closer to 120, and is an injury risk. I think Preuss priced at $330k can pretty easily go into the 85-95 ranage. So for that reason alone - it's a no brainer for me to start Preuss (along with Grundy)
I'm not sure what part you ideologically disagree with. The first paragraph agrees with my what I've already said that Preuss has a great opportunity for strong scoring.

The second paragraph picks out the extreme outlier season, the only time since 2015 where the premium ruck threshold wasn't at ~110+ and then uses two examples that both failed to get there as evidence against what I've said. Both those players actually support my case as well, Sandilands generated 155k while averaging 96 from pretty much the exact starting point that Preuss is at. Witts, priced as a genuine rookie, peaked at 480k in the first 15 rounds, making 175k from Preuss' starting point while averaging 95 to that point, he was only up 120k (on Preuss) to round 9 though so was a real slow burn.

The rookie label is because I don't think he's a keeper under any reasonable scenario. If you think that he is, just pick him and be done with it but I personally think 105 for the season would be an exceptional outcome for him and that 115 would be on the very low end of where I see the ruck keeper threshold. Those aren't even close to crossing over. Thus Preuss is a rookie, his job in your side is to outscore his starting price by as much as possible and generate as much cash as possible. You should be comparing him to the other rookies you could pick instead.

The last paragraph is just bad logic. If you see Preuss scoring only 85 he's a poor pick. What Gawn is doing is irrelevant to this. If you think Gawn is a bad pick, you don't pick him but he has nothing to do with whether Preuss is a good pick. At 85 Preuss makes about 145k and is outproduced by a rookie scoring 55 on field and in cash generation and you're spending 180k extra to get that reduced result. If you don't think Preuss is a solid 95+ type there is just too much that can go wrong to pick him over other rookies, imo. With the one exception of there just aren't any other rookies obviously.

So many people are turning this into a Gawn OR Preuss equation and trying to use a projection on Gawn to artificially inflate and justify Preuss. You need to assess Preuss independently (I picked him at R3 in my latest draft so I think he's a really strong pick) as a pick, is Preuss a good pick is the only question, crunch the numbers and compare him to other rookies or even to genuine midpricers with a chance to be keepers and then make the decision if he's worth picking. Personally I think he can hit a 105 spike month and make close to 200k and thus is a good pick. That I think Gawn can sustain 135 doesn't change that at all and if I thought Gawn would average 80 it still wouldn't change that.

Basically if you think Gawn is a 115-120 guy and Preuss is an 85-95 guy, you probably shouldn't be picking either of them as starting picks. There's too many rookies capable of 55-65 to pay the extra on Preuss and Gawn is just a bad pick at 20+ points overpriced.
 
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I'm not sure what part you ideologically disagree with. The first paragraph agrees with my what I've already said that Preuss has a great opportunity for strong scoring.

The second paragraph picks out the extreme outlier season, the only time since 2015 where the premium ruck threshold wasn't at ~110+ and then uses two examples that both failed to get there as evidence against what I've said. Both those players actually support my case as well, Sandilands generated 155k while averaging 96 from pretty much the exact starting point that Preuss is at. Witts, priced as a genuine rookie, peaked at 480k in the first 15 rounds, making 175k from Preuss' starting point while averaging 95 to that point, he was only up 120k (on Preuss) to round 9 though so was a real slow burn.

The rookie label is because I don't think he's a keeper under any reasonable scenario. If you think that he is, just pick him and be done with it but I personally think 105 for the season would be an exceptional outcome for him and that 115 would be on the very low end of where I see the ruck keeper threshold. Those aren't even close to crossing over. Thus Preuss is a rookie, his job in your side is to outscore his starting price by as much as possible and generate as much cash as possible. You should be comparing him to the other rookies you could pick instead.

The last paragraph is just bad logic. If you see Preuss scoring only 85 he's a poor pick. What Gawn is doing is irrelevant to this. If you think Gawn is a bad pick, you don't pick him but he has nothing to do with whether Preuss is a good pick. At 85 Preuss makes about 145k and is outproduced by a rookie scoring 55 on field and in cash generation and you're spending 180k extra to get that reduced result. If you don't think Preuss is a solid 95+ type there is just too much that can go wrong to pick him over other rookies, imo. With the one exception of there just aren't any other rookies obviously.

So many people are turning this into a Gawn OR Preuss equation and trying to use a projection on Gawn to artificially inflate and justify Preuss. You need to assess Preuss independently (I picked him at R3 in my latest draft so I think he's a really strong pick) as a pick, is Preuss a good pick is the only question, crunch the numbers and compare him to other rookies or even to genuine midpricers with a chance to be keepers and then make the decision if he's worth picking. Personally I think he can hit a 105 spike month and make close to 200k and thus is a good pick. That I think Gawn can sustain 135 doesn't change that at all and if I thought Gawn would average 80 it still wouldn't change that.

Basically if you think Gawn is a 115-120 guy and Preuss is an 85-95 guy, you probably shouldn't be picking either of them as starting picks. There's too many rookies capable of 55-65 to pay the extra on Preuss and Gawn is just a bad pick at 20+ points overpriced.
I guess the ideological difference is that I don't believe that "Won't be a premium" means "Rookie" as you seem to. The whole game isn't cut up into Keepers and Rookies. There's a whole swag of players inbetween.

Rookies are first year players, basement priced. That's pretty cut and dried. Yes, we see players come back from injury or discounted 4 game seasons from the previous year - but they're simply rookie 'priced'. I don't think I've ever seen a single $330k player ever referred to as a rookie.

If you're picking them as a mid-pricer or a stepping stone - sure you might value someone at $350k by their ability to generate cash for your team before being traded - a similar role to rookies - but that doesn't make them a rookie. Hence why I don't really see the comparison for Preuss to "other rookies". Especially when you consider there's no rookie priced player that can come into the Ruck and take his spot.

Of course Pruess is going to be "outcashed" by a rookie who's priced at 120k. Why wouldn't he be. You're looking for them to reach 350k and be milked. No one is expecting Pruess to reach 600k for an equivalent profit. My plan is pretty simple - Preuss at 90 makes circa 150k with a spike game - Gawn at what I think is a hyper inflated average now that we're back to long quarters (and natural ruck attrition) loses 100k - and they become a cheapish swap down the line.

I guess part of my rationale is backed by what is such a specific area, the rucks. The gameplan for everyone is simple - we all want to end up with Grundy and Gawn I suspect. So I think you can look at the Ruck area in isolation, and come up with a specific plan.

Always enjoy the differing thoughts in this line, looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
 
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ROB's early draw looks very, very nice.

Cats
Swans
Suns
Roos
Dockers
Hawks

Thinking of starting with him (over Preuss) and Grundy as with this draw and a starting point of 570k I think he could get reasonably close to Gawn (650k ish) and only need 100k max to grab him all things going well.

ROB had a few big scores last season and I think is primed to break out, although expect him to dip mid year as comes up against Gawn & Grundy in quick succession.

Rounds 9-13 he has:

Eagles
Dees
Tigers
Pies
Saints
 
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I guess the ideological difference is that I don't believe that "Won't be a premium" means "Rookie" as you seem to. The whole game isn't cut up into Keepers and Rookies. There's a whole swag of players inbetween.
They're called the ignore basket. If they're not a cash cow or a keeper, they shouldn't be in your sights. If you're picking players who aren't in your final side or best helping you upgrade, why are you picking them?

Rookies are first year players, basement priced. That's pretty cut and dried. Yes, we see players come back from injury or discounted 4 game seasons from the previous year - but they're simply rookie 'priced'. I don't think I've ever seen a single $330k player ever referred to as a rookie.
Call it a cash cow then if you want to put a singular definition into what a rookie pick is. I personally use the terms interchangeably because I think there are only two things a player should be picked for, they're either making you a ton of cash or they're a keeper.

Technically there is a 3rd group which is the late season downgrades who are just there to bank as much money as possible, add DPP flexibility and loopholing but they're not a starting team consideration.

If you're picking them as a mid-pricer or a stepping stone - sure you might value someone at $350k by their ability to generate cash for your team before being traded - a similar role to rookies - but that doesn't make them a rookie. Hence why I don't really see the comparison for Preuss to "other rookies". Especially when you consider there's no rookie priced player that can come into the Ruck and take his spot.
I feel like you're obfuscating the point by focusing on the word rookie. Again, use cash cow if it's easier for you, but compared to other cash cows, most of whom cost ~124k, a 300k one has a very high standard required to be a good pick. I see an entire field, Marshall can start in the rucks and you can pick a cash cow at any other position. If DPP players didn't exist, then sure it becomes more of an OR discussion but you can pick a cash cow on any line in place of Preuss.

I also hate the idea of a stepping stone. It's a term that makes what is probably a bad pick sound like something good. If that stepping stone isn't producing more cash than cheaper options then you've just spent more money on a worse investment.

Of course Pruess is going to be "outcashed" by a rookie who's priced at 120k. Why wouldn't he be. You're looking for them to reach 350k and be milked. No one is expecting Pruess to reach 600k for an equivalent profit. My plan is pretty simple - Preuss at 90 makes circa 150k with a spike game - Gawn at what I think is a hyper inflated average now that we're back to long quarters (and natural ruck attrition) loses 100k - and they become a cheapish swap down the line.
Repeat that first line to yourself. You've literally said that a 120k cash cow is a better pick than Preuss for cash generation. You're now arguing that keeping 180k in the bank makes it easier to upgrade in the future, another complete fallacy people are using to start Preuss. Just pick two 120k cash cows that are going to outcash Preuss and keep the money in the bank to make your Gawn upgrade, you're better off in every way, putting 180k into Preuss actually just puts that capital at risk for your plan if he fails or is injured (what if he goes 70, 70 and then gets injured for 10 in round 3 and drops 50k?).

You're again conflating Gawn's outcomes into Preuss' outcomes. I'm not saying start Gawn over Preuss, I'm questioning why you would start Preuss, based on the numbers you've given, over the other cash cows that you've admitted are better picks. If you said player X would make 200k and player Y would make 150k and neither is a keeper, why would you ever take player Y? (admittedly, there are reasons and Preuss actually has the strongest of those!).

I guess part of my rationale is backed by what is such a specific area, the rucks. The gameplan for everyone is simple - we all want to end up with Grundy and Gawn I suspect. So I think you can look at the Ruck area in isolation, and come up with a specific plan.
Specific area, yes, isolated, no. I agree on the basic strategy, I totally disagree about shutting your mind off to the rest of the field being pathways to your end game. If Jackson Mead (I don't know why he's become my generic rookie guinea pig) is going to make 200k and Preuss is going to make 150k, which one helps you more towards Gawn?

Treacy at 102k puts all the other positions in play as pathways to Gawn, Marshall doubles that if you like him as a starting pick.

Again, I actually like Preuss, I think he can actually make 200k and that's he's a justifiable pick as an R3 even because that cash generation trumps a dead R3 (whether it's worth the starting capital is a genuine debate for that choice). I think there's a case for him starting at R2 even, just that people should analyse that decision on merit and not conflated scenarios that distort the real picture.

Ultimately it's simple, pick Preuss because he is a good pick. Remove everything else from the scenario, compare him to his peers, which are cash cows for all but the most optimistic of Preuss fans, and then pick him if he stacks up. FWIW I think his job security, very high ceiling (proven 140 at least) and role all support him as a starting pick but he needs to be a good starting pick whether Gawn averages 80, 120 or 140 and none of those outcomes change Preuss' as a pick in any way (well, technically the 80 would shift the keeper level and could!).
 
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ROB's early draw looks very, very nice.

Cats
Swans
Suns
Roos
Dockers
Hawks

Thinking of starting with him (over Preuss) and Grundy as with this draw and a starting point of 570k I think he could get reasonably close to Gawn (650k ish) and only need 100k max to grab him all things going well.

ROB had a few big scores last season and I think is primed to break out, although expect him to dip mid year as comes up against Gawn & Grundy in quick succession.

Rounds 9-13 he has:

Eagles
Dees
Tigers
Pies
Saints
You only pick ROB if you think there is a significantly better chance than not that he is going to be a keeper. This is the stepping stone logic I mentioned above at an even uglier level if you're aiming or expecting anything less.

FWIW, I think you can make multiple cases for ROB hitting the premium level.

Natural progression towards 115 for him and Gawn or Grundy dropping to that level would have a keeper. 120 would take an awful lot of ruck improvement from him but it's not impossible either.

But yeah, this pick only makes sense if you're of the opinion that he's a keeper choice first, second and third. Fourth of not being a big jump to the big dogs is the worst case scenario you're hoping doesn't happen and definitely not a good reason to start him!
 
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You only pick ROB if you think there is a significantly better chance than not that he is going to be a keeper. This is the stepping stone logic I mentioned above at an even uglier level if you're aiming or expecting anything less.

FWIW, I think you can make multiple cases for ROB hitting the premium level.

Natural progression towards 115 for him and Gawn or Grundy dropping to that level would have a keeper. 120 would take an awful lot of ruck improvement from him but it's not impossible either.

But yeah, this pick only makes sense if you're of the opinion that he's a keeper choice first, second and third. Fourth of not being a big jump to the big dogs is the worst case scenario you're hoping doesn't happen and definitely not a good reason to start him!
What will scare me is that I'm backing him to score at keeper levels early doors and if he does then I'll have a hard time swapping him to Gawn around mid season.

The money I save going with Preuss over ROB isn't being put to much use anyway as I'm turning a solid forward stepping stone type into an even more expensive forward stepping stone type who's just as likely to not be a keeper anyway.

I'd rather only burn a trade and 100k getting Gawn then trying to find a workable F6 than the alternative.
 
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Loved this post. All of my best seasons have come from nailing a mid-priced ruck pick, and using the money to also nail an underpriced starter.

Optimising your side towards maximum team salary is an underrated way to think about picking your side.
Love to hear a more detailed discussion on this. People talk about ROIC as strong arguments behind the GnR strategy. I.e. more cash to put into premiums. But this obfuscated the reduced ROIC overall. If I could start a team of 22 players like preuss would I get a better onfeild ROIC?

Does anyone have a table of which teams have been the hardest for rucks to score against in 2019/2020?

Without any hard data, I don't want to generalise, but I would guess that coming up against Gawn/Grundy/Goldy/NN and the St Kilda pair would inhibit scoring somewhat.

I think Preuss could pump out some big scores this year for sure... but I'm nervous about waiting until R5 for him to really hit his stride and start making cash. It could be a tough SC start to the year as he is first double teamed by Marshall and Ryder in R1, easier against the Dockers in R2, then shown a lesson by Gawn in R3 before being run off the ground by Grundy in R4. There's a very good chance he may only average 80 odd in those first 4 weeks.
Yeah super tough early draw, and 80 avg over the first few weeks is not unlikely. Rucks don't score well against those opponents. But I expect him to hold his own and still be appreciating. After that I expect him to explode.

I'm starting Preuss. I expect Preuss to avg 95+ to the byes and be <25ppg short of keeper level.

I'm very happy with my expected ROIC on Preuss and look forward to seeing him develop in the role.

I'm also happy to put that capital to use and don't feel I'm short cash gen or points on field when compared to the GG line ups. For me that capital goes into many players and it's not a specific XvY that is easy to nail down.
 
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Further to the post above I just wanted to add some colour to my thinking on ROIC. I've used this in supporting my mid priced selections for a few years, but never had the stones to not spend the saved capital. If you could identify 22 Preuss like players (impossible) you could score more with less capital and build a higher value team. Have a look at the two scenarios below (bit of simplification but you'll get the drift).

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Further to the post above I just wanted to add some colour to my thinking on ROIC. I've used this in supporting my mid priced selections for a few years, but never had the stones to not spend the saved capital. If you could identify 22 Preuss like players (impossible) you could score more with less capital and build a higher value team. Have a look at the two scenarios below (bit of simplification but you'll get the drift).

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How did you come up with the 572K and 111 PPG for premiums out of interest? They sound about right, but odd numbers to settle on.

This looks good on the numbers, but trying to find 22 300K players that score 95 - good luck. You'll almost surely win the Mid Priced Madness comp if you can do that, but I wouldn't recommend trying it in SC - the odds of you succeeding are very minimal, and you get stuck with a rubbish team - I know from experience.
 
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They're called the ignore basket. If they're not a cash cow or a keeper, they shouldn't be in your sights. If you're picking players who aren't in your final side or best helping you upgrade, why are you picking them?



Call it a cash cow then if you want to put a singular definition into what a rookie pick is. I personally use the terms interchangeably because I think there are only two things a player should be picked for, they're either making you a ton of cash or they're a keeper.

Technically there is a 3rd group which is the late season downgrades who are just there to bank as much money as possible, add DPP flexibility and loopholing but they're not a starting team consideration.



I feel like you're obfuscating the point by focusing on the word rookie. Again, use cash cow if it's easier for you, but compared to other cash cows, most of whom cost ~124k, a 300k one has a very high standard required to be a good pick. I see an entire field, Marshall can start in the rucks and you can pick a cash cow at any other position. If DPP players didn't exist, then sure it becomes more of an OR discussion but you can pick a cash cow on any line in place of Preuss.

I also hate the idea of a stepping stone. It's a term that makes what is probably a bad pick sound like something good. If that stepping stone isn't producing more cash than cheaper options then you've just spent more money on a worse investment.



Repeat that first line to yourself. You've literally said that a 120k cash cow is a better pick than Preuss for cash generation. You're now arguing that keeping 180k in the bank makes it easier to upgrade in the future, another complete fallacy people are using to start Preuss. Just pick two 120k cash cows that are going to outcash Preuss and keep the money in the bank to make your Gawn upgrade, you're better off in every way, putting 180k into Preuss actually just puts that capital at risk for your plan if he fails or is injured (what if he goes 70, 70 and then gets injured for 10 in round 3 and drops 50k?).

You're again conflating Gawn's outcomes into Preuss' outcomes. I'm not saying start Gawn over Preuss, I'm questioning why you would start Preuss, based on the numbers you've given, over the other cash cows that you've admitted are better picks. If you said player X would make 200k and player Y would make 150k and neither is a keeper, why would you ever take player Y? (admittedly, there are reasons and Preuss actually has the strongest of those!).



Specific area, yes, isolated, no. I agree on the basic strategy, I totally disagree about shutting your mind off to the rest of the field being pathways to your end game. If Jackson Mead (I don't know why he's become my generic rookie guinea pig) is going to make 200k and Preuss is going to make 150k, which one helps you more towards Gawn?

Treacy at 102k puts all the other positions in play as pathways to Gawn, Marshall doubles that if you like him as a starting pick.

Again, I actually like Preuss, I think he can actually make 200k and that's he's a justifiable pick as an R3 even because that cash generation trumps a dead R3 (whether it's worth the starting capital is a genuine debate for that choice). I think there's a case for him starting at R2 even, just that people should analyse that decision on merit and not conflated scenarios that distort the real picture.

Ultimately it's simple, pick Preuss because he is a good pick. Remove everything else from the scenario, compare him to his peers, which are cash cows for all but the most optimistic of Preuss fans, and then pick him if he stacks up. FWIW I think his job security, very high ceiling (proven 140 at least) and role all support him as a starting pick but he needs to be a good starting pick whether Gawn averages 80, 120 or 140 and none of those outcomes change Preuss' as a pick in any way (well, technically the 80 would shift the keeper level and could!).
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How did you come up with the 572K and 111 PPG for premiums out of interest? They sound about right, but odd numbers to settle on.

This looks good on the numbers, but trying to find 22 300K players that score 95 - good luck. You'll almost surely win the Mid Priced Madness comp if you can do that, but I wouldn't recommend trying it in SC - the odds of you succeeding are very minimal, and you get stuck with a rubbish team - I know from experience.
Absolutely, this is really just theoretical argument to justify the inclusion of Preuss (and few more in my team...) certainly not 22. As for the figures:

111 PPG bullish average for premium = ((105*6)+(130*2)+(115*8)+(105*6))/22

572k maxed out the spend given the rookie spend.
 
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How did you come up with the 572K and 111 PPG for premiums out of interest? They sound about right, but odd numbers to settle on.

This looks good on the numbers, but trying to find 22 300K players that score 95 - good luck. You'll almost surely win the Mid Priced Madness comp if you can do that, but I wouldn't recommend trying it in SC - the odds of you succeeding are very minimal, and you get stuck with a rubbish team - I know from experience.
Oh from one MPM fan to another... it works up to $409k :) and still be in front on points.
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