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Does anyone have structures available for the round #1 teams that did really well this season? I thought we had a reveal thread round #1 teams but I'm struggling to locate that thread.

Even if anyone form the top 1000 here could link their round 1 teams I'd be keen for a look.
I'm planning to update a topic where I was going to analyse various starting teams from last year within the next week or so. I was originally going to review these teams a few rounds in (to determine a better starting team than what I did start with), then again at the end of the season. I ended up ranked top 400 after 3 rounds though, so thought I'd just do a year end review instead. Need to get it done before they archive all the 2021 stats and roll out the 2022 pricing for everyone...

I know my starting team was still not the optimum structure, I just got a bit lucky.
 
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Does anyone have structures available for the round #1 teams that did really well this season? I thought we had a reveal thread round #1 teams but I'm struggling to locate that thread.

Even if anyone form the top 1000 here could link their round 1 teams I'd be keen for a look.
Someone could probably put the links together to get some real data, but from memory (and it's getting hazy), the top teams structured up something like...

4 x Prem DEF + Cumming type D5
OR 5 x Prem DEF

5 x Mid prem + Powell, Jordon, Gulden

Gawn & Grundy or one of them with Flynn
(I think it was @Lgndhen23 who rode Hickey a long way for a great rank, but can't remember how he started)

1 or 2 x Fwd prem and usually two of Ziebell, Daniher, Impey.

Good structures seemed to be driven by a few very 2021 characteristics:
  • Backline rookie drought
  • Solid top set of mid premiums
  • Rookie rucks (yes or no)
  • Viable sub $300k FWD mid pricers
A couple of those look like getting a repeat again I think 🤔
 
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I'm going to keep rolling some names off for discussion, don't mind me.

Jack Sinclair - can he improve on his numbers? Ex-midfielder finding a new role as that attacking HBF at Saints and listed as a defender.

George Hewett - proven scorer in the right role - does he get the right role at Carlton? Good price, new coach and now listed as a defender sub $400k.

Jarrod Berry at Brisbane - 2020 and 2019 numbers are worth looking at noting he's sub $270k - groin injuries are nothing to ignore but there's no doubt if he puts 22 games in next season at around $270k he'll be a good pick-up.

Matt Crouch - was keen to have a look at his price of $480k but just reading his groin injury required surgery in late October so for me he'd want to put together a strong Feb/Mar to even be considered.
 
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Really like jarrod Berry.
Could you put him down as an expensive rookie?
If not his no good for my structural in the mid 5 premos 3 rookies.
 
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I'm going to keep rolling some names off for discussion, don't mind me.

Jack Sinclair - can he improve on his numbers? Ex-midfielder finding a new role as that attacking HBF at Saints and listed as a defender.

George Hewett - proven scorer in the right role - does he get the right role at Carlton? Good price, new coach and now listed as a defender sub $400k.

Jarrod Berry at Brisbane - 2020 and 2019 numbers are worth looking at noting he's sub $270k - groin injuries are nothing to ignore but there's no doubt if he puts 22 games in next season at around $270k he'll be a good pick-up.

Matt Crouch - was keen to have a look at his price of $480k but just reading his groin injury required surgery in late October so for me he'd want to put together a strong Feb/Mar to even be considered.
Jack Sinclair, yes he can, but can he improve to 100 average.? Hunter Clark on watch.
George Hewett i reckon he does and is locked into my early team.
Jarrod Berry; can he stay on the field? massive upside if he can. Can Average 95+ to the byes. Preseason Watch.
Matt Crouch put a line through him. Way to risky.
 
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What structure are teams going with in the midfield?
I was going with 5 premos, now I’m thinking 4. There seems like there is to much cash to generate in players like Berry, Caldwell, constable, Horne-Francis, daicos,ward, Hobbs.
I think nailing those 200k players this year is key but there is so many how many do you choose all up?
Def Milera 271k
Def/fwd Coleman 261k
Mid J Berry 268k
Mid Caldwell 266k
Mid Constable 213k
Ruck Preuss 204k
Mid/fwd Gresham 299k
Fwd Rayner 278k
Mid/fwd Cogs 261k
Fwd Charlie Curnow 224k
 
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What structure are teams going with in the midfield?
I was going with 5 premos, now I’m thinking 4. There seems like there is to much cash to generate in players like Berry, Caldwell, constable, Horne-Francis, daicos,ward, Hobbs.
I think nailing those 200k players this year is key but there is so many how many do you choose all up?
Def Milera 271k
Def/fwd Coleman 261k
Mid J Berry 268k
Mid Caldwell 266k
Mid Constable 213k
Ruck Preuss 204k
Mid/fwd Gresham 299k
Fwd Rayner 278k
Mid/fwd Cogs 261k
Fwd Charlie Curnow 224k
Think pick 2-3, allows you to trade one. Prioritise most uncertain line or one lack cheap rookies, probably defence then forward/rucks.
 
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What structure are teams going with in the midfield?
I was going with 5 premos, now I’m thinking 4. There seems like there is to much cash to generate in players like Berry, Caldwell, constable, Horne-Francis, daicos,ward, Hobbs.
I think nailing those 200k players this year is key but there is so many how many do you choose all up?
Def Milera 271k
Def/fwd Coleman 261k
Mid J Berry 268k
Mid Caldwell 266k
Mid Constable 213k
Ruck Preuss 204k
Mid/fwd Gresham 299k
Fwd Rayner 278k
Mid/fwd Cogs 261k
Fwd Charlie Curnow 224k
Cogs: if fit. LOCK
Pruess at R3 if fit LOCK will make 250K, can he stay fit????. 8 games before the byes please
Constable, gets the midfield role. LOCK
Berry; how does he blend into a stacked midfield at the lions. Absoulte GUN. Pre Season Watch.
Milera: Pass, soft tissue injury concern.
Coleman: pass. is he top 22 at the lions.?
Caldwell: stacked midfield, cannot see too much tiime in the engine room. McGrath and Shiel back, addition of Hobbs, Perkins.?
Gresham:potential keeper FWD. Pre Season Watch on role.
Rayner: always cautious on players returning from ACL. Lions are stacked with on ballers.
Curnow; Tempting but you have cogs at F3 or F4 depending on structure.
 
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Someone could probably put the links together to get some real data, but from memory (and it's getting hazy), the top teams structured up something like...

4 x Prem DEF + Cumming type D5
OR 5 x Prem DEF

5 x Mid prem + Powell, Jordon, Gulden

Gawn & Grundy or one of them with Flynn
(I think it was @Lgndhen23 who rode Hickey a long way for a great rank, but can't remember how he started)

1 or 2 x Fwd prem and usually two of Ziebell, Daniher, Impey.

Good structures seemed to be driven by a few very 2021 characteristics:
  • Backline rookie drought
  • Solid top set of mid premiums
  • Rookie rucks (yes or no)
  • Viable sub $300k FWD mid pricers
A couple of those look like getting a repeat again I think 🤔
I did start with both Gawn and grundy

Yet decided to trade out Grundy when he got injured, picked up hickey who ended up averaging more than grundy for last part of the year

Will be looking at Darcy and Gawn/Grundy I reckon this year
 
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The thing with Darcy and for me is that it's hard to see him being anymore than 5ppg better than Gawn or Grundy, in fact it's still hard for me to see him over the season accumulating anymore points than the latter two when you factor in his missed games through injury.

That being said, I missed Gawn's breakout year because I said exactly the same thing.

He's a high risk low reward player for me over 23 rounds

The good thing is that moving from him to any other player is relatively easy given his price which has been unheard of these last few years in the ruck line.
I actually think Darcy is high risk and high reward. Durability is a major issue and his hatred of preseasons and the hard work side of things definitely don't help that. If he shows up in actual shape for the first time ever he'd be a lock for mine. Real easy eye test to make on him as he does not carry the weight well either. Otherwise he'll play himself into shape like he always has but if he's fit from round 1 he definitely has 125+ potential. He's like a Mumford with ruck skills which is an enormous SC package.

Rucks are going to be very interesting this year.


As always an enjoyable read.

Thoughts on Constable if he can get pure midfield role. ?
Had him below the cutoff point as a rookie for me, which means he's a pretty solid pick if he's there round 1 with a decent role. Can really find the pill but doesn't do much with it.

GC have a surprisingly loaded midfield, albeit stacked with middle to upper rather than elite, so it wont be an easy task but definitely on the watchlist.

Prue


Pruess, gaurenteed he will miss games, but just so cheap hard to ignore. Pruess could easily make 300K before the byes.

Been messing around with Ladhams,on the off chance Hickey gets injured before RD1. Another option is to run a cheaper R2 {witts draper) and sit pruess on the Bench.? Currently Plan B is in effect.
Preuss still has to win the #1 gig, I thought Flynn was terrific last year, looked great, and if he can have a big preseason and build his base he's shown more than Preuss at AFL level. That said, if Preuss can nail the #1 spot, he's a complete lock.

Good notes regarding Jackson, he has an immense amount of talent and I reckon will get in the way of Gawn's scoring even more this season. My question would be how often have players gone over 90+ playing as the second ruck? I'm not sure myself. I can definitely see him going 80-90, but 90+ might be a stretch on the surface.
Like him, he's a tough pick though as have to think the KPF guys will be fit from round one which makes him a lesser target up front which means he needs to do more ruck scoring. I think he does improve his role to the detriment of Gawn, unless the Demons regress and get desperate in the regular season I think we see a genuine ruck share there.

Basically think he's capable but it's tough as ruck share is very hard, not many have managed it. If Gawn misses a few games then the equation shifts rapidly though and that's definitely always possible.


Does anyone have structures available for the round #1 teams that did really well this season? I thought we had a reveal thread round #1 teams but I'm struggling to locate that thread.

Even if anyone form the top 1000 here could link their round 1 teams I'd be keen for a look.
I don't feel like I did really well but I did crack the top 1000 criteria (just)... fwiw my starting structure last year was as follows:

D: 5 Premium, 3 rookies.
M: 4 Premium, 2 High Mid (Taranto/Cripps), 5 rookies.
R: 1 Premium, 2 rookies
F: 1 Premium, 1 High Mid (Phillips), 1 Low Mid (Ziebell) and 5 rookies.

I traded pretty aggressively early to add Impey, Cumming and Hind to sure up the forwards/backs and should have just started them in the first place like I had for most of the preseason :LOL:

I made a mess of the starting team and many of my trades, I still think that at the end of the day the rookies dictate everything, last year trying to have "balance" and pick extra rookie backs was probably the quickest path to self defeat. You pick the best cash cows first and then you see what you can fit around it!
 
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Thrown together my first draft team so figured I'd throw it up... I've done no bye analysis at all so it could be horrific on that front :LOL:

Backs

Lloyd - He's pretty much locked in right now for me as long as his preseason is good, which given I haven't started him in about 3 years is a pretty strong comment. Dawson gone, Mills established in the midfield. I think he's fairly to under priced and a good bet for top back.

Hall - HB is a position that durability bounces upwards in, his scoring playing it was elite and he's underpriced from the first few games before the move. Gun to my head he's my pick for top scoring back next year.

Ridley - Lot of unknowns here and the way he finished last year is very concerning, I'm hoping Kelly frees him up but will be quick to move on if I don't like preseason role. Very underpriced on what he can do.

Short - Basically think that the Stewart down to Dale group is much of a muchness so I've got the ultra durable guy on the lower end of the pricing.

4x Rookies - Nothing on this yet.

Mids

Steele - Honestly, choosing between them all was very hard this year, I like Steele so first draft honours are his.

Miller - Ditto.

Petracca - I expect him to continue his 2nd half form, his scoring playing too much forward when the KP guys were out was not good but after Brown, in particular, returned he went to the midfield and well the rest is history. Averaged 127.5 from when Brown came back late in the season.

Neale - Value priced, hard to ignore if he looks fit.

Berry - Ditto, he's barely above rookie priced for a guy who I genuinely had in a draft team last year as capable of becoming a keeper. Needs a flawless preseason though given his durability concerns.

6x rookies - I've got a lot of the premium priced guys right now (Constable, JHF & Daicos) but it doesn't mean much now.

Rucks

Grundy - With no certainty whatsoever, basically he's got the better narrative to get back to 125+ of the top 4 but I have concerns on all the guys. Preseason will be huge this year for rucks and I'm definitely tempted by some of the midprice guys for time to assess this year.

Preuss - For now, has to win the spot, has to look good doing it but he's too cheap to ignore.

Rookie - No idea here, I'll always take the cash cow over the R/F if it exists. Haven't fallen in love with a R/F (Marshall was a lock if he had it!) so no need yet either.

Forwards

Dunkley/Duncan - Easy theory here, if they stay fit they're 110+ and on another level to all the other guys, their injuries last year have them priced well below that. Thus they're value and the best two forwards, imo. JDG was the other guy in this group for mine and he's most likely ruled himself out. Wingard perhaps the other depending on how Mitchell plans to use him though signs were very good to end last year.

Rioli - Value and role. 85 over the last 6 weeks in the role and looked the goods. Houli retirement makes it a stronger role and no one else really offers what he does outside Short who takes the attention. D/F an added bonus. Think he can push 90+ with a full preseason learning the role and the confidence that comes with that. Plenty of others I'm watching in this price range.

Nash - Much more speculative but also a ton of other options to play with. Loved how he looked as a big inside midfielder for them to end last year. Will be watching very closely in preseason to see if that continues. Negative is he's so bad everywhere else and it's such a small sample but watching.

K. Coleman - Same story as Rioli, Birchall retirement opens the door for the secondary rebounding role behind Rich, which should be an 85+ role for someone dynamic like Coleman.

Coniglio - Locked at this price. Really doesn't need to do anything special to justify selection here except be fit.

2x Rookies - Will be interesting to see where the rookie options fall out, positive is both Coleman and Rioli can flip back for me if rookies dictate it.

Pretty vanilla mix this time around, lets see how it changes from here :)
 
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