Discussion Re-Signings, Retirements, Delistings, Trade & Drafting

[Herbie66]

Roughead will go for either pick 75 or pick 93, or a combination of both. Picks in the 50s or earlier will not be touched.

Kelly Quaynor we can go into deficit for points so they aren’t a problem either.

Worst case scenario we give up pick 18 and Thomas for Beams.

Our targets can be easily achieved. Freo is in a challenging spot having to balance between so many options.

Thanks mate , great insight.

Be over the moon if we can get Beamer back and either Kelly/Roughead.

Do you know what the Swans are giving up for Langdon ? I have no idea how many points etc they need if someone bids early on Blakey.

Wonder if their is any interest in offloading the likes of Crocker , Elliott , Oxley , Smith ,Wills etc.

Wouldn't imagine Blair or Reid attracting too much interest.

Cheers

 

[Prochard]

Thanks mate , great insight.

Be over the moon if we can get Beamer back and either Kelly/Roughead.

Do you know what the Swans are giving up for Langdon ? I have no idea how many points etc they need if someone bids early on Blakey.

Wonder if their is any interest in offloading the likes of Crocker , Elliott , Oxley , Smith ,Wills etc.

Wouldn't imagine Blair or Reid attracting too much interest.

Cheers

No worries.

Elliot just signed an extention so he won't leave, I suspect the short term contract is good for both parties as Elliot would also like a payrise if he does return well from injuries.

Crocker/Oxley/Wills/Smith/Blair should all be delisted IMO, possibly Crocker can be kept as depth, but others I don't see as being worth list spots.

Reid I think we will keep just for KPD depth.

Langdon will go for a pick in late teens/early 20s I reckon. We may look at trading pick 18 + Langdon for pick 11 + pick 49. Pick 49 as points for Quaynor/Kelly. Langdon for a 7 pick upgrade isn't great, but it gives us a chance at landing someone like Ben King, who really is an excellent pick for us as an extremely athletic KPD who can also swing up forward, pretty much just an 18 year old version of Ben Reid.

I say there's about a 1% chance he's gone in the first 6, probably a 60% chance he's taken in the 6-10 range, and close to 40% chance he's available at pick 11. If he's taken early worst we can do is just do the live pick trade, downgrade the pics for points, so we won't be in deficit for next year.

 

[Bermi]

TOM Langdon has rejected significant interest from Fremantle and Sydney to re-sign with Collingwood.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...d/news-story/06403f961f076c80bc21961b0a0fa293

 

[Zim^zuM]

Why didnt collingwood just sign roughead during the free agency period?

 

[Herbie66]

Why didnt collindelgwood just sign roughead during the free agency period?

Probably have Langdon and Beams as a higher priority.

Kelly is another option.

I think they can still do a trade for him or wait and see if the Bulldogs delist him.

Can now wait and see if the Bulldogs deliat

 

[Herbie66]

No worries.

Elliot just signed an extention so he won't leave, I suspect the short term contract is good for both parties as Elliot would also like a payrise if he does return well from injuries.

Crocker/Oxley/Wills/Smith/Blair should all be delisted IMO, possibly Crocker can be kept as depth, but others I don't see as being worth list spots.

Reid I think we will keep just for KPD depth.

Langdon will go for a pick in late teens/early 20s I reckon. We may look at trading pick 18 + Langdon for pick 11 + pick 49. Pick 49 as points for Quaynor/Kelly. Langdon for a 7 pick upgrade isn't great, but it gives us a chance at landing someone like Ben King, who really is an excellent pick for us as an extremely athletic KPD who can also swing up forward, pretty much just an 18 year old version of Ben Reid.

I say there's about a 1% chance he's gone in the first 6, probably a 60% chance he's taken in the 6-10 range, and close to 40% chance he's available at pick 11. If he's taken early worst we can do is just do the live pick trade, downgrade the pics for points, so we won't be in deficit for next year.

You should apply for a job with the list manager team , looks like you are all over it.

I agree with delisting the same 5.

Langdon has resigned so that is good news , may not need to worry about Kelly or Roughead now so concentrate on getting Beams back.

Outside of the so-called "Super7 " in the Draft , a few other sites seem to think 8 to 20 is quite good also.

Trend seems to be clubs make a play for these kids after their initial 2 years anyway and let someone else develop them.

Seems to me the SA talented trio is attracting a lot of attention , so both clubs here are trying to get higher up the ladder.

I will be more than happy to nail Beams early in the week and then see what happens.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Herbie66]

Melbourne should just send Hogan to the Gold Coast for May and tell Bell to go and get stuffed

 

[Bermi]

The Pies will need to be very creative to get Beams, hmmm.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...n/news-story/4fd71d1e2ded0006a6d2cb26c8547885

According to the Herald Sun, it’s understood Collingwood won’t offer players in exchange for Beams, with their Pick 18 crucial to a deal that will need to be struck between the two clubs.

Collingwood currently hold Pick 18, 51, 56 and 57 — but will be keen on holding picks to accrue for points for academy prospect Isaac Quaynor and father-son Will Kelly.

It’s believed that despite their unwillingness to do a deal, the Lions would allow the star midfielder to leave if the Magpies proposed an appropriate deal.

 

[Prochard]

The Pies will need to be very creative to get Beams, hmmm.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...n/news-story/4fd71d1e2ded0006a6d2cb26c8547885

According to the Herald Sun, it’s understood Collingwood won’t offer players in exchange for Beams, with their Pick 18 crucial to a deal that will need to be struck between the two clubs.

Collingwood currently hold Pick 18, 51, 56 and 57 — but will be keen on holding picks to accrue for points for academy prospect Isaac Quaynor and father-son Will Kelly.

It’s believed that despite their unwillingness to do a deal, the Lions would allow the star midfielder to leave if the Magpies proposed an appropriate deal.

Highly likely it’s pick 18 + 2019 second for beams plus a late pick this draft

 

[Prochard]

You should apply for a job with the list manager team , looks like you are all over it.

I agree with delisting the same 5.

Langdon has resigned so that is good news , may not need to worry about Kelly or Roughead now so concentrate on getting Beams back.

Outside of the so-called "Super7 " in the Draft , a few other sites seem to think 8 to 20 is quite good also.

Trend seems to be clubs make a play for these kids after their initial 2 years anyway and let someone else develop them.

Seems to me the SA talented trio is attracting a lot of attention , so both clubs here are trying to get higher up the ladder.

I will be more than happy to nail Beams early in the week and then see what happens.

Thanks for the info.

I haven’t watched too much of these draftees myself. But from what I’ve heard both Rankine and lukosios would be pick 1 locks in any other draft.

If GC picks these two at pick 2 and 3 that could be the best result any club has had with their drafts for awhile.

Walsh I see as a solid but medium ceiling general mid that’s a safe selection but doesn’t offer as much upside as the others. Will be similar to Aish and Kelly, and fall somewhere in between in terms of career performance.

Max king is every bit as good as Patton/Boyd in their draft years and Ben King appears to be a flat out better and more athletic version Weitering.

If you have the first 6 picks of this draft, a club that just started from scratch would have a stronger core than half the teams in the AFL.

As well as Stephenson has played this year, I’d trade him for a top 5 pick in this draft without hesitation

 

[Herbie66]

I haven’t watched too much of these draftees myself. But from what I’ve heard both Rankine and lukosios would be pick 1 locks in any other draft.

If GC picks these two at pick 2 and 3 that could be the best result any club has had with their drafts for awhile.

Walsh I see as a solid but medium ceiling general mid that’s a safe selection but doesn’t offer as much upside as the others. Will be similar to Aish and Kelly, and fall somewhere in between in terms of career performance.

Max king is every bit as good as Patton/Boyd in their draft years and Ben King appears to be a flat out better and more athletic version Weitering.

If you have the first 6 picks of this draft, a club that just started from scratch would have a stronger core than half the teams in the AFL.

As well as Stephenson has played this year, I’d trade him for a top 5 pick in this draft without hesitation

Cheers mate , you are over it a lot more than me.

Try to listen to the Adelaide media as little as possible these days.

Given that Gold Coast have just lost Lynch and more than likely May , I hope they grab the King twins themselves and have a spine for the next 10 years.

and leave Lukosious and Rankine at 4 & 5.

The way clubs trade players and players break contracts these days , once/if these kids show they can make it , other clubs are in their ears ASAP.

Will wait to see how it all pans out.

 

[freowho]

The Pies will need to be very creative to get Beams, hmmm.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...n/news-story/4fd71d1e2ded0006a6d2cb26c8547885

According to the Herald Sun, it’s understood Collingwood won’t offer players in exchange for Beams, with their Pick 18 crucial to a deal that will need to be struck between the two clubs.

Collingwood currently hold Pick 18, 51, 56 and 57 — but will be keen on holding picks to accrue for points for academy prospect Isaac Quaynor and father-son Will Kelly.

It’s believed that despite their unwillingness to do a deal, the Lions would allow the star midfielder to leave if the Magpies proposed an appropriate deal.

I must have missed something with this Beams stuff. Didn't he give a passionate speech at the B and F about how he loved the group and wanted to stay? Hasn't the coach talked about how much Beams means to the group?
It also appeared to me at the time that both Collingwood and Brisbane went out of their way to make sure he could get to Brisbane in the first place to be with his sick father. I'm not usually a stickler for loyalty by players because I think clubs get rid of them pretty quickly but this one is really bothering me. Am I the only one who thinks Beams is being a bit ungrateful for what has been done for him in this situation?

 

[BigRuss]

I said it a few months back but I’ll say it again here, Rankine is by far the best teenager I have ever seen play footy. Ive been lucky enough to see him play a lot of footy over the last felw years and I can’t think of anyone that even comes close. Zero chance he doesn’t go to GC if the blues pass over him. Will put bums in seats for the next 15 years and lord knows they need it.

 

[Bermi]

I must have missed something with this Beams stuff. Didn't he give a passionate speech at the B and F about how he loved the group and wanted to stay? Hasn't the coach talked about how much Beams means to the group?
It also appeared to me at the time that both Collingwood and Brisbane went out of their way to make sure he could get to Brisbane in the first place to be with his sick father. I'm not usually a stickler for loyalty by players because I think clubs get rid of them pretty quickly but this one is really bothering me. Am I the only one who thinks Beams is being a bit ungrateful for what has been done for him in this situation?

Beams hasn't yet made a request for a trade. Maybe it's only the media trying to drum up sales.
Anyway, clubs have no loyalty to players, so I have no objections to players not being loyal to clubs.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...n/news-story/4fd71d1e2ded0006a6d2cb26c8547885

DESPITE Chris Fagan declaring he was “puzzled” by the talk about Dayne Beams’ future — the Lions star is poised to request a trade.

 

[Prochard]

Beams hasn't yet made a request for a trade. Maybe it's only the media trying to drum up sales.
Anyway, clubs have no loyalty to players, so I have no objections to players not being loyal to clubs.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...n/news-story/4fd71d1e2ded0006a6d2cb26c8547885

DESPITE Chris Fagan declaring he was “puzzled” by the talk about Dayne Beams’ future — the Lions star is poised to request a trade.

Would you consider Beams next year?

• Grundy clearly gives Beams more opportunities than Martin does with better ruckwork (3-5 points)
• Beams gets to play in twice as many wins (5 points?)
• Beams will no longer get tagged, ever (Think he was given hard attention 2-3 times last year which is what? 100 aggregate points/5 average?).
• Collingwood as a team is 1st in total disposals in the league with 399.2 a game, Brisbane is 11th at 372.5 a game. You'd expect Beams to at least get 1 extra disposal a game from that 26.7 for the team, equating to another 2-3 points

Theoretically Beams could be looking at up to a 18 point increase by just playing for Collingwood? 120 average mid?

But ofc Beams has durability issues, and his midfield time is not completely guaranteed, although I suspect he will be in our 1st rotation for sure.

 

[Bermi]

Would you consider Beams next year?

• Grundy clearly gives Beams more opportunities than Martin does with better ruckwork (3-5 points)
• Beams gets to play in twice as many wins (5 points?)
• Beams will no longer get tagged, ever (Think he was given hard attention 2-3 times last year which is what? 100 aggregate points/5 average?).
• Collingwood as a team is 1st in total disposals in the league with 399.2 a game, Brisbane is 11th at 372.5 a game. You'd expect Beams to at least get 1 extra disposal a game from that 26.7 for the team, equating to another 2-3 points

Theoretically Beams could be looking at up to a 18 point increase by just playing for Collingwood? 120 average mid?

But ofc Beams has durability issues, and his midfield time is not completely guaranteed, although I suspect he will be in our 1st rotation for sure.

I like your summation! My concern is, will he be sharing SC points with other good Pies Mids? I'm thinking at the Lions, he had less competition to share the SC pts with.
Beams is certaintly worth some thought, if he makes it to the Pies.

 

[Prochard]

I like your summation! My concern is, will he be sharing SC points with other good Pies Mids? I'm thinking at the Lions, he had less competition to share the SC pts with.
Beams is certaintly worth some thought, if he makes it to the Pies.

C: Sidebottom ~ Adams ~ Pendlebury
R: Grundy ~ Beams ~ Treloar
Int: Sier, Phillips

Is that the most stacked midfield in the last 10 years?!

But yes, like you said the main problem is his midfield minutes. I suspect Pendlebury, Sidebottom and Phillips will be rotated more on the wing, probably from high 80s to mid 70s.

Treloar, Adams will reduce to low 80s, Sier stay at mid 50s.
This allows for a low 80 TOG for Beams, and possibly a 75-25 midfield-forward split?

We may also see Pendles playing as HBF and Sidebottom HFF to help with transition with their elite footskills/delivery.

If we can afford to play Pendles as a playmaker down back, Sidebottom as a playmaker up forward, we literally have matchwinners all over the ground.

 

[Bermi]

RE: If we can afford to play Pendles as a playmaker down back, Sidebottom as a playmaker up forward, we literally have matchwinners all over the ground.

I like what Sidebottom is doing now, but Pendles is not as influential in the middle as before (he looks slower), so I really like if Pendles will play more half back.

RE: C: Sidebottom ~ Adams ~ Pendlebury
R: Grundy ~ Beams ~ Treloar
Int: Sier, Phillips

There has been talk in the media that the Pies want to play De Goey more in the mid as well, hmmm.

 

[Deeman1]

This looks like its been turned into the Collingwood appreciation thread .

All I can say is thank-goodness they did not win the Premiership

 

[Prochard]

RE: If we can afford to play Pendles as a playmaker down back, Sidebottom as a playmaker up forward, we literally have matchwinners all over the ground.

I like what Sidebottom is doing now, but Pendles is not as influential in the middle as before (he looks slower), so I really like if Pendles will play more half back.

RE: C: Sidebottom ~ Adams ~ Pendlebury
R: Grundy ~ Beams ~ Treloar
Int: Sier, Phillips

There has been talk in the media that the Pies want to play De Goey more in the mid as well, hmmm.

I'm expecting and hoping De Goey is parked deep inside the forward line and kick 50-65 goals in 2019.

Pendlebury at half back sounds good to me. Sidebottom can just play where-ever to be honest, but with Beams potentially in he will lose most if not all of his inside minutes.