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[Fiasco]

So after all my terrible mid priced selections last season that I never really recovered from I swore that I would go full guns and rookies this season. But there's a couple of players I just couldn't pass up on and looking through here they seem to be the pretty popular ones.

Sandi seems worth the risk he's been so consistent for so long we really only need him to play the first 8 or so games average decently and give us a chance to decide who the better 2nd ruck is (thinking Goldy or Grundy but you never know)

Heeney is just an absolute gun and he showed us during the finals what he's capable of, does he definitely get the midfield time we all hope he's going to get though? Sydney's midfield does seem a little up in the air and if he plays forward a lot this season he probably won't be a keeper. Oh well surely he can't go worse than Sam Gray did last year.

Beams has done it before and I believe will average 110+ as long as he doesn't get injured. Just a ball magnet and I feel like he is definitely worth the risk.

Anyway here's my side would love to get some feedback:

DEF - Docherty, Rance, Laird, JJ, Keefe, Sharenberg - Berry, Cox

MID - Danger, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Myers, Gore, Pickett - PP, Brown, Mutch

RUCK - Gawn, Sandy - Strnadica

FWD - Dahlhaus, Macrae, Caddy, Heeney, Mccluggage, Black - McKay, Eddy

 

[Hondo]

So after all my terrible mid priced selections last season that I never really recovered from I swore that I would go full guns and rookies this season. But there's a couple of players I just couldn't pass up on and looking through here they seem to be the pretty popular ones.

Sandi seems worth the risk he's been so consistent for so long we really only need him to play the first 8 or so games average decently and give us a chance to decide who the better 2nd ruck is (thinking Goldy or Grundy but you never know)

Heeney is just an absolute gun and he showed us during the finals what he's capable of, does he definitely get the midfield time we all hope he's going to get though? Sydney's midfield does seem a little up in the air and if he plays forward a lot this season he probably won't be a keeper. Oh well surely he can't go worse than Sam Gray did last year.

Beams has done it before and I believe will average 110+ as long as he doesn't get injured. Just a ball magnet and I feel like he is definitely worth the risk.

Anyway here's my side would love to get some feedback:

DEF - Docherty, Rance, Laird, JJ, Keefe, Sharenberg - Berry, Cox

MID - Danger, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Myers, Gore, Pickett - PP, Brown, Mutch

RUCK - Gawn, Sandy - Strnadica

FWD - Dahlhaus, Macrae, Caddy, Heeney, Mccluggage, Black - McKay, Eddy

That's a great early template subject to rookies. I think it will be popular.

Those 3 mid priced picks will be very popular which lessens the risk and importantly 2 of them have premium history < 1 season unlike the Sheridan/Lonergan types.

 

[Fiasco]

That's a great early template subject to rookies. I think it will be popular.

Those 3 mid priced picks will be very popular which lessens the risk and importantly 2 of them have premium history < 1 season unlike the Sheridan/Lonergan types.

Thanks Hondo, that's a good way of looking at it. Yep last season I started with Lonergan and Sheridan as well as Sam Gray what a shocking bunch of midpricers.

 

[Bomber18]

Thanks for the comments B18.

On Rocky - he has burnt me bad in the past, but with a new coach I think he has had a rocket put up him. Injuries are injuries not much you can do on that - for me, Beams is a far higher risk with less 200 point games...

Doch hasn't proven he will get to 105 and I don't like playing over $500k for a defender, let alone almost $600k. He will drop in price and that is when you grab him.

Last season I didn't think about byes until a couple of weeks out - look where that got me! I think you need to pick the best players available that suit your team and strat particularly in your starting side. Hodge has too much pride not to be fit, firing and wanting another crack at a premiership. Don't forget that the Hawks finished top 4 last season, and in spite of going out in straight sets (I remember clearly...I was at both the games ), if they had beaten the Cats then I think there was a good chance of being in a GF for the 5th time in a row. Yes, two experienced mids are now gone, but people forget that Mitchell is 34 and probably starting to cause issues in how the team played, Lewis 31 odd and starting to slow down. They have been replaced with gun/soon to be gun young players - who need experience around them and I think Hodge will be the one to give that. I think that although he will have stints in the fwd and back lines, but his main role and function will be to provide leadership in the mids as performed by Mitchell in the past. He may get managed, but expect it will be towards the end of the season and only if the Hawks are setting up for another tilt at a flag.

Rocky I understand, I'm a fan too and he's someone I'm targeting him after his bye.

You seem quite confident with Hodge so in that case back your gut! On a side note though, do you see this as his final season or could he go around next year?

 

[PC]

You seem quite confident with Hodge so in that case back your gut! On a side note though, do you see this as his final season or could he go around next year?

There are three key players in the Hawks side that I see need to be transitioned out over the next season or so - Silk (34), Gibbo (33), and Hodge (32). Of those, Silk seems to have been the most durable but is also the oldest, while Gibbo and Hodge are probably on par in terms of durability at this point (given Hodge's game count is a fair bit higher).

Hodge will hit up 300 games sometime during this season, he will probably captain the side again and I expect will be pushing hard to have another crack at a flag. With Mitchell and Lewis gone, there needs to be experience through the mids - something that will come from Hodge and Silk. I see it as a 50/50 chance that Hodge plays on next year, depending on the outcome of the season for the Hawks and how his body holds up. He has a nice comfy seat in a TV studio whenever he wants it and will move into coaching no doubt as well - plenty of options for him if he wants to hang up the boots.

 

[Darkie]

Here is my current draft team.

B: Shaw, Montagna, J Lloyd, Thurlow, J Berry, Newman, [$123k, $117]
M: Danger, Pendles, Jelwood, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Myers, SPP, [$123k, $123k, $117k]
R: Gawn, Sandi, [Strudelunpronounable)
F: Lynch GC, Kennedy WC, Dahl, Lamb, W Rioli, $123k, [$123k, $117k]

This is not techically my first version. At the end of last season I took a number of players who were fresh in my mind and put them down as the potential core of my 2017 team. Some of them are no longer in the current team.

Backs The original core consisted of Doch, Shaw and T McDonald. Only Shaw remains. Doch became Montagna essentially due to price. Rance was also in the picture as he had games at MCG and he has Rd 12 bye. Montagna got the nod however as I think he still has a season left in him. Also he plays a 10 of his first 13 games at Etihad. Referring back to the players reviews which Rowsus did last year (fabulous thread and still relevant) Montagna goes well on small grounds so he got the nod. McDonald became Lloyd but it could swing back. Lloyd ave 99 in his last 7 games in 2016 (inc finals) and has DPP. I think he has upside. I would hope Thurlow, Berry and Newman get starts rd 1 but one of them could easily become Hampton.

Mids The core five of Danger, Pendles, Jelwood, Treloar and Bont all stayed. During the last half of 2016 I started collecting posts from various SCS threads that I thought had real value in the comments. There is so much info on this site and it is a credit to all contributors. Three things came out of the posts. 1 Durability. As many players as possible must play a near full season. 2 Trading can save you if it is done properly. I am a lousy trader but I am working on it. 3 The value of captains and the value of the high scores they can bring. All of these five have durability. Further I did an analysis of mids scores looking for the uber scorers. The benchmark was at least four scores 140 or more in a season. You cannot get a big captains score if you don’t have that player in your team. So in 2016 Danger (6), Pendles(5), Jelwood(4) all meet that mark. The scoring patterns of players in the 140+ range was interesting too but that is for another time. Treloar (3) and Bont (3 and 4 in 2015) were picked because I think both have huge potential to go 4 plus this season. Fyfe was not in the original core mids but was recently added because he is value and can go huge. However I am still not convinced he should be in the team and he could be out next version. His broken leg is an impact injury not soft tissue so I made a somewhat dubious concession to my durability rule but even so he has only ever played more than 19 games once (2011). Hoping Myers and SPP play. Not convinced by the high priced rookies. They get early games but they don’t score any better than much cheaper rookies in many cases. Foote got the boot as part of the Fyfe inclusion and I hope I am not shooting myself in the foot doing that.

Rucks Gawn and Goldy were in the core team and Goldy has made way for Sandi. As much as Gawnstein is a great combo it sucks a lot of $ out of other places. Sandi is speculative. It is a breach of the durability rule but at his price I feel a little more comfortable. Problem was I could not find anyone else in the ruck I liked to match it with him for value and scoring in relation to risk.

Forwards My core players were St Nick, Kennedy, Dahl. Only St Nick has gone for GC Lynch. Usually try for as many f/m players as possible but I could not find a lot I liked. The only one I did like I dropped as part of the Fyfe inclusion. Love to see Lamb and Willie Rioli in the Rd 1 mix but any number of fwd rookies could show up between now and season start.

Feel free to rip it apart.

Nice post Manikato - I like that you've recorded your thoughts while they're fresh, but been open to adjust them as well. A few thoughts on your side:

- I'd probably prefer McDonald, who has been a top PIT defender before (see Bomber's thread), over Lloyd, especially if that's what your post-season observations told you and there's not a strong reason to change that. It does look like Lloyd has some upside but I would have thought McDonald does too, and he's hit keeper level before once his games count is considered.

- I too have Montagna, although after reading your comments I checked his 2016 performances at Etihad, and I don't think they were any better than his overall average (I think they were marginally worse). I completely agree that Row's thread is well worth a read and remains relevant, but I'd cross-check whether any observed relationship still held in 2016 - sometimes these can break down due to change in role etc.

- I like your mids. I'm inclined to agree with you re the expensive rookies - sometimes you feel like you're paying for extra points and they simply don't come, other times you're perhaps paying more for JS. I do think it's worth putting a bunch of them in as placeholdes though - they're easier to take out than put in. Maybe Thurlow serves this purpose to some degree.

- I think Sandi at R2 is a lock, as I've mentioned elsewhere. Goldy has upside to his price, particularly relative to Gawn, although I can see why Gawn might look the safer pick at the moment.

- Your forwards are fairly PODdish. I can see the appeal of JJK, especially with his bye, although NN's omission is a concern for me. Lynch is a bit cheaper but also less proven. If you think he has natural progression in him and that it will come this year, he's probably not a bad pick, although jis bye perhaps isn't great. On bith if those two, KPFs can often be picked up cheaper later on because they're so up and down. I'd be inclined to start others and upgrade to Lynch/JJK unless you're really bullish on their early draw. Is it Macrae you took out for Fyfe? If so, I think he's a safer pick than both the KPFs.

- As an overall comment, I like your structure (similar to mine), although you have gone quite safe overall, with Sandi one of the bigger risks in the surface, but likely to be very widely owned. You may not quite have the upside and value that some other teams have, especially with names like Shaw, Gawn and JJK and omitting names like Beams, Heeney and maybe Rocky not included. [Lloyd I see as semi-speculative, so that's a bit of an o***et.]. I think going a bit safer with your starting side is perfectly viable, and a good way to improve your chances of a high finish, but your chances of winning the whole thing may be a bit higher if you took one or two more calculated risks. It's a balancing act, and a matter of both personal preference and which risks you see as appealing - I certainly wouldn't add risk for the sake of it!

Good luck.

 

[Fiasco]

There are three key players in the Hawks side that I see need to be transitioned out over the next season or so - Silk (34), Gibbo (33), and Hodge (32). Of those, Silk seems to have been the most durable but is also the oldest, while Gibbo and Hodge are probably on par in terms of durability at this point (given Hodge's game count is a fair bit higher).

Hodge will hit up 300 games sometime during this season, he will probably captain the side again and I expect will be pushing hard to have another crack at a flag. With Mitchell and Lewis gone, there needs to be experience through the mids - something that will come from Hodge and Silk. I see it as a 50/50 chance that Hodge plays on next year, depending on the outcome of the season for the Hawks and how his body holds up. He has a nice comfy seat in a TV studio whenever he wants it and will move into coaching no doubt as well - plenty of options for him if he wants to hang up the boots.

I know you said that you thought Adams would miss games but I feel he's equal with Hodge in his chances of missing a chunk of the season through injury or suspension but I personally feel like Adams has a lot more upside than Hodge. Last season Adams was asked to play large chunks of games down back but with Ramsay, Scharenberg, Maynard and others all fit and healthy heading into next season Collingwood now appear to have a glut of bank flankers so I don't think Adams will be asked to play down there as much. I think he'll spend much more time in the midfield where he is a contested beast and I believe he can average 110+.
I also feel like Collingwood will probably win a few more games this year while I think Hawthorn will drop a few spots on the ladder, but that might just be my Collingwood bias.
I suppose it comes down to gut feel in the end and mine's definitely telling me Adams is the way to go and to stay away from Hodge, good luck whichever way you go.

 

[Courtesans]

Can't recall so many essays written about prospective teams so early. Chomping at the bit...me too.

 

[Prochard]

Team 3.0

Was concerned with having a heavy round 13 bye team but after looking at it closely, there should easily be enough coverage and shouldn't be a problem.

Quite content with the team structure and premium selections too

B: Docherty, Adams, Laird, Mcdonald, Ryan, Long (Stewart, Berry)
M: Dangerfield, JPK, Fyfe, Treloar, Mitchell, Beams, Powell-Pepper, Myers (Barrett, Graham, Junker)
R: Grundy, Sandilands (Witts)
F: Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, Mcluggage, Bowes, Black (Eddy, Strndica)

Every line can be loopholed. Looking at hopefully 14 keepers+Sandilands.
Not completely sold on:
Grundy
Heeney

However they're still marginally ahead of:
Gawn and Goldstein
Lynch and Knight
Due to their upside slightly outweighing the risks attached.

Would love some thoughts.

 

[Fiasco]

Team 3.0

Was concerned with having a heavy round 13 bye team but after looking at it closely, there should easily be enough coverage and shouldn't be a problem.

Quite content with the team structure and premium selections too

B: Docherty, Adams, Laird, Mcdonald, Ryan, Long (Stewart, Berry)
M: Dangerfield, JPK, Fyfe, Treloar, Mitchell, Beams, Powell-Pepper, Myers (Barrett, Graham, Junker)
R: Grundy, Sandilands (Witts)
F: Dahlhaus, Macrae, Heeney, Mcluggage, Bowes, Black (Eddy, Strndica)

Every line can be loopholed. Looking at hopefully 14 keepers+Sandilands.
Not completely sold on:
Grundy
Heeney

However they're still marginally ahead of:
Gawn and Goldstein
Lynch and Knight
Due to their upside slightly outweighing the risks attached.

Would love some thoughts.

I really like your structure, id definitely take Gawn or Goldstein over Grundy if you can afford it. Grundy gets a fair bit of the ball around the ground but does he get enough hit outs to be up there with the super premo rucks like Gawn and Goldstein? They just feel like safer picks to me.

The only other question I have about your side is Tom McDonald. Do you see something that makes you think that he will improve on what he did last season. He finished well and ended up averaging around 90 so i suppose he doesn't have to improve that much to be a keeper but if he starts the season like he did last season you'll be pulling your hair out. I prefer McGovern over McDonald for a similar price.

 

[bomberboy]

Here's my latest draft. I'm set on structure at this point, as I want to go full GnR besides the gimmes of Sandi and Beams. Heeney smells a bit of a flavour of the month if you ask me. I can't see myself losing SC 2017 if I don't pick him. I can see that if I don't pick Sandi or Beams. 127k left.

Def: Shaw, Rance, Laird, JJ McGrath, Newman (Hampton, Hibberd)

Very simple line, 4/0/4 structure here. Gone for a couple of sure things, and a couple of younger players with some inherent upside. Laird is the one at risk of being chopped. JJ, if fit, becomes a top 6 defender imo. The bulldogs are just going to get better, and therefore, get more of the sc pie. I've stuck a couple of expensive rookies in there more so that I'm not shuffling structure around for rookies.

Mid: Dangerfield, Kennedy, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Myers, Bowes (Fordham, Freeman, Pickett)

Danger, Kennedy and Treloar. Kennedy and Treloar interest me for different reasons. Kennedy, with the captaincy, will start well (I think). Contested beast, full preseason, yum. Sign me up.

Treloar. With Pendlebury ageing, I think it's time for Treloar to add a few points to his game. 115 average, and a sneaky VC option? The other thing I like about Kennedy, Danger and Treloar is that they all have different byes. Their absence will be spread out.

Bont and Fyfe are two young guns. You all know who they are, and why they're in my team. Get the ball at will. Wouldn't surprise me to see them 1 and 2 in the brownlow next year. Bont is a 70/30 to stay in my team. The rookies is much the same strategy, pick an expensive one to make sure the structure doesn't have to change.

Rucks:Goldy, Sandi (Strnadica)

Gawn overpriced. Grundy is the only other option for R1. I figure that not picking Sandi could derail my season, so might as well pick him.

Forwards: Dahlhaus, LynchVenables, Florent, Buzza, McCarthy (Eddy, Polson)

Buzza links with Strnadica if I need to loophole. Not sure if I'll keep that. I like Lynch, feel he'll get more points with a firing Gold Coast, and plus the Round 9 bye is interesting. If I can sneak through a premium down using a loopholed rookie, I think it'll give me more flexibility during the byes to trade. No forward besides Dahlhaus is a lock for me. As discussed at the start, Heeney is a bit iffy. Having been reflecting over the o***eason, I feel that I prefer to take my small risks in premiums, as well as my trades. If other people are willing to pick midpricers, good luck to them I say. I want to start the season well, and then charge from there through good trading. Easier said than done of course, but I must say I am a proponent of GnR.

Anyway, that's my rambling. Here's my team in an easy to read format:
Def: Shaw, Rance, Laird, JJ McGrath, Newman (Hampton, Hibberd)
Mid: Dangerfield, Kennedy, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Myers, Bowes (Fordham, Freeman, Pickett)
Rucks:Goldy, Sandi (Strnadica)
Forwards: Dahlhaus, LynchVenables, Florent, Buzza, McCarthy (Eddy, Polson)

Bye structure: 3/10/7/10 (1/6/3/6 for keepers)
16/2/12 for rookies/midpricers/premiums (though I reckon it's 14 keepers).

Have at it!

 

[Manikato1]

Nice post Manikato - I like that you've recorded your thoughts while they're fresh, but been open to adjust them as well. A few thoughts on your side:

- I'd probably prefer McDonald, who has been a top PIT defender before (see Bomber's thread), over Lloyd, especially if that's what your post-season observations told you and there's not a strong reason to change that. It does look like Lloyd has some upside but I would have thought McDonald does too, and he's hit keeper level before once his games count is considered.

- I too have Montagna, although after reading your comments I checked his 2016 performances at Etihad, and I don't think they were any better than his overall average (I think they were marginally worse). I completely agree that Row's thread is well worth a read and remains relevant, but I'd cross-check whether any observed relationship still held in 2016 - sometimes these can break down due to change in role etc.

- I like your mids. I'm inclined to agree with you re the expensive rookies - sometimes you feel like you're paying for extra points and they simply don't come, other times you're perhaps paying more for JS. I do think it's worth putting a bunch of them in as placeholdes though - they're easier to take out than put in. Maybe Thurlow serves this purpose to some degree.

- I think Sandi at R2 is a lock, as I've mentioned elsewhere. Goldy has upside to his price, particularly relative to Gawn, although I can see why Gawn might look the safer pick at the moment.

- Your forwards are fairly PODdish. I can see the appeal of JJK, especially with his bye, although NN's omission is a concern for me. Lynch is a bit cheaper but also less proven. If you think he has natural progression in him and that it will come this year, he's probably not a bad pick, although jis bye perhaps isn't great. On bith if those two, KPFs can often be picked up cheaper later on because they're so up and down. I'd be inclined to start others and upgrade to Lynch/JJK unless you're really bullish on their early draw. Is it Macrae you took out for Fyfe? If so, I think he's a safer pick than both the KPFs.

- As an overall comment, I like your structure (similar to mine), although you have gone quite safe overall, with Sandi one of the bigger risks in the surface, but likely to be very widely owned. You may not quite have the upside and value that some other teams have, especially with names like Shaw, Gawn and JJK and omitting names like Beams, Heeney and maybe Rocky not included. [Lloyd I see as semi-speculative, so that's a bit of an o***et.]. I think going a bit safer with your starting side is perfectly viable, and a good way to improve your chances of a high finish, but your chances of winning the whole thing may be a bit higher if you took one or two more calculated risks. It's a balancing act, and a matter of both personal preference and which risks you see as appealing - I certainly wouldn't add risk for the sake of it!

Good luck.

Hi Darkie
Thanks for your thoughts.

I may have swayed too far away from the dark side this year because in previous years I went the risky road and it never worked out. Will revisit Montagna and will reconsider McDonald in light of your comments but it may depend on Berry or some other rookie being D/M. I prefer all positions to be DPP flexible with a mixture or prems and rookies. Although the Def/Fwd link will be hard this year compared to last year when we had plenty to choose from.

I have had Rocky and Beams in the past and they both burned me badly with injury so I decided enough is enough and left them out. Heeney I am not sold on. His last seven rds in 2016 ave 92.7 but much of that was the 145 he scored. He also had three scores under 80 in those seven games and only got above 30 possessions once for the season although his role for much of the season may not have given him the chance to get over 30 too often. In any event I left him out and am not phased that everyone else has him (till he rips out 5 tons in a row!)

I was swinging between Gawn and Goldy so could still go Goldy and use the extra cash.

I currently have some cash left over so I can upgrade a couple of the $123k rookies if need be.

Love the comments and reviews of all teams in this thread.

 

[DMCC10]

Was mucking around and thought I'd throw up something a bit different. My first side without selecting Dangerfield, yes it is risky, yes I will probably not have the guts to do it, but I actually really like the look of the team without him in it. For those of you who don't know already, my strategy all along for SC2017 is to go light in defence due to aging premiums and too many unknowns, as well as my personal view that the best scoring/playing rookies are defenders. Forward line rookies look quite weak to me, I wouldn't want to be playing Pickett, Eddy, Black, etc. as I see them pulling out 50s so this is the area I have strengthen as there is also some value there. Only have $3,800 left so no room for changes, but think there is enough captain options without Danger.

DEF: Adams, Hartlett, McGrath, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Spencer)
MID: Pendlebury, Rockliff, JPK, Fyfe, Beams, Murphy, Swallow, Myers (SPP, Hibberd, Graham)
RUC: Gawn, Sandilands (Strnadica)
FWD: Dahlhaus, Deledio, Macrae, Heeney, Ryder, Bennell (Pickett, Eddy)

 

[bomberboy]

Was mucking around and thought I'd throw up something a bit different. My first side without selecting Dangerfield, yes it is risky, yes I will probably not have the guts to do it, but I actually really like the look of the team without him in it. For those of you who don't know already, my strategy all along for SC2017 is to go light in defence due to aging premiums and too many unknowns, as well as my personal view that the best scoring/playing rookies are defenders. Forward line rookies look quite weak to me, I wouldn't want to be playing Pickett, Eddy, Black, etc. as I see them pulling out 50s so this is the area I have strengthen as there is also some value there. Only have $3,800 left so no room for changes, but think there is enough captain options without Danger.

DEF: Adams, Hartlett, McGrath, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Spencer)
MID: Pendlebury, Rockliff, JPK, Fyfe, Beams, Murphy, Swallow, Myers (SPP, Hibberd, Graham)
RUC: Gawn, Sandilands (Strnadica)
FWD: Dahlhaus, Deledio, Macrae, Heeney, Ryder, Bennell (Pickett, Eddy)

Hartlett at D2 has the potential to cost you 20ppg against someone that has a Rance there. I'd rather have a JJ/Laird there if age is a factor. Out of interest, why Hartlett?

Like the team otherwise. For a team without Danger, it looks good. I can't imagine a world where the winner of SC 2017 doesn't pick Danger, but it's a good team. The forward line is easily the most interesting I've seen!

 

[Bomber18]

Here's my latest draft. I'm set on structure at this point, as I want to go full GnR besides the gimmes of Sandi and Beams. Heeney smells a bit of a flavour of the month if you ask me. I can't see myself losing SC 2017 if I don't pick him. I can see that if I don't pick Sandi or Beams. 127k left.

Def: Shaw, Rance, Laird, JJ McGrath, Newman (Hampton, Hibberd)

Very simple line, 4/0/4 structure here. Gone for a couple of sure things, and a couple of younger players with some inherent upside. Laird is the one at risk of being chopped. JJ, if fit, becomes a top 6 defender imo. The bulldogs are just going to get better, and therefore, get more of the sc pie. I've stuck a couple of expensive rookies in there more so that I'm not shuffling structure around for rookies.

Mid: Dangerfield, Kennedy, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Myers, Bowes (Fordham, Freeman, Pickett)

Danger, Kennedy and Treloar. Kennedy and Treloar interest me for different reasons. Kennedy, with the captaincy, will start well (I think). Contested beast, full preseason, yum. Sign me up.

Treloar. With Pendlebury ageing, I think it's time for Treloar to add a few points to his game. 115 average, and a sneaky VC option? The other thing I like about Kennedy, Danger and Treloar is that they all have different byes. Their absence will be spread out.

Bont and Fyfe are two young guns. You all know who they are, and why they're in my team. Get the ball at will. Wouldn't surprise me to see them 1 and 2 in the brownlow next year. Bont is a 70/30 to stay in my team. The rookies is much the same strategy, pick an expensive one to make sure the structure doesn't have to change.

Rucks:Goldy, Sandi (Strnadica)

Gawn overpriced. Grundy is the only other option for R1. I figure that not picking Sandi could derail my season, so might as well pick him.

Forwards: Dahlhaus, LynchVenables, Florent, Buzza, McCarthy (Eddy, Polson)

Buzza links with Strnadica if I need to loophole. Not sure if I'll keep that. I like Lynch, feel he'll get more points with a firing Gold Coast, and plus the Round 9 bye is interesting. If I can sneak through a premium down using a loopholed rookie, I think it'll give me more flexibility during the byes to trade. No forward besides Dahlhaus is a lock for me. As discussed at the start, Heeney is a bit iffy. Having been reflecting over the o***eason, I feel that I prefer to take my small risks in premiums, as well as my trades. If other people are willing to pick midpricers, good luck to them I say. I want to start the season well, and then charge from there through good trading. Easier said than done of course, but I must say I am a proponent of GnR.

Anyway, that's my rambling. Here's my team in an easy to read format:
Def: Shaw, Rance, Laird, JJ McGrath, Newman (Hampton, Hibberd)
Mid: Dangerfield, Kennedy, Treloar, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, Myers, Bowes (Fordham, Freeman, Pickett)
Rucks:Goldy, Sandi (Strnadica)
Forwards: Dahlhaus, LynchVenables, Florent, Buzza, McCarthy (Eddy, Polson)

Bye structure: 3/10/7/10 (1/6/3/6 for keepers)
16/2/12 for rookies/midpricers/premiums (though I reckon it's 14 keepers).

Have at it!

Enjoyed reading your thoughts on your initial draft side.
I have no issues with your Mids and Rucks, both looking pretty solid. Rucks I keep switching between the GGGs at R1 and Sandi at R2. Mids all reasonable choices.

I feel you might need to rethink your structure in the Fwds. Early signs (based on my own assessment of best 22s) are that we might struggle for decent forward rookies under $200k. Thus I'm not sure that we'd be able to run a 4 rookie forward line of rookies. The main basement ones at this stage that look viable are Rioli, Pickett & Eddy. Hopefully more show themselves during the preseason games. Also Eddy at F8 and Lynch at F2 means that in R9, you will have no bench cover which leaves you very vulnerable to a donut in R9 should there be an unexpected omission/short term injury. Eddy is a KPF so seems more like a slow burner type that wouldn't have matured by R9 fwiw.

You haven't made any mention of Macrae who seems the obvious player to bring in. I'd chop one of your defenders and bring in Macrae & rejig your side to have Knights at F5 and a basement rookie. Also have a think on what you will do in R9 if there's another unexpected out.

 

[Bomber18]

Was mucking around and thought I'd throw up something a bit different. My first side without selecting Dangerfield, yes it is risky, yes I will probably not have the guts to do it, but I actually really like the look of the team without him in it. For those of you who don't know already, my strategy all along for SC2017 is to go light in defence due to aging premiums and too many unknowns, as well as my personal view that the best scoring/playing rookies are defenders. Forward line rookies look quite weak to me, I wouldn't want to be playing Pickett, Eddy, Black, etc. as I see them pulling out 50s so this is the area I have strengthen as there is also some value there. Only have $3,800 left so no room for changes, but think there is enough captain options without Danger.

DEF: Adams, Hartlett, McGrath, Scharenberg, Hampton, Newman (Ryan, Spencer)
MID: Pendlebury, Rockliff, JPK, Fyfe, Beams, Murphy, Swallow, Myers (SPP, Hibberd, Graham)
RUC: Gawn, Sandilands (Strnadica)
FWD: Dahlhaus, Deledio, Macrae, Heeney, Ryder, Bennell (Pickett, Eddy)

I definitely agree with your assessment of the rookies so far. I have toyed with a 2-0-6 defence as well but I hadn't done a full premium forward line though! I think a Knights type at F6 is totally reasonable. Similar to Lynch advice above, keep in my that you will have no bench cover in R9 if you pick Ryder and Eddy (who might not have matured by R9). Similar weakness with Hartlett in your defence.
I think I'd chop Ryder or Bennell for Knights at F6 and use the cash to grab Danger and Laird over Rocky and Hartlett. Could chop Scharenberg to Vicker-Willis or Stewart for the $40k.

 

[bomberboy]

Enjoyed reading your thoughts on your initial draft side.
I have no issues with your Mids and Rucks, both looking pretty solid. Rucks I keep switching between the GGGs at R1 and Sandi at R2. Mids all reasonable choices.

I feel you might need to rethink your structure in the Fwds. Early signs (based on my own assessment of best 22s) are that we might struggle for decent forward rookies under $200k. Thus I'm not sure that we'd be able to run a 4 rookie forward line of rookies. The main basement ones at this stage that look viable are Rioli, Pickett & Eddy. Hopefully more show themselves during the preseason games. Also Eddy at F8 and Lynch at F2 means that in R9, you will have no bench cover which leaves you very vulnerable to a donut in R9 should there be an unexpected omission/short term injury. Eddy is a KPF so seems more like a slow burner type that wouldn't have matured by R9 fwiw.

You haven't made any mention of Macrae who seems the obvious player to bring in. I'd chop one of your defenders and bring in Macrae & rejig your side to have Knights at F5 and a basement rookie. Also have a think on what you will do in R9 if there's another unexpected out.

I'm still not sure about Macrae. I'm making sure that u don't buy into any hyped players without reaching the same conclusion first, just so I don't regret it! I reckon chopping Laird and adding a Macrae type is the way to go. Will change my structure around to fit this (I really like the 2 200k mature rookies, especially if they can average 80). Cheers b18!

 

[Bomber18]

I'm still not sure about Macrae. I'm making sure that u don't buy into any hyped players without reaching the same conclusion first, just so I don't regret it! I reckon chopping Laird and adding a Macrae type is the way to go. Will change my structure around to fit this (I really like the 2 200k mature rookies, especially if they can average 80). Cheers b18!

Not sure McCarthy and Knights go at 80, I think more around 65-70 as a KPF for McCarthy but Knights could go 75-80 if he plays enough MID. And definitely worthwhile reaching your own conclusion on hyped players. I remember you stayed strong off A.Hall all season (which I regret not doing).

 

[bomberboy]

Not sure McCarthy and Knights go at 80, I think more around 65-70 as a KPF for McCarthy but Knights could go 75-80 if he plays enough MID. And definitely worthwhile reaching your own conclusion on hyped players. I remember you stayed strong off A.Hall all season (which I regret not doing).

Staying away from Hall helped, but my rule meany I picked Mcveigh over Docherty so swings and roundabouts.

McCarthy could average 75 as a CHF, he'll be the focal point of Freo imo.

A question for you B18. Say you've got 2 rookies, 1 120k, and one 200k. If you could guarantee the 200k will average 70, and the 120k 60, which one do you pick? Something I've been considering.

 

[Bomber18]

Staying away from Hall helped, but my rule meany I picked Mcveigh over Docherty so swings and roundabouts.

McCarthy could average 75 as a CHF, he'll be the focal point of Freo imo.

A question for you B18. Say you've got 2 rookies, 1 120k, and one 200k. If you could guarantee the 200k will average 70, and the 120k 60, which one do you pick? Something I've been considering.

We'll see on McCarthy in the preseason games, definitely on my watchlist.

I think the 120k 60 averaging player wins in theory. Going back to Klo's thread - http://www.supercoachscores.com/thr...asure-and-pain?p=223386&viewfull=1#post223386 - the 120k player @60 makes an extra $20k by round 9.

However, in reality, the 120k player is likely to be a first year or fringe player so has worse JS. IE: Compare Rioli to McCarthy. McCarthy clearly has 100% job security but Rioli is much more fringe. Even if Rioli puts up a 55-60 average in the NAB, it would be safer grabbing McCarthy as there's nothing worse than being stuck with a non-playing rookie.