Discussion 2022: Rate My Team

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My personal projections at this point:

Below should be pretty clear but just in case...

Flawless season - Stays fit and has the best role for them, both these are huge factors for a lot of this list. For many of them, this is a very unrealistic outcome, for some it is not.
Expectation - Given the above this is basically a durability/role check.
Floor - Role/body fails them type scoring. Note this doesn't factor a season ending injury where you'd trade them but for some of these guys, that should be on the table.

Player - Flawless Season / Expectation / Floor

Dunkley - 120+ / 98-108 / 88 - Role & durability both are issues
Duncan - ~110 / 97-107 / 93 - Durability has been an issue, scores well in all roles but floats between better/worse ones
Taranto - ~110 / 82-98 / 82 - Role is a huge factor here
Hawkins - ~105 / 85-95 / 80 - Known quantity but expect more teammate impact this year
Stringer - 110+ / 85-105 / 70s - Role is a big question but he's enigmatic well beyond that, happy to react rather than start him
Martin - ~115 / 95-105 / 90 - Safe type, perfect role can score better but would be unexpected at this point
Wingard - ~110 / 85-100 / 78 - Role/durability major issues and scoring varies massively on both of those.
Greene - 130+ / 88-98 / 84 - He's not getting the flawless role but if he did, get him.
Dixon - Injured but just use his last 3 seasons and knock 10-20% of this worst season for the no preseason factor as the floor :LOL:
McEvoy - ~105 / 80-95 / 75 - Sole ruck not likely, solid 2nd ruck scorer.
Treloar - ~115 / 90-105 / 85 - Durability a huge issue, don't expect that top role this year but hard to know how close he gets to it, also the durability is a major factor in last years average so even without the top role, he gets closer to the high end of his range if he stays fit.
English - ~110 / 80-95 / 85 - Depends on ruck time/share.
Sidebottom - ~105 / 85-95 / 80 - No idea on role but he scores in most.
Walker - Suspended, irrelevant, surely?
TMac - ~100 / 75-95 / 60 - Way too much can go wrong here based on his last 4 seasons.
De Goey - 115 / 80-110 / 80 - Durability and no idea on his role, hopefully that range will tighten considerably.
Buddy - Misses too many games, don't!
Bailey - ~110 / 80-95 / 80 - Would take injuries for him to get the role this year, imo.
Thomas - ~110 / 94-110 / 80 - I'm hoping to tighten this range also with more role/physique certainty.
Bolton - ~105 / 82-95 / 80 - Role questions again here, midfield I think he can score very well.
Graham - ~110 / 85-105 / 80 - I'm expecting him to make a full time midfield move this year but he might not, hence huge range.
Gray - Nope
Heeney - ~120 / 85-110 / 84 - Durability is the biggest concern, role is secondary. He's got the talent to be anything in the midfield in a pure role, expecting a more peripheral 4th mid/wing type role, should kick more goals from midfield like most elite midfielders that can play forward do (Martin, Bont and Petracca for example). If he stays relatively fit I think he's in the 95-110 range but him staying fit is enough of an issue to drop the range to factor that in.
Butters - ~110 / 82-110 / 82 - Have no feel on his role yet, hence huge range but pretty confident he improves on last year.
McKay - ~105 / 85-95 / 75 - Actually expecting big things from him this year.
Gulden - ~105 / 82-92 / 80 - Role will be huge here but a midfield role would make him very interesting.

"Likely" position change guys:

Fyfe - ~125 / 90-110 / 90 - No idea on role/fitness right now.
Zorko - ~115 / 90-110 / 90 - The more likely he is to get forward, the lower on that range he goes.
Boak - ~110 / 90-105 / 90 - Same as Zorko, someone has to share time with Rozee/Butters, he makes the most sense.
Danger - ~125 / 95-120 / 95 - Haven't actually heard anything on his fitness, if it's bad that low end probably drops to 90, again, lower range is the more likely he's a forward.
Greenwood - ~105 / 80-95 / 80 - I'm expecting he plays forward mostly for NM, which puts him in the middle of that range, full time forward is the low end. Durability also could be an issue.
Yeo - ~110 / 85-105 / 85 - Apparently already in doubt for round one, could be a guy who starts forward as he eases back and becomes a very viable pick in the round 12 position changes if that happens and he looks good.
Cripps - ~125 / 80 - 120 / 80 - Genuinely clueless here but he's absolutely on the lower end of the range if he gets forward.
Billings - ~115 / 80 - 95 / 80 - He's not getting that top role it would seem (inside mid) and the more likely he is to get forward the closer to that 80 he gets.
Marshall - ~115 / 95-110 / 90 - Another who the lower he goes on that range, the more likely he gets FWD, also one who is very dependent on the health of another player as well as his own shaky durability.
Again this is amazing , seriously need to start printing off a lot of your posts , provide a wealth of information.

Think the forward line was already looking interesting (who does/who doesn't take the next step) even before they mentioned the new DPP assignments in season (fascinating to see who does and doesn't get it and if and when they do , Round 13 - > might be even more beneficial than Round 7 - >

I am very keen to start Dunkley , Duncan , Heeney , Coniglio & Curnow so hoping that's the right choice.

If I go heavy mid rookies to start (looks likely at this stage) , my focus will be probably on premium mid upgrades initially so can play the waiting game on some forward upgrades (fingers crossed)

Great insights
 
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I have gone short in the midfield to strengthen the defence and forwards.

Def - 4 Premium
Hopefully higher value rookies have a bit of longevity.

Mid - 3 Premium
Bit of a gamble, hopefully higher value rookies have a bit of longevity.

Ruck - 2 Premium
I have gone Naitanui as a POD but also the bye split is 1-1-1.

Fwd - 3 Premium
Strongest line, but could easily go belly up.

Keeping a lookout for Will Phillips to slot into the forwards.

Let me know what you think, appreciate the feedback.
 
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After another few hours of tinkering, the squad is beginning to come together.


J Lloyd, J Ridley, J Short, K Coleman, B Kemp, W Kelly. (N O'Driscoll, B Uwland.)

J Macrae, C Oliver, T Mitchell, J Dunkley, L Neale, C Constable, J Horne-Francis, N Diacos.
(M Roberts, E Smith, G Clark.)

B Grundy, O McInerney. (C Comben.)

A Treloar, I Heeney, Z Butters, S Coniglio, C Curnow, E Hollands. (S De Koning, C Parker.)

Happy with the team balance and still a few X v Y's to work through.
T Mitchell and C Constable v L Whitfield and M Rowell is doing my head in.
 
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Some interesting analysis has been done on the starting teams of the last 4 winners in DT with the basic takeaways being:

Average Premiums 6.8
Average discounted premiums 3.4
Average midpricers 7.0
Average rookies 4.8

Also, none of the teams started with the highest scoring players of the year before.

Obviously having nearly 50 trades in that format gives you a 'get out of jail free card' but the common denominator was the chasing of value and the average score above starting price was around 20pts.

So I thought I might apply some of that logic to my starting team in SC this year.

Premiums 6.0.
Lloyd, Hall and Duncan I see as fairly priced with value picks in Mitchell, Walsh and Petracca, plus I haven't taken any of the top 6 mids from last year, hoping to target 3 of them in my upgrades.

Lloyd
Hall
Mitchell
Walsh
Petracca
Duncan

Discounted Premiums 6.0
I've included De Goey, Thomas and Heeney here as I see considerable upside in their SP's with an opportunity to become keepers.

Sicily
Jelly
Neale
De Goey
Thomas
Heeney

Midpricers 6.0
For me they're all stepping stones.

Rioli
Coleman
Witts
Reeves
Cogs
Curnow

Rookies (placeholders) 4.0

SDK
JHF
Daicos
Maginness

My planning revolves around upgrading the 6 MP's before the bye rnds with the final 4 upgrades completed by the end of the byes. Maginness will go FWD using Curnow to upgrade, O'Driscoll will go to DEF using Rioli to upgrade, I'd think that Daicos would get DEF DPP so he'll go back using Coleman to upgrade. My 1st priority though will be upgrading Reeves to a ruck that is showing good scoring (I'm not sure on any of the rucks ATS) I'm trusting Witts at R1 until his bye in rnd13.
You could
This feels absolutely mad... and yet.

Can ignore the rookies for the most part, obviously.
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i like the structure thinking of running something similar.
 
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Didn't get far though this list yet, but except for last year and 2015, Duncan has been pretty durable. In 8 of the 9 seasons from 2012 - 2020 he missed 5 games total. That's better than most players. Possibly some concerns after last season I guess.
Historically strong but has missed games over both the last 2 seasons, starting to pick up niggles a lot more commonly and at his age that's a concern. Especially given the history of those ironmen types who rarely missed games falling off cli*** when the body does start to give in.

I still like him as a pick but given it's my only real concern on him I do need to mention it. If you told me I need to pick one forward to average 100+, he'd be my first pick though this year.

I’ve got the exact same structure. Really like it but I think you have to start macrae or Steele or it might be hard to get them lat

They are some handy players to drop into the fwd line. You think it’s better just to start Dunkley/Duncan or Dunkley/heeney and midprices and wait for the dpp’s?
Pick the ones you like the most and that doesn't compromise your intended structure. Duncan is a safer pick than Heeney by a fair margin, if that 90k isn't hurting elsewhere he's the better pick, if that 90k is adding genuine value and you think Heeney can score well, then he makes more sense.

Ultimately it's kind of futile to try and make these calls now as the rookies will dictate structures as they always have. For all our best laid plans, if 5 rookie forwards and 0 rookie defenders appear at round 1, then that is how we will structure :LOL:

Again this is amazing , seriously need to start printing off a lot of your posts , provide a wealth of information.

Think the forward line was already looking interesting (who does/who doesn't take the next step) even before they mentioned the new DPP assignments in season (fascinating to see who does and doesn't get it and if and when they do , Round 13 - > might be even more beneficial than Round 7 - >

I am very keen to start Dunkley , Duncan , Heeney , Coniglio & Curnow so hoping that's the right choice.

If I go heavy mid rookies to start (looks likely at this stage) , my focus will be probably on premium mid upgrades initially so can play the waiting game on some forward upgrades (fingers crossed)

Great insights
I'm liking the low end mid price group again this year, perhaps it's a bias given how good that price group was last year, but I genuinely like the group of options as players. Coleman, Berry, Coniglio, Curnow, Milera and several others are all priced just right for the numbers to really work. Even Rowell/Rioli have strong narratives this year at a fair bit higher price.

The only thing I will say is that outside of Coniglio I think the keeper narrative is pretty weak on all those guys. I can make it for a couple of them, but it's not really my expected outcome. The issue if you take too many of those is that you're effectively picking "rookies" that need upgrading and while they become 1.5 trade upgrades (hopefully), it's still something you've got to factor in to the overall structure. When the upgrade trade count goes much above 24, perhaps a few higher this year, you're going to have a lot of issues getting the team done quick enough to actually be competitive. Especially if you cop a few injuries along the way.
 
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After getting side tracked on more than one occasion I have fallen into this. Still unsure about how I got here but I certainly don’t dislike it. I am usually a five mid set up but can live with four. And this set up gives me plenty of cash for early upgrades which I prefer.

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Not sure about Whitfield and Sicily together. Had Hayden Young D4 but as much as I like him, hard to go past Sicily for only 30k more. Leek could be Kemp.

Love that there is a mid called Goater. Surely a future Brownlow winner. Need to look at getting a M/F on the mid bench.

Akuei is just hold but a cheap R3 is where I would be going. Especially if one appears that may not be an early starter but looks like he could be in around rd 7 or 8. That way I have FD early then a cash cow later.

Forward rookies are flexible
 
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Cobbled together a plan if the DEF & FWD rookies are thin on the ground.
Not my preferred lineup, but may have to go there out of necessity.
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I like how you've spent up big on the rookies, Williams at F6 looks a good shout to help cover the rucks with Comben. Others might say that you're holding too much cash on the bench but I reckon a good solid bench is the way to go this year, maybe another DEF/MID to swing with Sinn would be handy, someone like O'Driscoll who has been talked up a bit.
 
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Cobbled together a plan if the DEF & FWD rookies are thin on the ground.
Not my preferred lineup, but may have to go there out of necessity.
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Whats the talk on Answerth. Looks to be HB with Coleman in trial game, any guide to his scoring capability, is there two spots available?

solid set up, think Rachele fwd instead of BW and gives you another solid mid rookie.
 
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Whats the talk on Answerth. Looks to be HB with Coleman in trial game, any guide to his scoring capability, is there two spots available?

solid set up, think Rachele fwd instead of BW and gives you another solid mid rookie.
All I've got on Answerth is a quick mention here : https://supercoachscores.com/threads/intra-club-training-reports.4794/#post-827529
He's just on my watch list atm.
BW is one I'm looking at to see how he plays out with NicNat. Any observations from out west?
 
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All I've got on Answerth is a quick mention here : https://supercoachscores.com/threads/intra-club-training-reports.4794/#post-827529
He's just on my watch list atm.
BW is one I'm looking at to see how he plays out with NicNat. Any observations from out west?
Like many, locked out of the west, based in Sydney.

However, Oscar Allen is third tall and helped out in the ruck, maybe not all the time though. He has a 63 ave and priced 346k. NN TOG did pick up through the year and hard to say does that start lower early, probably.

Still, Allen is a gun, as a forward, similar to Heeney. BW is developing and maybe more stay at home big man. I looked at Bailey, just felt he may only make you $75-100k at best. That could be generous end and take a while.
 
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Take 3? I've removed CCJ due to popular demand, but I refuse to add Kid Coleman yet out of spite. 😁

One unique added as D5, if you can't recruit your own, add a departed player. In all seriousness SPS could have an amazing season whether he plays half back or rotating on the ball. My new addition at F3 has had a better pre-season albeit spending more time with the Bont who has been a leading example from an elite trainer to diet. Hopefully we see noticeable improvement to last year.

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Take 3? I've removed CCJ due to popular demand, but I refuse to add Kid Coleman yet out of spite. 😁

One unique added as D5, if you can't recruit your own, add a departed player. In all seriousness SPS could have an amazing season whether he plays half back or rotating on the ball. My new addition at F3 has had a better pre-season albeit spending more time with the Bont who has been a leading example from an elite trainer to diet. Hopefully we see noticeable improvement to last year.

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I was wondering when someone would throw JUH into a team :). If there weren't so many mids running around at the Doggies already he'd probably be given some split time closer to the ball.

As it is, you'd want to back in some big spike scores as a pure forward... hard to do off a handful of games.
 
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I was wondering when someone would throw JUH into a team :). If there weren't so many mids running around at the Doggies already he'd probably be given some split time closer to the ball.

As it is, you'd want to back in some big spike scores as a pure forward... hard to do off a handful of games.
I know, he's replacing Bruce who's out for most of the year, but then O'Brien has been recruited from the Hawks. Kid Coleman is my break glass option.
 
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So this where I'm at and yesvI know it will be a pretty common structure, lol

$139k ITB

Lloyd, Short, Ridley, Sicily, Milera, Wilmot (Gould, O'Driscoll)
Macrae, Steele, Neale, Rowell, JHF, Daicos, Hobbs, Maginness (Clark, Goatee, Trew)
Darcy, Grundy (Comben)
Dunkley, Martin, Heeney, Coniglio, Curnow Holland's (Pedlar, De Konig)

Ideally would get Rowell up to Oliver/Mitchell, but it's a long way up.

One means would be Martin to another MP forward such as Brodie (but really not sure about that though)

Happy with Overall structure, but not really with Rowell at M4
 
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I like how you've spent up big on the rookies, Williams at F6 looks a good shout to help cover the rucks with Comben. Others might say that you're holding too much cash on the bench but I reckon a good solid bench is the way to go this year, maybe another DEF/MID to swing with Sinn would be handy, someone like O'Driscoll who has been talked up a bit.
This is a really good point on bench depth. It's likely that COVID wreaks havoc this year, every time someone from your bench can step up to avoid a donut you're going to be getting huge value on them.

Just being able to focus on the up/down cycle alone while picking up 40 odd points will have you well ahead of the pack. If it has even half the level of impact that I would expect then I think a lot of people are going to end up with the predicament of choosing between finishing their side and avoiding donuts throughout the season.

My singular focus on trade season will be staying on the upgrade tracks and not getting derailed or distracted by week to week noise.
 
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This is a really good point on bench depth. It's likely that COVID wreaks havoc this year, every time someone from your bench can step up to avoid a donut you're going to be getting huge value on them.

Just being able to focus on the up/down cycle alone while picking up 40 odd points will have you well ahead of the pack. If it has even half the level of impact that I would expect then I think a lot of people are going to end up with the predicament of choosing between finishing their side and avoiding donuts throughout the season.

My singular focus on trade season will be staying on the upgrade tracks and not getting derailed or distracted by week to week noise.
We should know early how it's going to pan out.
 
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This is a really good point on bench depth. It's likely that COVID wreaks havoc this year, every time someone from your bench can step up to avoid a donut you're going to be getting huge value on them.

Just being able to focus on the up/down cycle alone while picking up 40 odd points will have you well ahead of the pack. If it has even half the level of impact that I would expect then I think a lot of people are going to end up with the predicament of choosing between finishing their side and avoiding donuts throughout the season.

My singular focus on trade season will be staying on the upgrade tracks and not getting derailed or distracted by week to week noise.
Agree, based on the Age article suggesting top up players from the VFL etc if covid hits teams.

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