Position Forwards Discussion

Which forwards will you be starting outside of Danger/Heeney? (new poll 4/3/19)

  • Gray $526k

    Votes: 11 8.6%
  • Mundy $521k

    Votes: 17 13.3%
  • Menegola $543k

    Votes: 18 14.1%
  • McLean $514k

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • Kelly $506k

    Votes: 28 21.9%
  • Boak $477k

    Votes: 11 8.6%
  • Billings $438k

    Votes: 29 22.7%
  • Gresham $430k

    Votes: 3 2.3%
  • Worpel $396k

    Votes: 20 15.6%
  • Greene $354k

    Votes: 33 25.8%

  • Total voters
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The Experiment

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Geez it feels so dirty to say it but any sort of injury to Sandi could make Darcy a bloody attractive prospect come round one.
Just had a listen to Lyon's 'Ask the Coach' segment and he made comments along the lines of, it was a tough decision to re-sign Sandi this year because we don't want to hinder Darcy's development. He went on to say that Sandi is struggling to get a serious calf injury right and that Darcy is essentially in the box seat for the number 1 ruck spot come round 1...that was my take on things anyway.

Suggested Neale and Blakely's midfield minutes would be covered by Mundy, Conca, Brayshaw and Cerra...

That was about all of relevance
 

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Aaron vandenBerg anyone?
Not sure how he's travelling but played last 4 games last year but didn't set world on fire.
Awkward price at 283K, was former very high draft pick.
Not sure how he is situated in Melbourne's best 22.
Can remember I liked the look of him in his rookie season, but injuries have taken their toll maybe?
 

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Aaron vandenBerg anyone?
Not sure how he's travelling but played last 4 games last year but didn't set world on fire.
Awkward price at 283K, was former very high draft pick.
Not sure how he is situated in Melbourne's best 22.
Can remember I liked the look of him in his rookie season, but injuries have taken their toll maybe?
I guess at $283 you need to ask the question on what you are expecting to get out of him? Can he raise the $150k needed, can he go close to keeper status or provide enough scores to keep the team moving forward while addressing other issues for me it's a no on all and money better spent elsewhere
 

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Aaron vandenBerg anyone?
Not sure how he's travelling but played last 4 games last year but didn't set world on fire.
Awkward price at 283K, was former very high draft pick.
Not sure how he is situated in Melbourne's best 22.
Can remember I liked the look of him in his rookie season, but injuries have taken their toll maybe?
He is a former number 2 pick...in the rookie draft :unsure:
 

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Aaron vandenBerg anyone?
Not sure how he's travelling but played last 4 games last year but didn't set world on fire.
Awkward price at 283K, was former very high draft pick.
Not sure how he is situated in Melbourne's best 22.
Can remember I liked the look of him in his rookie season, but injuries have taken their toll maybe?
He was a vital part of melbournes finals tilt last season, but I’m not sure whether he has the SC credential you are looking for. Super tough and hard at it, but probably not going to score highly enough. Has DPP and should have good JS, but I’m not sure if that will be enough reason to pick him.
 

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Aaron vandenBerg anyone?
Not sure how he's travelling but played last 4 games last year but didn't set world on fire.
Awkward price at 283K, was former very high draft pick.
Not sure how he is situated in Melbourne's best 22.
Can remember I liked the look of him in his rookie season, but injuries have taken their toll maybe?
Oh, I remember his rookie year scores well, watched a few games. Even if I didn't it was always a pleasure to log in Monday morning and see the pant raising scores of this this majestic mature age rookie. He was hard at it and in the right places. Some injuries have stopped his improvement though.... could he go 90 with a full preseason? Yes. Could he fall apart again? Yes. Will he play fair wack of mid like he did in his rookie year? I don't know. Answer the last question and you're well on your way.
 
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Thoughts on J Kennedy (WCE).

Discounted due to an injury affected 2018 season which was his lowest avg since 2012 and only the 2nd time in the past 6 seasons he has dipped below a 90 avg. Averaged 10.18 disposals and 4 marks a game which is his 2nd lowest average in both categories since 2008 and the only other time he has dipped below 11 disposals and 5 marks a game was in 2012.

Averaged 94.51 from 61 of a possible 66 matches between 2015-2017 with 39/61 below 100 and 11/61 120+. Was a pre bye specialist in that period averaging 100.37 from 35 pre bye with 21/35 below and 8/35 120+ in comparison to an 86.62 post bye avg from 26 games with 18/26 below 100 and 3/26 120+. All 3 of those seasons he recorded an avg of 95+ pre bye and below 90 post bye. Also his scoring is very dependent on the team's performance as he averaged 104.45 from 42 wins (21/42 below 100, 11/42 120+) in comparison to 73.33 from 18 losses (17/18 below 100, 0/18 120+). All 3 of the seasons between 2015-2017 he recorded a 100+ avg in wins with a 105 avg in the last 2 seasons whereas all 3 seasons he recorded an average below 80 in losses. Also averaged 102.91 from 33 at Domain Stadium (17/33 below 100, 9/33 120+) which was a 18 point differential as he averaged 84.61 from 28 interstate matches (22/28 below 100, 2/28 120+).

4 of his first 7 matches are at Optus Stadium in 2019 (GWS, Freo, Port, GC) and 4 of his first 11 are against 2018 top 8 teams (GWS, Coll, Geel, Melb).

Kennedy didn't play RD1 in 2018 but in his 2 previous Round 1 matches he has scored 174 (RD1 2017) and 180 (RD1 2016).

How is his preseason going @Lost In The Sky
 

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Thoughts on J Kennedy (WCE).

Discounted due to an injury affected 2018 season which was his lowest avg since 2012 and only the 2nd time in the past 6 seasons he has dipped below a 90 avg. Averaged 10.18 disposals and 4 marks a game which is his 2nd lowest average in both categories since 2008 and the only other time he has dipped below 11 disposals and 5 marks a game was in 2012.

Averaged 94.51 from 61 of a possible 66 matches between 2015-2017 with 39/61 below 100 and 11/61 120+. Was a pre bye specialist in that period averaging 100.37 from 35 pre bye with 21/35 below and 8/35 120+ in comparison to an 86.62 post bye avg from 26 games with 18/26 below 100 and 3/26 120+. All 3 of those seasons he recorded an avg of 95+ pre bye and below 90 post bye. Also his scoring is very dependent on the team's performance as he averaged 104.45 from 42 wins (21/42 below 100, 11/42 120+) in comparison to 73.33 from 18 losses (17/18 below 100, 0/18 120+). All 3 of the seasons between 2015-2017 he recorded a 100+ avg in wins with a 105 avg in the last 2 seasons whereas all 3 seasons he recorded an average below 80 in losses. Also averaged 102.91 from 33 at Domain Stadium (17/33 below 100, 9/33 120+) which was a 18 point differential as he averaged 84.61 from 28 interstate matches (22/28 below 100, 2/28 120+).

4 of his first 7 matches are at Optus Stadium in 2019 (GWS, Freo, Port, GC) and 4 of his first 11 are against 2018 top 8 teams (GWS, Coll, Geel, Melb).

Kennedy didn't play RD1 in 2018 but in his 2 previous Round 1 matches he has scored 174 (RD1 2017) and 180 (RD1 2016).

How is his preseason going @Lost In The Sky
Josh had post-season shoulder surgery and the good news is he has shown no signs of any issues with that, not even strapping his shoulders. So that is really positive.

He recently completed a very heavy block of hard running training, and looked really impressive but in the last week and and a half he has missed quite a few training sessions apparently with soreness in is feet. Which is not what we want to hear. As we know he has had issues with his feet in recent seasons. But the Eagles are being pretty cautious with the big fella, so it might be them just scaling him back as a precaution.

This recent news of foot issues is a bit worrying but prior to that he had stated he was way ahead of where he was at this point last year, and was on track for JLT games which is a rarity for him as he usually doesn't play pre-season games. So I guess he's very much a watch and see, if he plays a game or two in the JLT he could be a good option. But...

The one who is really making waves is Jack Darling. He has looked incredible this pre-season, carrying on that amazing career best form from last season from before the ankle injury.

Darling has completely dominated this pre-season, and is looking like taking his game to an even higher level. In match-sim stuff he is taking big pack marks and slotting goals with ease, clearly looking a cut above everyone else on the track. I'm expecting big things from him this year.

Jack Petrucelle looks to have a small forward spot locked up to start the season. With LeCras retiring, and injuries to Cripps and Venables that will likely see them miss the start of the season... Petrucelle has really stood out. He worked hard on his tank this off-season which was a weakness as pure pace is his thing, but this season he has been in the upper bracket of players in all the endurance stuff, and with that improvement he has been finding a lot more of the ball. Was also singled out by Adam Simpson as being the most impressive youngster so far this off-season.
 

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The one who is really making waves is Jack Darling. He has looked incredible this pre-season, carrying on that amazing career best form from last season from before the ankle injury.

Darling has completely dominated this pre-season, and is looking like taking his game to an even higher level. In match-sim stuff he is taking big pack marks and slotting goals with ease, clearly looking a cut above everyone else on the track. I'm expecting big things from him this year.
Wow thanks for the insights. Darling is currently in my side so hearing this is very positive.
Darling is one of the most athletic Key Position Players in the competition, powerful on the lead and takes big pack marks. The only question I had surrounding Darling has been his ability to win one-on-ones. The prospectus showed that while he won a career high 31% of one-on-one contests last year, this was only the 25th best winning percentage for top 50 forward targets.
I can’t help but think the change in the hands in the back rule will help Darling hold his position in the contest and help improve his one-on-one conversions.
Yes there will be games where he doesn’t score well but also games where he scores 150+. All part of the fun in picking key position players
 

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D Moore:
Across his career he has averaged 77.24 SC points when he records 10 or more disposals and 5 or more marks in a game and across the past 2 seasons he has recorded a 80.92 avg when both the aforementioned stats occurred.

59% TOG in 2018 and when his TOG equalled or exceeded 59% he averaged 69 from 4 (low of 34 and a high of 91) and averaged 80.67 from 3 when TOG equalled or exceeded 80%.

From prospectus: "Moore spent 86% game time as a forward in his first 3 seasons, but that changed last year, spending 64% of his time in defence. In his final 3 matches he played purely as a defender and the signs are there that he could be a valuable interceptor. In his 2 full games not affected by injury, he had 18 intercept possessions, 9 intercept marks and 20 spoils- all elite numbers".
 

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T Kelly is an interesting one. Could get more mid time after spending 58% of time there last year and has the potential to be a 100+ player. Issues include the fact he's unsettled, only has the one year of proven scoring and apparently did a lot of his scoring late in games (which is scaled up). Those issues aside I feel like his kicking can improve and his disposal numbers can get up, he showed great ability as a clearance winner when he had his opportunities and is an attacking player. I think he has more upside relative to his price than Menegola (who is a very safe pick). The whole "go home" factor is a bit of an issue but if it was that bad I'm sure he would have been willing to go to Freo and he did not. He's also a young guy with a young family and he might have extra motivation this year to get a big contract at West Coast next year and also to ensure that they go after him. I see him taking over the most at stoppages from Ablett but I suppose it's hard to know exactly what will happen. My main issue with him is his bye because he shares the same bye as Heeney, Danger, Grundy, Neale and Witherden, who are all already in my side. I would pick Wingard Gray and Dunkley in that order before him at F3 but if those lose their appeal due to injury and/or role he might be my pick,
 

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T Kelly is an interesting one. Could get more mid time after spending 58% of time there last year and has the potential to be a 100+ player. Issues include the fact he's unsettled, only has the one year of proven scoring and apparently did a lot of his scoring late in games (which is scaled up). Those issues aside I feel like his kicking can improve and his disposal numbers can get up, he showed great ability as a clearance winner when he had his opportunities and is an attacking player. I think he has more upside relative to his price than Menegola (who is a very safe pick). The whole "go home" factor is a bit of an issue but if it was that bad I'm sure he would have been willing to go to Freo and he did not. He's also a young guy with a young family and he might have extra motivation this year to get a big contract at West Coast next year and also to ensure that they go after him. I see him taking over the most at stoppages from Ablett but I suppose it's hard to know exactly what will happen. My main issue with him is his bye because he shares the same bye as Heeney, Danger, Grundy, Neale and Witherden, who are all already in my side. I would pick Wingard Gray and Dunkley in that order before him at F3 but if those lose their appeal due to injury and/or role he might be my pick,
i like this pick, if it's more likely that he tries really hard this year to incentivise wc to go hard at him on the trading table at the end of the year compared to the go home factor then i will pick him.
 

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Little interview with Rocky. Says he’s a great deal fitter and in a much better place than this time 12 months ago and expects to play predominantly inside mid.

Another one on the list for that elusive F4.
Never been burnt by him before so I might be a bit more open to the idea of him than others but certainly in consideration if he looks to be playing that midfield role.
 
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