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Christians explanation on the radio today was totally clear.
Going on how he explained it , it makes perfect sense to why it was referred to the tribunal.
Completely reversed my thinking about it , but if that is what the rules state we have to accept it.
The game has and is changing from what many of us were brought up loving , now we just have to accept it for what it is.
In 5 years time I suspect the bump and tackle will have gone and we will have zones in place.
Going on how he explained it , it makes perfect sense to why it was referred to the tribunal.
Completely reversed my thinking about it , but if that is what the rules state we have to accept it.
The game has and is changing from what many of us were brought up loving , now we just have to accept it for what it is.
In 5 years time I suspect the bump and tackle will have gone and we will have zones in place.
Thing is though, NN didn't go for a "sling" tackle. His tackle technique is pretty consistently one motion - https://twitter.com/AFLcomau/status/993665740598272000 (two similar tackles this season).
All of the instances of dangerous tackles last season were ones involving a second "slinging" motion with the forearm pinned (particularly McCarthy) (http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-07-31/how-the-mrps-judged-dangerous-tackles). Most of them occur when the player didn't have the ball. Here, Amon's holding the ball the whole time and couldn't brace properly because he was holding the ball (does that mean anyone holding the ball with two hands is in a vulnerable position?)
Previous instances of tackles with just the one forward motion weren't ever classified as a dangerous tackle. Mummy even concussed Libba last year in a similar one motion tackle (with his arms similarly on the bicep) and he had no case to answer (https://twitter.com/afl/status/857929559013867520?lang=en). NN's own two similar tackles weren't cited this season either.
So if the ban is upheld, it's a new stricter interpretation of the rules which means all three similar tackles NN made this season would attract a ban. I think it's an unfortunate result from a footy perspective. But we can agree to disagree.
All of the instances of dangerous tackles last season were ones involving a second "slinging" motion with the forearm pinned (particularly McCarthy) (http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-07-31/how-the-mrps-judged-dangerous-tackles). Most of them occur when the player didn't have the ball. Here, Amon's holding the ball the whole time and couldn't brace properly because he was holding the ball (does that mean anyone holding the ball with two hands is in a vulnerable position?)
Previous instances of tackles with just the one forward motion weren't ever classified as a dangerous tackle. Mummy even concussed Libba last year in a similar one motion tackle (with his arms similarly on the bicep) and he had no case to answer (https://twitter.com/afl/status/857929559013867520?lang=en). NN's own two similar tackles weren't cited this season either.
So if the ban is upheld, it's a new stricter interpretation of the rules which means all three similar tackles NN made this season would attract a ban. I think it's an unfortunate result from a footy perspective. But we can agree to disagree.
apparently Hocking has backed his decision.
too many grey areas now.
I am sure if Amon was not concussed , it would be a fine.
The outcome is now determining the action.
But you are right , he is the MRO so his decision and interpretation.
Unfortunately it is now more about the "look" of the game and duty of care.
too many grey areas now.
I am sure if Amon was not concussed , it would be a fine.
The outcome is now determining the action.
But you are right , he is the MRO so his decision and interpretation.
Unfortunately it is now more about the "look" of the game and duty of care.
Libba was concussed but Mummy got off last year. So I'd like to think there is still a decision made as to the action.
Although possibly the wrong decision (compared to similar decisions last season), Higgins was also concussed and the MRO thought Burton's action was fine.
But we'll see what happens tomorrow. It's always more difficult to overturn decisions so I'm expecting it'll stay as is and this will unfortunately be the new interpretation.
Although possibly the wrong decision (compared to similar decisions last season), Higgins was also concussed and the MRO thought Burton's action was fine.
But we'll see what happens tomorrow. It's always more difficult to overturn decisions so I'm expecting it'll stay as is and this will unfortunately be the new interpretation.
I am totally confused like many.
Need some consistency.
My initial thought when I heard NicNat was suspended was total bull**** , time to follow the Netball (not sure how Collingwood is going in that) but then today when I listened to Christian on the radio I agreed with why it was referred.
Yes see what happens tomorrow I guess
Need some consistency.
My initial thought when I heard NicNat was suspended was total bull**** , time to follow the Netball (not sure how Collingwood is going in that) but then today when I listened to Christian on the radio I agreed with why it was referred.
Yes see what happens tomorrow I guess
This is Stevo’s take on it.
Mark Stevens @Stevo7AFL
Can’t see “Operation Free Nic Nat” succeeding. Under rules, if u drive a player’s head into ground with “excessive force” when the player tackled is “vulnerable” you are in trouble. Agree or not, it’s just the way the rules are. Not a lot of wriggle room at tribunal for Weagles.
Mark Stevens @Stevo7AFL
Can’t see “Operation Free Nic Nat” succeeding. Under rules, if u drive a player’s head into ground with “excessive force” when the player tackled is “vulnerable” you are in trouble. Agree or not, it’s just the way the rules are. Not a lot of wriggle room at tribunal for Weagles.
Here are the rules
My issue is "driving" used to mean some sort of secondary motion like with McCarthy (http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-07-02/gilbert-knocked-out-from-heavy-tackle).
Under this interpretation, that's not required anymore, with more emphasis on the "vulnerable" position. If a player has both hands on the ball in a tackle (ie: hands/forearms not pinned as both hands are on the ball) and is unable to brace themselves properly, then every ball carrier getting tackled is in a vulnerable position.
My issue is "driving" used to mean some sort of secondary motion like with McCarthy (http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-07-02/gilbert-knocked-out-from-heavy-tackle).
Under this interpretation, that's not required anymore, with more emphasis on the "vulnerable" position. If a player has both hands on the ball in a tackle (ie: hands/forearms not pinned as both hands are on the ball) and is unable to brace themselves properly, then every ball carrier getting tackled is in a vulnerable position.
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When watching the game live. It looked dangerous.
There's some video going around on youtube where it doesn't look so bad.
But nah. If it was my child (or me) getting smashed like that I'd want him to get at least a week? Was ugly how Amon's head and neck grated against the turf.
I'd prefer less neck injuries in sport.
but hey, that's just me.
There's some video going around on youtube where it doesn't look so bad.
But nah. If it was my child (or me) getting smashed like that I'd want him to get at least a week? Was ugly how Amon's head and neck grated against the turf.
I'd prefer less neck injuries in sport.
but hey, that's just me.
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GREATER Western Sydney ruckman Rory Lobb has luckily escaped injury after a nasty collision with teammate Jake Stein at training on Wednesday.
The Giants' main session ahead of Saturday's clash with West Coast was halted immediately after Lobb crashed into Stein in a marking contest.
The players were on opposite sides during full-ground match simulation when Lobb flew for a mark and collected Stein, who was attacking the footy from the other side of the pack, in the head with his hip.
Both players looked in serious trouble on the ground, with Stein seemingly knocked out by the impact.
They were immediately attended to by GWS medical staff while coach Leon Cameron gathered his squad in the middle of Spotless Stadium, but neither Lobb nor Stein could get up for several minutes.
The pair retreated to the change rooms before Lobb returned to the track and finished the session, while Stein was assessed for concussion.
Thankfully for the already injury-hit Giants, officials have cleared both players of any serious injury.
GWS is already missing stars Josh Kelly (groin), Toby Greene (foot), Tom Scully (ankle), Zac Williams (Achilles) and Brett Deledio (hamstring).
Lobb (knee) and Jeremy Cameron are likely return this week, but the star forward failed to train with the main group on Wednesday, so could still be in doubt.
GWS co-captain Callan Ward said the incident certainly sent a scare through the group, but it showed the type of intensity he's looking for from his teammates.
"I look at that and I think that’s great, Rory really wants his spot (back) and he's going really hard at the footy.
"At the same time, I'm thinking 'why are you getting injured in a training drill', but I think it's great for the club, and great for me that players really want a spot (in this team)."
Lobb should be right to face the Eagles after missing the past four games with bone bruising in his right knee.
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The Giants' main session ahead of Saturday's clash with West Coast was halted immediately after Lobb crashed into Stein in a marking contest.
The players were on opposite sides during full-ground match simulation when Lobb flew for a mark and collected Stein, who was attacking the footy from the other side of the pack, in the head with his hip.
Both players looked in serious trouble on the ground, with Stein seemingly knocked out by the impact.
They were immediately attended to by GWS medical staff while coach Leon Cameron gathered his squad in the middle of Spotless Stadium, but neither Lobb nor Stein could get up for several minutes.
The pair retreated to the change rooms before Lobb returned to the track and finished the session, while Stein was assessed for concussion.
Thankfully for the already injury-hit Giants, officials have cleared both players of any serious injury.
GWS is already missing stars Josh Kelly (groin), Toby Greene (foot), Tom Scully (ankle), Zac Williams (Achilles) and Brett Deledio (hamstring).
Lobb (knee) and Jeremy Cameron are likely return this week, but the star forward failed to train with the main group on Wednesday, so could still be in doubt.
GWS co-captain Callan Ward said the incident certainly sent a scare through the group, but it showed the type of intensity he's looking for from his teammates.
"I look at that and I think that’s great, Rory really wants his spot (back) and he's going really hard at the footy.
"At the same time, I'm thinking 'why are you getting injured in a training drill', but I think it's great for the club, and great for me that players really want a spot (in this team)."
Lobb should be right to face the Eagles after missing the past four games with bone bruising in his right knee.
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The definition of excessive force is subjective. Its not NN's fault he is probably 30kgs heavier than Amon. When they all walk out on the field they are equals. A couple of years ago this wouldn't even have been a free kick.
Also, this incident is the exact reason the AFL will not let a transgender athlete participate in AFLW - the fact they are seemingly bigger and stronger and that they could possible 'hurt someone'. Absolutely ridiculous stance. A smaller athlete could hurt a bigger athlete at any time.
Also, this incident is the exact reason the AFL will not let a transgender athlete participate in AFLW - the fact they are seemingly bigger and stronger and that they could possible 'hurt someone'. Absolutely ridiculous stance. A smaller athlete could hurt a bigger athlete at any time.
