Discussion 2021: Strategy, Team & Player Discussions

[BlueNwhiteHoops]

Average to bad. Using AFL Stats Pro and classifying by defender only (no KPD) the majority range from the 78% to 85% range.

2020:
J Howe, J Sicily, L McDonald and J Ridley= 90% +
J Lloyd, L Whitfield, B Maynard, J Crisp and N Haynes= 86 to 89%
S Hurn, D Rich, S Docherty, C Daniel, J Lukosius= 80% to 85%
T Stewart, J Short, Z Williams and B Smith= Below 80

Legend.

Your stats get me hot and bothered as always.

 

[Vicwood]

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I find that interesting, why are you not at all keen on Heppell as an option if he is fit? Seems to me like a lock if he's fit. I have both Preuss and Heppell atm, if I had to pick one I'm picking a fit Heppell as he should go 95-105.

Not sure why people are so keen on Hately, he has no proven history as a scorer and is only in his 3rd year so I would very very surprised if he averages 105. He's going to get more mid time but he was a no. 14 draft pick (not a massively rated junior talent) and has shown very little in scoring ability so far in his career.

Hepple injury free and on midfield rotation is a Lock for me.

 

[Bontempele]

Which is fair enough , so he then gets to say $ 425 k.

I gather you then plan to upgrade him so you are still looking at downgrading 2 players (say a downgrade is worth $ 125 k) to get him to a Gawn/Grundy if their price actually drops enough.

So I am not sure what your reply actually means to be honest.

To me it seems we always have fallen mids during the Byes around $ 525-$550 k mark so it would make more sense to start Heppell as a mid rather than Preuss as a ruck (if they are expected to average the same , as theoretically it should be a lot cheaper to upgrade to a fallen mid than a Gawn/Grundy)

So I guess I was going for something like this with the rookie vs Preuss comparison:
Example: Preuss 85 ave + Ridley 100 = 185 vs Gawn 135 + rookie 55 = 190.

Because the rookie is slightly better value, you're likely to gain more points per game (and more cash) from that option. But if the rookie gets dropped for example, the Preuss option is gonna be better for many reasons.

I don't think there will be any extra downgrades with the Preuss option. Going Preuss (400k) to Gawn (700k) would require about 300k (so about two downgrades). Going rookie (250k) to Whitfield (550k) would require similar cash generation.

The key point is that rookies are better value, but hold the risk of being dropped or scoring 30s like Cavarra/Mcasey.

 

[Herbie66]

So I guess I was going for something like this with the rookie vs Preuss comparison:
Example: Preuss 85 ave + Ridley 100 = 185 vs Gawn 135 + rookie 55 = 190.

Because the rookie is slightly better value, you're likely to gain more points per game (and more cash) from that option. But if the rookie gets dropped for example, the Preuss option is gonna be better for many reasons.

I don't think there will be any extra downgrades with the Preuss option. Going Preuss (400k) to Gawn (700k) would require about 300k (so about two downgrades). Going rookie (250k) to Whitfield (550k) would require similar cash generation.

The key point is that rookies are better value, but hold the risk of being dropped or scoring 30s like Cavarra/Mcasey.

Ok that makes a lot more sense.

I can't get my brain to think completely AFL SC at the moment.

Yes I know only too well how frustrating rookies can be with scoring or being dropped after 3-4 games and never making any meaningful money.

I guess the advantage of Preuss this year is Marshall as a F/R to act as insurance if Preuss doesn't score well enough , I guess if you move Marshall to the ruck line then you will need to upgrade that player to a Gawn/Grundy eventually.

Be interesting seeing the discussions over starting Preuss v the similar priced mid options v the forward options.

Thanks for the explanation

 

[Spots]

Any Eagles supporters whom can update on Bailey Williams F/R and Hutchings M/F

Will Bailey be working as relief for Nic Nat with time spent forward. ?

And is Hutchings "Fit" and guarenteed a starting role in the team. Every team needs a no nonsense tagger.

I’m interested in Williams... longer quarters will mean more game time/ruck time for a No.2 ruck as NicNats TOG reverts back to normal levels - what is he priced at for 2021?

 

[Under The Dome]

I’m interested in Williams... longer quarters will mean more game time/ruck time for a No.2 ruck as NicNats TOG reverts back to normal levels - what is he priced at for 2021?

193,400.

 

[Spots]

193,400.

That’s a bit higher than I would’ve liked...

 

[Vicwood]

That’s a bit higher than I would’ve liked...

Does he get the role of Nic Nat’s deputy.? Maybe a bit of time in the FWD Line.

 

[Spots]

Does he get the role of Nic Nat’s deputy.? Maybe a bit of time in the FWD Line.

Yeah he will get a run FWD too - his TOG was only 70% in his 3 games last year and he only averaged 19 ruck contests each game but I see that going up as NicNats TOG reduces, doubt his scoring will be high enough to justify a $193k price tag though, solid JS though I reckon

 

[Spots]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1343531459064131585

 

[BIGB0Y]

Green, Heppell, hatley.... who would be picking? Or can you start all 3 off them?

 

[Toothless Tigers]

What are people thoughts on Zorko vs Cripps?

Instead of starting Cripps in the centre, what about Zorko (Age: 31yr 10mth ) or does his age preclude him and you move Laird and add an extra defender?

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pu-brisbane-lions--dayne-zorko

 

[Toothless Tigers]

Green, Heppell, hatley.... who would be picking? Or can you start all 3 off them?

Being a Green fan, I hope he moves to the Tigers (Michael Green - Grandfather), however, he is priced awkwardly for a player who has played 6 games

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pu-greater-western-sydney-giants--tom-green

 

[BIGB0Y]

Is Zac Williams over rated?

 

[BC]

Man I love Greene's price up fwd. Is he anchored in that fwd line more than ever now with Cameron gone?

 

[BlueNwhiteHoops]

Is Zac Williams over rated?

Scored pretty well when playing mid at the Giants.

 

[Vicwood]

What are people thoughts on Zorko vs Cripps?

Instead of starting Cripps in the centre, what about Zorko (Age: 31yr 10mth ) or does his age preclude him and you move Laird and add an extra defender?
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https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pu-brisbane-lions--dayne-zorko

With M/F status one to consider. Great POD.

 

[Bomber18]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1343697048822935553

 

[Herbie66]

@Connoisseur

Look at this one :-

Rowell
Taranto
Green
Caldwell F/M
Heppell
Sier
Hately
Phillips (Kangaroos)

Hutchings F/M
Powell (Kangaroos)
Davies (Gold Coast)

 

[Darkie]

What are people thoughts on Zorko vs Cripps?

Instead of starting Cripps in the centre, what about Zorko (Age: 31yr 10mth ) or does his age preclude him and you move Laird and add an extra defender?
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https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pu-brisbane-lions--dayne-zorko

Personally I think Cripps has significantly more upside, and probably less downside (other than maybe game count).

Starting a Danger, Dunkley, Laird type in the mids is perfectly viable and a logical idea to explore if your structure looks better that way.