Position Forward Discussion

Is a fit and firing buddy at $394k worth the punt?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 34.0%
  • No

    Votes: 35 66.0%

  • Total voters
    53

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Yeah from what I understand, the plan in the 2017 draft was Allen at 13, Kelly at 21 and Ryan at 26. Brander was unexpectedly there at 13, then Allen also at 21... So we couldn't pass up two gun talls we highly rated. We all know Geelong then jumped in and got Kelly before our next pick.

For many years West Coast have been elite at developing and drafting elite talls... It's our mids we struggle identifying, Though to be fair we always enter the draft after the real elite mids are off the table.

So if this really is JK's last year, We have to get games into Brander so he can partner Allen & Darling up forward. It's hard to play Brander forward whilst JK is playing, so his versatility is a real bonus.

Hopefully we have a real handy SC pick on our hands (And player!!), lol
Great colour as always LITS, Brander sounds promising, and I recall previous comments (possibly yours!) indicating he had a lot of potential.

I was wondering about the point in your second last paragraph ... do WC try to find a way to rotate him through the forward line? It seems hard to see him as becoming a ready made replacement (alongside others) if he’s been playing wing.

Either way, at his price with DPP he sounds like he should be pretty high on the shortlist. Probably more a question of how high our expectations should be.
 
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Yeah from what I understand, the plan in the 2017 draft was Allen at 13, Kelly at 21 and Ryan at 26. Brander was unexpectedly there at 13, then Allen also at 21... So we couldn't pass up two gun talls we highly rated. We all know Geelong then jumped in and got Kelly before our next pick.

For many years West Coast have been elite at developing and drafting elite talls... It's our mids we struggle identifying, Though to be fair we always enter the draft after the real elite mids are off the table.

So if this really is JK's last year, We have to get games into Brander so he can partner Allen & Darling up forward. It's hard to play Brander forward whilst JK is playing, so his versatility is a real bonus.

Hopefully we have a real handy SC pick on our hands (And player!!), lol
Get insight from out west again LITS! Just wondering about the player that has been mentioned a few times here, JJK. There seems to be a lot of value up forward this year and I am including him in there at this stage. Has father time caught up with him or was he just that injured the last season and a half?
 
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Get insight from out west again LITS! Just wondering about the player that has been mentioned a few times here, JJK. There seems to be a lot of value up forward this year and I am including him in there at this stage. Has father time caught up with him or was he just that injured the last season and a half?
I'm hoping it's a repeat of the Frenchman's (Le Cras) last season... everyone thought he was shot at the end of the season before but then he got his body right again for one last ripping season. Last year JJk looked very stiff, sore and disinterested... I know in general he has never looked overly interested but combined with the rest gee he looked bad at times.
 
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Great colour as always LITS, Brander sounds promising, and I recall previous comments (possibly yours!) indicating he had a lot of potential.

I was wondering about the point in your second last paragraph ... do WC try to find a way to rotate him through the forward line? It seems hard to see him as becoming a ready made replacement (alongside others) if he’s been playing wing.

Either way, at his price with DPP he sounds like he should be pretty high on the shortlist. Probably more a question of how high our expectations should be.
Brander has been playing a combination of DEF & FWD in the WAFL over the last 2 season, I reckon his forward craft would be increasing with every game and training session. But when you have such a talented youngster like him, and in his 3rd year too, he's going to want to start playing games this year or might consider leaving. I think the club knows this. He won't want to keep sitting around in the reserves waiting until JK retires I don't think.

Best we get him into the team wherever we can now. He can rotate through the forward line at times when JK or Darling miss games, but at least he would be playing and getting experience.

Come next year, and if JK retires, Darling & Allen would lead the forward line, and Brander could shift forward where his natural instincts as a forward would take over. I just really think it's important to get him playing.

Get insight from out west again LITS! Just wondering about the player that has been mentioned a few times here, JJK. There seems to be a lot of value up forward this year and I am including him in there at this stage. Has father time caught up with him or was he just that injured the last season and a half?
He's been injured for many of the past pre-season's and like a lot I thought he was pretty much shot at times last season. That really affected his 2019 season.

Have caught a few training sessions so far and by all reports he looks the best he has in many years. I don't think he required any surgery post season, and he looks great out on track. Moving freely.

I won't be locking him in just yet, but I will be closely monitoring him. He's a great price ($335,600) and has a good ceiling so he could be a good option if he keep the body right over the rest of the pre-season.
 
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Brander has been playing a combination of DEF & FWD in the WAFL over the last 2 season, I reckon his forward craft would be increasing with every game and training session. But when you have such a talented youngster like him, and in his 3rd year too, he's going to want to start playing games this year or might consider leaving. I think the club knows this. He won't want to keep sitting around in the reserves waiting until JK retires I don't think.

Best we get him into the team wherever we can now. He can rotate through the forward line at times when JK or Darling miss games, but at least he would be playing and getting experience.

Come next year, and if JK retires, Darling & Allen would lead the forward line, and Brander could shift forward where his natural instincts as a forward would take over. I just really think it's important to get him playing.



He's been injured for many of the past pre-season's and like a lot I thought he was pretty much shot at times last season. That really affected his 2019 season.

Have caught a few training sessions so far and by all reports he looks the best he has in many years. I don't think he required any surgery post season, and he looks great out on track. Moving freely.

I won't be locking him in just yet, but I will be closely monitoring him. He's a great price ($335,600) and has a good ceiling so he could be a good option if he keep the body right over the rest of the pre-season.
Great insights mate but what about Waterman, where do you see his opportunities coming from?
 
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Brander has been playing a combination of DEF & FWD in the WAFL over the last 2 season, I reckon his forward craft would be increasing with every game and training session. But when you have such a talented youngster like him, and in his 3rd year too, he's going to want to start playing games this year or might consider leaving. I think the club knows this. He won't want to keep sitting around in the reserves waiting until JK retires I don't think.

Best we get him into the team wherever we can now. He can rotate through the forward line at times when JK or Darling miss games, but at least he would be playing and getting experience.

Come next year, and if JK retires, Darling & Allen would lead the forward line, and Brander could shift forward where his natural instincts as a forward would take over. I just really think it's important to get him playing.



He's been injured for many of the past pre-season's and like a lot I thought he was pretty much shot at times last season. That really affected his 2019 season.

Have caught a few training sessions so far and by all reports he looks the best he has in many years. I don't think he required any surgery post season, and he looks great out on track. Moving freely.

I won't be locking him in just yet, but I will be closely monitoring him. He's a great price ($335,600) and has a good ceiling so he could be a good option if he keep the body right over the rest of the pre-season.
Richmond were interested in Brander and if he is not playing in 2020, I would not be surprised if they chased him.
 
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Great insights mate but what about Waterman, where do you see his opportunities coming from?
Has now played 16 & 11 games in his 2 seasons so far (in a Premiership contending team) so is doing something right for a youngster. And I'd expect more of the same this year... Having good patches of form where he demands senior games, and then drop off's that require a WAFL stint. I do struggle to see at the moment how he can cement a permanent spot in the 22, but should still play regular games. It's just so hard to lock down a best 22 spot in our team.

I see Brander with a bigger ceiling hence my desire to get games into him, but it's possible the club and coaches see it differently to me.

Waterman certainly is valuable and it's a luxury to have so many quality tall forwards and youngsters with promise. Problem is just fitting them all in the team.especially with JK, Darling & Allen all best 22.
 
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Has now played 16 & 11 games in his 2 seasons so far (in a Premiership contending team) so is doing something right for a youngster. And I'd expect more of the same this year... Having good patches of form where he demands senior games, and then drop off's that require a WAFL stint. I do struggle to see at the moment how he can cement a permanent spot in the 22, but should still play regular games. It's just so hard to lock down a best 22 spot in our team.

I see Brander with a bigger ceiling hence my desire to get games into him, but it's possible the club and coaches see it differently to me.

Waterman certainly is valuable and it's a luxury to have so many quality tall forwards and youngsters with promise. Problem is just fitting them all in the team.especially with JK, Darling & Allen all best 22.
Thanks mate. I think you’re right, Allen took his spot initially but now he will be up against Brander instead when opportunity in the forward line arises... he has at times looked very promising but as you say, you can only fit so many forwards in..
 

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Don't know why......
Yeah on face value it seems an odd choice. Also found the below on his appointment. Wonder if that is a good or bad thing for him SC wise. Probably misses less games through suspension and maybe gives away less free kicks.


Greene's presence is a major vote of confidence from the club in the 26-year-old goalsneak, who was the subject of two separate allegations of eye-gouging during last year's finals series.

Despite being hated by most opposition fans, Greene has long been regarded as a 'spiritual leader' internally at the Giants. His new responsibility certifies that reputation.
 
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Yeah on face value it seems an odd choice. Also found the below on his appointment. Wonder if that is a good or bad thing for him SC wise. Probably misses less games through suspension and maybe gives away less free kicks.


Greene's presence is a major vote of confidence from the club in the 26-year-old goalsneak, who was the subject of two separate allegations of eye-gouging during last year's finals series.

Despite being hated by most opposition fans, Greene has long been regarded as a 'spiritual leader' internally at the Giants. His new responsibility certifies that reputation.
I would have thought that leaders of any club would have exemplary character attributes.

Toby Greene has been the antithesis of this since he started. Bad move and will surely bite them in the future
 
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GWS must have Grant Thomas as a consultant. You don't give the leadership to the person who deserves it. You give it to the person who most needs it.
As mentioned by @IDIG, he's the spiritual leader of the club. He embodies GWS's desire to win over being 'liked', which is all that really matters to them and probably should be all that really matters to any club worth their salt.
 
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